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At least according to wikipedia, 27 dogs involved in 23 deaths since 2020 in the UK. 14-17 of those were American bullies/XL.
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Weirdly the only dog that has ever bitten me was a poodle. Horrible little thing that just snapped at me when I was talking to the owner.Never heard of someone being killed by a poodle attack though.
Pit bulls are already banned in the UK (doesn’t stop people mix breeding them or just outright ignoring the legislation and owning the pure breeds anyway)I'd ban pitbulls. They may be fairly low on aggression, but they have the second (?) strongest bite and their instinct is to aim for the face or throat and then lock on. That is an unfortunate combination. On top of this it's a highly popular breed, which increases the chance of it being bought by irresponsible owners. I'd probably ban rottweilers too.
This would probably lead to a much higher bite frequency from breeds like Huskies, German Shepards, Doberman plus some other less popular breeds. Owning these breeds should require a licence.
Death by Dachshund, wowI didn't see poodle, but there are some surprises on the list of breeds with a fatal attack on a human being in the US between 2005 and 2017. Chihuahua, Welsh Corgi, Schnauzer, Shiba Inu, Jack Russel terrier and Dachshund are all on the list
Poodles can be very territorial. My nan took one in yonks ago (it was ungroomed and she thought it was an old English sheepdog) and it was fiercely protective of her, and particularly her handbag. My dad once sat on the armchair she usually sat in and draped his arm over the side, not knowing her handbag was down there. Next thing he knew, the poodle was biting his arm.Weirdly the only dog that has ever bitten me was a poodle. Horrible little thing that just snapped at me when I was talking to the owner.
Pitbulls have been illegal to own in the UK for years now. There are currently 4 banned breeds in the UK - Pitbull Terrier (bred for bloodsports), Japanese Tosa (bred for bloodsports), Dogo Argentino (bred to hunt large animals) and the Fila Braziliero (also bred for hunting animals like boar and big cats).I'd ban pitbulls. They may be fairly low on aggression, but they have the second (?) strongest bite and their instinct is to aim for the face or throat and then lock on. That is an unfortunate combination. On top of this it's a highly popular breed, which increases the chance of it being bought by irresponsible owners. I'd probably ban rottweilers too.
This would probably lead to a much higher bite frequency from breeds like Huskies, German Shepards, Doberman plus some other less popular breeds. Owning these breeds should require a licence.
I wouldn't say they're too precise about causality. Yappy dog lunges at elderly person, who gets a fright, stumbles and falls. One skull fracture later we have another fatal dog attack statistic.I didn't see poodle, but there are some surprises on the list of breeds with a fatal attack on a human being in the US between 2005 and 2017. Chihuahua, Welsh Corgi, Schnauzer, Shiba Inu, Jack Russel terrier and Dachshund are all on the list
Pit bulls are already banned in the UK (doesn’t stop people mix breeding them or just outright ignoring the legislation and owning the pure breeds anyway)
My post may have been a bit US centric for this forumPitbulls have been illegal to own in the UK for years now.
I have never heard about this breed, but if it's very similar to the pitbull then I'd ban it too.XL Bullies are the same.
I have a staffy. He the best and kindest, most gentle dog I've ever met. I would still ban the breed because the front half of them is built like a tank.Staffys are another breed that I think should be banned.
Although that's horrendous, it's quite tame compared to a lot of the videos out there. I saw a vid of a pitbull attack where a whole guys face was ripped out and detached from his head (it was blurred out). I just can't be comfortable about being around those dogs after seeing something as gruesome as that.
Whether tame or not (I don't think it is), it shouldn't be happening full stop. Kids / toddlers shouldn't have to worry about a dog mauling them from playing outside.Although that's horrendous, it's quite tame compared to a lot of the videos out there. I saw a vid of a pitbull attack where a whole guys face was ripped out and detached from his head (it was blurred out). I just can't be comfortable about being around those dogs after seeing something as gruesome as that.
I disagree with the leash point, especially for some of the bigger ones. If a 60kg turns the owner isn't going to reel them in..they're going to be flat on their arse and the dog will go from leashed to unleashed in a matter of seconds. I think these breeds should all just be banned, and by banned I mean killed.Whether tame or not (I don't think it is), it shouldn't be happening full stop. Kids / toddlers shouldn't have to worry about a dog mauling them from playing outside.
My daughter is nearly a year old and loves the outdoors, but it's genuinely frightening that dogs are allowed to be off their leash and run up to people. They should be leashed or allowed to be unleashed in dog-only parks/areas.
I think a few laws and licenses need to be introduced where dogs are concerned, for owners and breeders.While we are at it can we look at some of these ‘breeders’ and how it seems to have been taken up as simply a side hobby with no proper research and/or training at hand? I’m not an expert but I’ve watched tiktok vids here and there and read one or two articles, and it seems like some breeds just shouldn’t even exist at all, whether for aggression or health reasons (see pugs for example) or otherwise.
This, sadly.It's one of those self-fulfilling things.
Breed naturally more aggressive and susceptible to lashing out.
Only nutters would want to buy a dog like that.
Nutters don't know how to train dog or don't care or even want the dog to be intimidating
Dog becomes more reckless and more attacks occur.
Repeat.
That's the fault of humans introducing cats to these habitats, not cats. They're just going to do what they do there.Behaving school for dogs should be mandatory for every owner, it would prevent thousands of attacks.
True: a lot of species had gone extinct in the Mediterranean and Atlantic islands because of cats. Specially birds who made their nest on ground level.
Definitely agree but also think there are multiple steps that need to be implemented, one of which is the banning of dangerous breeds, breeders needing a proper breeding licence, the other being making it illegal to have a dog off a leash outside of designated areas with at least a heavy fine being imposed.I disagree with the leash point, especially for some of the bigger ones. If a 60kg turns the owner isn't going to reel them in..they're going to be flat on their arse and the dog will go from leashed to unleashes in a matter of seconds. I think these breeds should all just be banned, and by banned I mean killed.
