Outgoing Players

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We've already been linked with a lot of players, but not yet seen any strong links of clubs trying to sign our players. So this thread is to compile news of who we've been reported as maybe selling and who to and for how much.

So far I've only seen the Sun mention a shortlist of outgoing players, of Schweinsteiger, Valencia (weird), and Januzaj. They also say maybe Memphis. I won't link to them as they're not a good source and no specified bidders. Anyone seen any other links? If so, post them here.
 
I read an excellent article by Daniel Taylor of the Guardian:

https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...an-gaal-manchester-united-players-near-mutiny

Somewhere in there, he mentions that one senior source at Old Trafford suggests "90% of the playing staff need to be moved on".

By all accounts, the board are under no delusions about the quality of the personnel in our squad.

They are fecking shite.

Getting rid of them will be difficult, as they are overpaid and teams that fit their level don't pay those sort of wages.

I only care about keeping DDG, Shaw, Martial and Rashford.

The rest can go. Particularly:

Rooney
Carrick
Damian
Rojo(!!)
Jones
Schewini
Schneiderlin (bland)
Fellaini
 
Haven't people been complaining about the small size of our squad all season?

We'll sell about four first team players at most. I'm guessing, and it isn't really based on much at all, players like Rojo, Fellaini, Young and maybe Mata. Some of the younger players will go out on loan (Pereira, Wilson) with some of them sold (McNair, Keane).
 
KingMinger22 said:
I read an excellent article by Daniel Taylor of the Guardian:

https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...an-gaal-manchester-united-players-near-mutiny

Somewhere in there, he mentions that one senior source at Old Trafford suggests "90% of the playing staff need to be moved on".

By all accounts, the board are under no delusions about the quality of the personnel in our squad.

They are fecking shite.

Getting rid of them will be difficult, as they are overpaid and teams that fit their level don't pay those sort of wages.

I only care about keeping DDG, Shaw, Martial and Rashford.

The rest can go. Particularly:

Rooney
Carrick
Damian
Rojo(!!)
Jones
Schewini
Schneiderlin (bland)
Fellaini
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Would keep these three as all have shown they can play at a very high level in the right system, I believe Jose can massively improve Darmian and Schneiderlin. Schweinsteiger's leadership will be invaluable if we move on Rooney/Carrick. Also, whether you like him or not there's no denying since LvG Fellaini has become a better player and once again this season (he took his time) he has been one of the better performers, he certainly plays for the shirt which is more than can be said of some others.
 
Sold

Fellaini
Young
Rojo
Jones
Valdes
Blackett
Keane
Carrick
Mata

Loaned

Pereira
Januzaj
Wilson
McNair
Riley
 
I don't think we'll sell that much. I'm excited to see how the players can perform under a top manager like Mourinho.

Only first team players I can see leaving are one of Rojo/Jones (probably Rojo for the homegrown quota), one of Carrick/Schweinsteiger (probably Carrick) and Young. Squad is small enough as it is.
 
AltiUn said:
Would keep these three as all have shown they can play at a very high level in the right system, I believe Jose can massively improve Darmian and Schneiderlin. Schweinsteiger's leadership will be invaluable if we move on Rooney/Carrick. Also, whether you like him or not there's no denying since LvG Fellaini has become a better player and once again this season (he took his time) he has been one of the better performers, he certainly plays for the shirt which is more than can be said of some others.
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Don't waste your time. If some people had their way they would sell about ten players and then complain half way into the season when we get injuries.
 
AltiUn said:
Would keep these three as all have shown they can play at a very high level in the right system, I believe Jose can massively improve Darmian and Schneiderlin. Schweinsteiger's leadership will be invaluable if we move on Rooney/Carrick. Also, whether you like him or not there's no denying since LvG Fellaini has become a better player and once again this season (he took his time) he has been one of the better performers, he certainly plays for the shirt which is more than can be said of some others.
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Perhaps, but Fellaini is one of the only players on the list that would raise a fee. Maybe £15m.

Raw said:
I don't think we'll sell that much. I'm excited to see how the players can perform under a top manager like Mourinho.

