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Pogba wasn't fully match fit for 90 minutes, simple.
How come he was fit to start a few days later?Pogba wasn't fully match fit for 90 minutes, simple.
Because he played some minutes against Spurs and more days training?How come he was fit to start a few days later?
You’ve not got enough to complain about lately, so you’re going back in time to complain about past games?Now ‘what ifs’ are of course inconclusive, but I haven’t been able to stop thinking about this.
Spurs are just above average and were there for the taking. We started that game with Pogba, Matic and Greenwood on the bench - and we dropped two points. Two points in the home stretch where every point is crucial. I can’t help but think that not going with our better football players may prove costly for us this season. From Ole’s comments around the match, it seems that he selected some players out of loyalty perhaps, and there just isn’t any room for that at this stage. James, McTominay and Fred have not started a league game since then, and we’ve won all of them comfortably. Was a huge mistake from Ole I think, much as I love him.
I just can't believe people who question this. Pogba's last start came in September. Ole said Pogba needs 30 minutes, then 60 minutes and then only he can play 90.Pogba wasn't fully match fit for 90 minutes, simple.
I'm starting to feel like a lot of younger posters are living in a bit of a dream world. They know football from Fifa or football manager and just expect players to be ready immediately and 100% perfect from day 1.I just can't believe people who question this. Pogba's last start came in September. Ole said Pogba needs 30 minutes, then 60 minutes and then only he can play 90.
He has played 90 mins in 1 game.
The same people were complaining about us playing Pogba in games earlier saying Ole injured him.
I agree, they played it perfectly.I'm starting to feel like a lot of younger posters are living in a bit of a dream world. They know football from Fifa or football manager and just expect players to be ready immediately and 100% perfect from day 1.
We'd played 2/3 warm up games and they clearly knew Pogba was not ready to play 90 minutes against a tricky Tottenham. I think the coaching staff have played it perfectly.
He doesn't suddenly become fit to start after playing about 20 minutes. Pogba had been training for weeks and played in the friendly games leading up to Tottenham. He put himself in a position where he simply couldn't be benched anymore.Because he played some minutes against Spurs and more days training?
Pogba had not played a competitive match Since christmas lets not forget. Why would Ole throw him straight into the spotlight? if we lost that match everybody would be blaming Pogba. It was a smart move to take the pressure away - now everybody thinks Pogba is amazing for changing the game. Great management.
You clearly have never played a proper football match in your life.He doesn't suddenly become fit to start after playing about 20 minutes. Pogba had been training for weeks and played in the friendly games leading up to Tottenham. He put himself in a position where he simply couldn't be benched anymore.
We played well against Palace. Fell asleep at the back and was let down my referee decision. Cahill should have been given a red for example.If we don't get top 4, it won't be because of this match, it will be the shit performances earlier in the season, like Palace at home.
Think the Pogba decision was fitness related. He had not started a game in 10 months.Felt like he gave Spurs a bit too much respect with the starting line up and felt he should have bought Pogba and Greenwood on at half-time but it's a minor annoyance rather than a title costing mistake.
Matic was also part of our good form going into the break, so that reasoning doesn't explain why Scott started over himBefore the game I thought Ole did the exact right thing, and afterwards my mind hasn't been changed.
I think it would've shown a complete disrespect to Fred and McTominay if Ole just got out from the Corona-break and was like... "lads - you're a big part of the reason why we're still in contention for the top-four with your form in february and march - but the bench is over there, Pogba's fit". The way Pogba then played when he came on was the perfect excuse Ole could get to then in the coming matches say "Pogba played a big role last game - now he deserves to start" - I think Fred and McTominay is much more at ease being benched to a player because of quality and not reputation - and had Pogba started vs. Spurs I think you could argue it would've been based on reputation, since he had missed the ten league games prior to the game and only had played 7 out of 29 league games in total. Other than that - maybe, just maybe - Ole was hesitant to chuck a player back who'd missed more or less the whole season to injuries and who hadn't played a game in six months.
Why are you comparing the situation to summer break? The summer break has enough pre season friendlies to allow players to get back their match fitness. In this situation we only had 2 friendlies but all happened in one day means each player probably only had 1 friendly to boost their fitness level.I really don't want to criticize Ole and it's not my intention with this post, but the logic fails in my eyes.
Yes Pogba was injured, but that goes out the window when there was a 3 month break. Players who were playing prior to the covid break should have no advantage over someone coming back. And the logic for this is simple. How long is the summer break? Surely it's at least half as short as the Covid break. And after a summer break, there is a preseason precisely because everyone needs to be caught up to speed.
So why is it that someone like Pogba should operate different in regards to fitness than say Fred? And why is it different from the usual pre season period? All were equally away from match fitness for longer than the usual summer break. If Summer is enough time to tear away at people's fitness, then a longer COVID break should do the same.
Because he had some minutes in Spurs game & the friendly against West Brom. And being start doesn't make the player fit to play 90 minutes. He only played full 90 minutes last weekend against Bournemouth.How come he was fit to start a few days later?
If you've made your decision already, why does this thread even exist then?Yes, I have made my decision. Or you have an issue that I have not changed my mind, because I have been instructed too by other posters? Go back to lurking mate. Why on earth should I change my view? Has it been ‘disproven’ or something?
Sheeesh happens. First game back. He made his choices with good reasons. Didn't work. Hasn't put a foot wrong since.Now ‘what ifs’ are of course inconclusive, but I haven’t been able to stop thinking about this.
Spurs are just above average and were there for the taking. We started that game with Pogba, Matic and Greenwood on the bench - and we dropped two points. Two points in the home stretch where every point is crucial. I can’t help but think that not going with our better football players may prove costly for us this season. From Ole’s comments around the match, it seems that he selected some players out of loyalty perhaps, and there just isn’t any room for that at this stage. James, McTominay and Fred have not started a league game since then, and we’ve won all of them comfortably. Was a huge mistake from Ole I think, much as I love him.