Which I'd be all for. If you are going to pass legislation because a breed is too dangerous for members of the public to own then there shouldn't be any leeway. There are many instances of dogs that have no history of attacking people who then go on to do so in an isolated incident. Fortunately in most of these cases the dog isn't a 60kg pitbull. Let's not forget that the guy who was mauled to death yesterday by 2 XL bullies wasn't attacked by dogs off their leash in public; the dogs jumped out of a window to attack the man and his 80 year old mum. Had this dog got the exemption then it would have happened anyway given the dogs weren't in public before they attacked so weren't leashed and muzzled.
Out of control dogs/dog attacks
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Sorry, I'd been reading several different articles and the only hard mention of mass euthanasia came from Kenneth Baker, the Home Secretary who introduced the original Dangerous Dogs Act, who has long since left government:
Even the bit you quoted contains so many potential pitfalls for the dogs though. Firstly, how readily will these certificates of exemption be granted by the authorities? Secondly, they're then completely at the mercy of their owners actually abiding by the muzzling requirements etc. Not to mention the many scumbag owners who wouldn't even dream of applying for the certificate in the first place who will have animals seized and probably killed. It might well be for the greater good, but I do find it heartbreaking that innocent animals will end up being killed over this. As usual though, I'm not exactly teeming with workable alternative ideas.
Yep, I'd originally written 'destroyed' rather than killed, but I dislike the term in that context for the reasons you stated.
Animal welfare is a weird one. You kind of have to put your emotions to one side and think about the bigger picture. Massive deer culls can have transformationally positive effects on wild land, where they cause devastating damage in the absence of natural predators. Basically once humans start fecking with nature we often end up in situations where the only way to reverse bad shit we’ve created is killing a lot of animals. Which seems grim if you love animals but it is what it is. This breed is a man made aberration that has been proven to be horribly dangerous. So we have to do our best to at least try to put the genie back in the bottle.
At the end of the day they are “just” dogs. And I say this as someone who owns a dog and loves him more than life itself (well, more than my wife anyway)
The majority of breeders at least some sort of connection or are directly involved with criminals. One of the biggest breeder networks for XLs is run by a guy from prison who headed up a county lines gang.
Will be interesting to see how much this affects the rates of dog attacks. Whilst any XL bully has the potential to be dangerous I’d wager that it’s far more likely to be dangerous in the hands of certain people and those certain people won’t give a damn about these new rules.
There needs to be serious reforms on dog ownership and breeding. We’re on our 11th foster dog now and ten of them have been in foster care because of thick cnuts who shouldn’t have been allowed a dog. Or because someone took on that one extra dog to do a friend a favour who suddenly decided it was a good idea to breed their dog and now can’t get rid of the puppies.
Banning these dogs won’t do much I feel but it’s a step in the right direction. Licenses to breed any dog is the next step.
There needs to be serious reforms on dog ownership and breeding. We’re on our 11th foster dog now and ten of them have been in foster care because of thick cnuts who shouldn’t have been allowed a dog. Or because someone took on that one extra dog to do a friend a favour who suddenly decided it was a good idea to breed their dog and now can’t get rid of the puppies.
Banning these dogs won’t do much I feel but it’s a step in the right direction. Licenses to breed any dog is the next step.
The UK‘s relationship with dogs has always been weird though. Way more so than other countries. I’m a dog person, grew up with dogs, both parents & in laws have dogs, but even I can see the slightly infantilised way people here treat dogs like their kids (or expect other people to see them as such) is slightly barmy. If a bunch of purpose bread big cats were mauling people on the street we’d have culled them on day 1& probably sold tickets.
Change the fecking laws, banning breeds isn't going to do shit. Case in point this breed popping up from nowhere, they'll eventually be another one.
9/10 it's the cnut who owns the dog that's the problem. Every owner should need a license and be vetted in some manner.
9/10 it's the cnut who owns the dog that's the problem. Every owner should need a license and be vetted in some manner.
It is quite barmy. I still think about that thread posted on here a few years ago titled "How to cope with losing a child" and the thread was about his dog dying naturally of old age.
That's why, very easy way to wash money.
Dogs that are bred to kill. Handguns would be more controllable.
Obviously, they should be banned.
Obviously, they should be banned.
Without really checking the news I thought this included the American Bulldog which is a lovely dog. The XL bullies I've struggled with myself. My friend has got a really nice one, but you can't help but be nervous around it due to the possibility of them switching quickly. Obviously all dogs are capable of that quick snap, but some more easily than others.