Only first team players I can see leaving are one of Rojo/Jones (probably Rojo for the homegrown quota), one of Carrick/Schweinsteiger (probably Carrick) and Young. Squad is small enough as it is.
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It is small. It is small, but also shit.

It's a bit of a conundrum. But I still want to see the back of a lot of these players.

It's frankly embarrassing the calibre of player that has been getting games at United the past three years.
 
There are never anywhere near as many rumors about players leaving us as there are about players joining us. Only ones that standout are when it is a DeGea or Ronaldo. Usually most of our outgoings are pretty low key because United selling Nani or OShea (not meant as a slam against either player) or most of the players we sell just is not great click bait.
 
prath92 said:
Sold

Fellaini
Young
Rojo
Jones
Valdes
Blackett
Keane
Carrick
Mata

Loaned

Pereira
Januzaj
Wilson
McNair
Riley
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Didn't Young take a pay cut to stay here? It would be cruel to sell him off after that.

If we don't buy a starting right winger, I'd retain Januzaj too.
 
I don't rate much of the side but it's far too small as it is to make drastic overhauls.
 
Selling will come down to what some players want to do for the benefit of their careers, too. Mourinho will tell some players they're not part of his plans and then it will be up to them to decide whether they want to move on, or just sit around praying for an injury crisis to get playing time.

Someone like Fellaini, for example, I think Mourinho wouldn't mind him as a fleetingly used sub when we're down a goal and are throwing everything at the opposition, but in terms of playing time outside of that, he'll just be an unused sub for all intents and purposes. It's probably in Fellaini's court to seek the move away under those circumstances.

Another player would be Mata, who, if we acquire all the attacking talent Mourinho will want, could see his playing time reduced to next to nothing, but if we've been unsuccessful in the market, Mata behind Ibrahimovic may well be an option.

Rojo is the type that I think get thrown straight out.
 
Rooney, Fellaini, Carrick, Jones, Romero, Lingard, Young, Rojo, McNair and probably BFS unless his fitness improves. All of those I don't think will be missed.

Still plenty of question marks elsewhere but not enough to give entirely without seeing what Mourinho can offer (e.g. Januzaj, Memphis).

That said, we probably can't bring enough quality in (in terms of numbers) to feasibly ship out so many this summer.
 
I'm thinking we'll sell Rojo, Fellaini, Mata depending on attacking signings, and possibly even Jones. Loan out the likes of Pereira, Januzaj, McNair and maybe Varela.
 
Personally I'd go with:

Fellaini - sell
Young - sell
Rojo - sell
Jones - backup
Valdes - sell
Blackett - sell
Keane - sell
Carrick - keep
Mata - keep
Pereira - loan
Januzaj - backup
Wilson - sell
McNair - sell
Memphis - keep (for now, I'd like to see what Mourinho can do)
Lingard - backup
Herrera - keep
Rooney - sell if possible
Schweinsteiger - keep
 
I hope we have a big clear out because that means Mourinho will be making a lot of signings and there will still be space for our most promising young players.

Jones, Rojo, McNair, Darmian, Herrera, Fellaini, Young, Mata, Carrick, Keane could all go and I wouldn't bat an eyelid.
 
This again.. If anything 20 months of a revolving door policy should have thought the fans something. This squad is small enough to make key signings but not bloated enough to be chucking people out. Not this summer, at least.
 
KikiDaKats said:
This again.. If anything 20 months of a revolving door policy should have thought the fans something. This squad is small enough to make key signings but not bloated enough to be chucking people out. Not this summer, at least.
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Correct. We can bring in quite a few players without too many outgoings and the outgoings might just be some of the youngsters going out on loan. This manager wants to win everything. He will have a first team squad he sticks to barring injuries, then he will also want players who he can use in the cups and EL that will still give him a chance of winning them.
 
Ones that have to go must surely be Jones, Fellaini, Rojo, Carrick, Valdes and I wouldn't mind if Mata left. Plus some fringe players like Blackett, Varela and Keane. I would give, preferably premier league team loans to McNair, Pereira and Wilson as I believe these three could do a job in the future.

That would leave us with De Gea (hopefully), Romero, Valencia, Darmian, Fosu Mensah, Smalling, Blind, Shaw, BoJack, Schneiderlin, Herrera, BFS, Rooney, Martial, Depay, Lingard, Rashford, Young, Januzaj and space for at least 4 or 5 new signings.
 