They've featured in the majority of more recent serious and/or fatal dog attacks in the UK. They aren't a recognised breed with the Kennel Club and the authorities have to first work out the genetic make-up of these dogs. Obviously it's Pitbull with something big to give them the musculature - my own guess would be a mastiff like the Dogue de Bordeaux (large pic below), which is also known as the French Mastiff. They are huge dogs with the typical mastiff head, like these XL Bullies.I have never heard about this breed, but if it's very similar to the pitbull then I'd ban it too.
That's just a worthless anecdote. I've petted a purring cheetah in South Africa, but I still don't think regular people should be allowed to own one.I was in a slider restaurant yesterday ordering at the counter & l felt something wet bump up against my hand. I turned around to see two of these dogs about 70 pounds each. One had bumped my hand with its nose. The owner didn't realize the dog had touched me & was effusive apologetic. I just wanted to know if I could pet them.
One minute later my face was covered with slobber & both were on their back letting me pet their bellies.
The majority of these dogs are babies & get a bad rap, but it's the cnut owners who don't get them trained properly or don't know how to properly handle large dogs that feck the whole breed over.
That’s just a worthless false equivalence.That's just a worthless anecdote. I've petted a purring cheetah in South Africa, but I still don't think regular people should be allowed to own one.
Yeah cheetahs kill far fewer people.That’s just a worthless false equivalence.
They wouldn't even crack the top ten in terms of bite force amongst dog breeds. They're around about the same as Labradors.I'd ban pitbulls. They may be fairly low on aggression, but they have the second (?) strongest bite and their instinct is to aim for the face or throat and then lock on. That is an unfortunate combination. On top of this it's a highly popular breed, which increases the chance of it being bought by irresponsible owners. I'd probably ban rottweilers too.
This would probably lead to a much higher bite frequency from breeds like Huskies, German Shepards, Doberman plus some other less popular breeds. Owning these breeds should require a licence.
I really wished I hadn't watched that. If I had been the mum, I would have been coming back out of the house with a knife rather than the pan or whatever she had. Awful.
Hardly surprising those trendy type of fierce dog breeds tend to attract the very type of owners who shouldn't own large powerful dogs.At least according to wikipedia, 27 dogs involved in 23 deaths since 2020 in the UK. 14-17 of those were American bullies/XL.
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What type of owner should own a large powerful dog? And why?Hardly surprising those trendy type of fierce dog breeds tend to attract the very type of owners who shouldn't own large powerful dogs.
This is the worst part. Most of these dogs will be perfectly good pets that are in the hands of good owners who love them and have trained them correctly. Yet because of a small section of fecking idiots who treat them like shit and train them to be overly aggressive as some sort of status symbol to make them look hard everyone else has to suffer and have their beloved innocent pets taken away from them to be destroyed, it’s fecking bullshit. Also the term “destroyed” has always bothered me as it makes it seem like you’re dealing with some inanimate object rather than a living breathing animal.https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2023/sep/15/american-xl-bully-dog-will-be-banned-says-sunak
Looks like the legislation to ban American XL Bullies will be in place by the end of the year. I'm in agreement that there's no reason for this breed to exist as a pet but to be honest the idea that dogs that haven't actually done anything wrong could be killed is sickening to me.
https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2023/sep/15/american-xl-bully-dog-will-be-banned-says-sunak
Looks like the legislation to ban American XL Bullies will be in place by the end of the year. I'm in agreement that there's no reason for this breed to exist as a pet but to be honest the idea that dogs that haven't actually done anything wrong could be killed is sickening to me.
Can’t see anything in that Guardian article about mass euthanasia of the dogs?This is the worst part. Most of these dogs will be perfectly good pets that are in the hands of good owners who love them and have trained them correctly. Yet because of a small section of fecking idiots who treat them like shit and train them to be overly aggressive as some sort of status symbol to make them look hard everyone else has to suffer and have their beloved innocent pets taken away from them to be destroyed, it’s fecking bullshit. Also the term “destroyed” has always bothered me as it makes it seem like you’re dealing with some inanimate object rather than a living breathing animal.
Seems fair enough?Owners of a banned breed that is not believed to be a danger to the public can receive a certificate of exemption that allows them to keep the dog under strict conditions, such as ensuring the animal is neutered, microchipped and always kept on a lead and muzzled when in public.
Breeding these dogs is a front for drug dealers half the time.While we are at it can we look at some of these ‘breeders’ and how it seems to have been taken up as simply a side hobby with no proper research and/or training at hand? I’m far from an expert but I’ve watched tiktok vids here and there and read one or two articles, and it seems like actual experts agree that some breeds just shouldn’t even exist at all, whether for aggression or health reasons (see pugs for example) or otherwise.
Seems to be profitable enough in its own right. Apparently each XL Bully is worth thousands.Breeding these dogs is a front for drug dealers half the time.
Fierce, large, powerful dogs? Yep, ban them please.Hardly surprising those trendy type of fierce dog breeds tend to attract the very type of owners who shouldn't own large powerful dogs.
well that’s a lot more palatable, I’d seen an earlier article where they suggested that once they became illegal they wouldn’t be able to be rehomed and ultimately would all have to be put down.Can’t see anything in that Guardian article about mass euthanasia of the dogs?
This bit is from the article
Seems fair enough?
We have an American Stafford. He is the most gentle and quietest dog I've ever met. My girlfriend had him since a puppy before I knew her but trained him very well.I have a staffy. He the best and kindest, most gentle dog I've ever met. I would still ban the breed because the front half of them is built like a tank.