I don't care which side you're on when it comes to XL dogs, but this photo scares the feck out of me.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-66822717
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-66822717
Says it all when someone who is doing her very best to portray these dogs as completely harmless lets this slip…I don't care which side you're on when it comes to XL dogs, but this photo scares the feck out of me.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-66822717
How would a 60+kg try to “protect” someone, I wonder?
Yep, the owner says she doesn't see anything wrong but she clearly doesn't see much of anything. The bit about how the dog just licks the baby's face all of the time annoyed me. FFS, the first result on Google for this behaviour is from the American Kennel Club...
Therein lies the issue and with a lot of other dogs as well. You have centuries of breeding dogs for specific purposes and then in the relative recent past the sudden change to house pet and a life of minimal exercise and stimulation for most.
The ironic thing is the best dogs for pets are the cheapest and most common, people literally just buy dogs now for their looks and then wonder why their Weimaraner is ripping up the sofas because he’s not tired after a 30min walk in the park or why their collie nips kids’ heels.
Brilliant
It’s official @Mr Pigeon is scared of babiesI don't care which side you're on when it comes to XL dogs, but this photo scares the feck out of me.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-66822717
Ever notice how owners of these kinds of dogs always say “oh they’re sooo adorable and sweet” and then you look at them and they look like literal demons dredged up from the pits of hell.
A paedophobe.
Gun dogs like setters, pointers and weimaraners do need lots of exercise but they are about as safe as dogs get, have lovely personalities and get fat fecks like me off their arses for a couple of hours a day. Everyone should have a Gundog.
What is this personal space that you speak of?
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Irish Red and White Setter ….nice
They are lovely. We have love both of our lunatics.
If they’re anything like Irish red setters, they are indeed handsome but bonkers!
We have German Shorthaired Pointers ….lovable, nuts and require a lot of handling.
A bit less insane than Red Setters but only slightly. Lovely dogs who love you unconditionally.
Gundogs are in general gorgeous.
They are indeed lovely.
We treat our GSP’s like family, very much loved and they do as they like!
I actually find dogs incredibly annoying and want them to be properly regulated. Too many owners in parks like me act like they’re a completely safe and loving animal - they all need to be on leads and owners should be made to look after them properly. The amount of dogs of any breed that come and jump around my baby does my head in.
My setters love babies. They taste awesome.
To lick, not eat.
I would never let my dogs interact with kids/babies without parental permission
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Gun dogs are the best people.
When the ban comes in place, instead of putting all living Bullies down, why not make it mandatory to de-teeth all existing ones still in the country Whilst it may be seen as cruel and a tad extreme, it's still far more kinder than ending their lives abruptly.
The banning whilst an unfortunate necessity, it does not tackle the real deep rooted issues of like so many men who own these dogs doing so because of a real insecurity of their masculinity
The banning whilst an unfortunate necessity, it does not tackle the real deep rooted issues of like so many men who own these dogs doing so because of a real insecurity of their masculinity
One could kill many people easily, the other is a dogI don't care which side you're on when it comes to XL dogs, but this photo scares the feck out of me.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-66822717
Great taste. My favourite breed by far.
Are... Are you you eating dogs?
My name isn't Dr. Dogeater.Are... Are you you eating dogs?
That could be rectifiedMy name isn't Dr. Dogeater.
@Rado_N would never do that to me.
Most owners of these dogs are from chavvy council estates dressed worse than Ali G
I also agree, the dog looks hideous, just a muscle bound bulk of destruction waiting to destroy.
I’m a dog person so far as I’ve had dogs when I was younger, and wouldn’t mind another dog eventually in the future when I’m in a position I have the time too properly look after one. But I never got the deal with these XL bullies, horrid looking things.
I actually find children incredibly annoying and want them to be properly regulated. Too many owners in parks like me act like they’re completely safe and loving brats.They all need to be on leads and owners should be made to look after them properly. The amount of feral children of any breed that come and jump around my fox red lab does my head in.
Not least because he can’t!
Thought I was in the police thread for a minute.
Raising and maintaining disciplined dogs even in the most friendly breeds is well beyond the ability or care of most owners. Kind of a useless idea but what do we think of requiring say 30 hours of training and a certification before getting a license to own particular breeds? Forget how well it would be received - would it help reduce incidents?
Alternatively if you don't like preventive measures how about stronger punitive ones. More serious criminal and financial sentence for when it goes wrong.
Raising and maintaining disciplined dogs even in the most friendly breeds is well beyond the ability or care of most owners. Kind of a useless idea but what do we think of requiring say 30 hours of training and a certification before getting a license to own particular breeds? Forget how well it would be received - would it help reduce incidents?
Alternatively if you don't like preventive measures how about stronger punitive ones. More serious criminal and financial sentence for when it goes wrong.