Mourinho has been quoted as saying he doesn't think a player is ready until he is 22. LVG has shown we have some great young talent and I want them to continue to play and develop but Mourinho is all about the win. We will see how it goes. I don't want to sacrifice their careers for titles. Young players coming up through the academy are important to any club. Especially one like us.
 
I've never thought that it's smart to sell and buy a shit-ton of players in the same transfer window. Some players haven't had a good season, but I think it's too early to give up on them. Herrera, Schneiderlin, Darmian and Memphis all deserve one more season, imo.

Fellaini and Jones should go. Rojo hasn't impressed me, but he'll probably stay because we have too few defenders. Young is another player who could leave, considering his age and number in the pecking-order. To be honest, I also don't think we need both Carrick and Schweinsteiger, but I like them both, so it would be hard to see one of them go even though none of them should start.

Varela, Pereira and Januzaj should be loaned out. Rashford, CBJ and Mensah should stay.

At the absolute worst, I can see 4-5 players leaving and 2-3 going out on a loan. But only if we sign 5-6 players, with most(if not all) of them being starting XI material.
 
JaffyJoe said:
Mourinho has been quoted as saying he doesn't think a player is ready until he is 22. LVG has shown we have some great young talent and I want them to continue to play and develop but Mourinho is all about the win. We will see how it goes. I don't want to sacrifice their careers for titles. Young players coming up through the academy are important to any club. Especially one like us.
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He played these under 22 players

Robben 20
Kalou 20 (57 apps)
Santon 18 (35 apps)
Balotelli 18 (71 apps)
Moratta 19 (18 apps)
Nacho 20 (16 apps)
Varane 18 (48 apps)
Zouma 19 (30 apps)

I think Oscar was 21 when he took over also
 
Attila said:
He played these under 22 players

Robben 20
Kalou 20 (57 apps)
Santon 18 (35 apps)
Balotelli 18 (71 apps)
Moratta 19 (18 apps)
Nacho 20 (16 apps)
Varane 18 (48 apps)
Zouma 19 (30 apps)

I think Oscar was 21 when he took over also
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Apps are fine, starts and long development? He has been at 5 Big European clubs in the last decade and you have given me 8 names. Half were signings, when i'm concerned with academy players. I'm talking about the development of young players through our academy. He was at Chelsea who have the best young players in country and none came through the academy under him.

His attitude towards youth is definitely something that fills me with dread because we have a lot of young academy talent. Let's see how he does. Fantastic manager i'm happy to have him but of course I have reservations.
 
Mata & Fellaini (the Moyes signings) definitely. I suspect Phil Jones may be moved on if we sign John Stones or Raphael Varane. I would personally let Memphis find his level in another country as he is clearly out his depth in the Premier League, but he may be given a second season. Schweinsteiger, Schneiderlin, Herrera & Lingard will need to up their again on a regular basis because this season has been hit & miss for them. Blind & Smalling wont be the CB partnership moving forward and rightly so, they have not done bad but do look vulnerable at times. Dont be surprised if JoMo turns Fosu Mensah into a midfield beast ala Michael Essien.
 
JaffyJoe said:
Apps are fine, starts and long development? He has been at 5 Big European clubs in the last decade and you have given me 8 names. Half were signings, when i'm concerned with academy players. I'm talking about the development of young players through our academy. He was at Chelsea who have the best young players in country and none came through the academy under him.

His attitude towards youth is definitely something that fills me with dread because we have a lot of young academy talent. Let's see how he does. Fantastic manager i'm happy to have him but of course I have reservations.
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"We won the first game of the new season [2010/11] 6-0" the former AC Milan coach writes in the Times. "But I was still summoned to Abramovich's house that night to receive a 'dressing down', as they say in England, for the performance."

Ancelotti goes onto discuss how the remainder of the season panned out and he added "In April, we played Manchester United in the Champions League quarter-finals, with the feeling that we would have to win to save our season.

"The night before the second leg, Abramovich addressed the players, telling them they had to win or there would be huge changes to the team.

"He told me individually that if we lost then I was not to bother coming back to work. I wasn't sure if he was serious. We lost and I did go back to work, though I felt like a dead man walking."
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Not hard to see why no coach at Chelsea is bringing through young players when Abramovich is putting that kind of pressure on the managers. Morratti wanted the CL to be won asap not for Mourinho to come and develop young players for him. Perez isn't a man who is going to give managers time either and wants trophies.
 
The main position where we seem to be over stocked with players that are all decent to good is the #8/AM position. Fellaini, Rooney, Herrera, Mata, Lingard, Januzaj and Periera are a lot of players who either play that role, or can, and none of them are top class.

Apart form that Jones should go. Every year he's our second choice CB and every year he does sod all.
 
amolbhatia50k said:
The main position where we seem to be over stocked with players that are all decent to good is the #8/AM position. Fellaini, Rooney, Herrera, Mata, Lingard, Januzaj and Periera are a lot of players who either play that role, or can, and none of them are top class.

Apart form that Jones should go. Every year he's our second choice CB and every year he does sod all.
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I think Januzaj and Pereira will be loaned out as they really haven't been near the squad. Fellaini might go as if we sign Zlatan not sure he is the kind of player he would shove up front and is not the sort of big guy he would have in a midfield. It is up to Mata what he wants to do, although he might give it a try. He gives kids a chance, but I think the kid might be Rashford. CBJ might need a loan if Shaw comes back. It depends if he keeps Rojo and he might feel he can use Darmian and Blind there. Not sure about TFM. Not sure about Young either, just because he has been useful, doesn't mean he will keep him.
 
Attila said:
Not hard to see why no coach at Chelsea is bringing through young players when Abramovich is putting that kind of pressure on the managers. Morratti wanted the CL to be won asap not for Mourinho to come and develop young players for him. Perez isn't a man who is going to give managers time either and wants trophies.
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No kidding... I had no idea it was that bad.
 
KingMinger22 said:
I read an excellent article by Daniel Taylor of the Guardian:

https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...an-gaal-manchester-united-players-near-mutiny

Somewhere in there, he mentions that one senior source at Old Trafford suggests "90% of the playing staff need to be moved on".

By all accounts, the board are under no delusions about the quality of the personnel in our squad.

They are fecking shite.

Getting rid of them will be difficult, as they are overpaid and teams that fit their level don't pay those sort of wages.

I only care about keeping DDG, Shaw, Martial and Rashford.

The rest can go. Particularly:

Rooney
Carrick
Damian
Rojo(!!)
Jones
Schewini
Schneiderlin (bland)
Fellaini
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This is surely a bit over the top, it is clear that Van Gaal ruled with an iron fist, and as such maybe suppressed a few of our players true ability.

I'd be more than willing to give Darmian, Depay, Schneiderlin, Herrera, etc the benefit of the doubt, and see what they can do under a new manager.

The one that worries me is Rooney in midfield, and I just hope Jose sees it for what it is and replaces him, after that Rojo, Fellaini, Lingard, (unless he wants to be a sub), Young, Jones, and maybe Schweinstegier can all go, Mata pains me a little but reckon he needs to go too.
 
C'est Moi Cantona said:
This is surely a bit over the top, it is clear that Van Gaal ruled with an iron fist, and as such maybe suppressed a few of our players true ability.

I'd be more than willing to give Darmian, Depay, Schneiderlin, Herrera, etc the benefit of the doubt, and see what they can do under a new manager.

The one that worries me is Rooney in midfield, and I just hope Jose sees it for what it is and replaces him, after that Rojo, Fellaini, Lingard, (unless he wants to be a sub), Young, Jones, and maybe Schweinstegier can all go, Mata pains me a little but reckon he needs to go too.
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I think some of the players had their confidence knocked. LvG only handled players in one way, you have to be able to deal with different personalities. Some of the players, like most people hate constant criticism. He seemed to pick on the faults, when there might have been plenty of good things they did in a game. Ok point out mistakes, then rebuild the confidence by praising something they did well. Jose also likes players to be able to think for themselves, but with LvG I suspect that it had to be within his rigid system. Where Jose might be more willing for players to take risks if it is needed. He definitely does not mind players shooting on sight. I do not think Rojo is his idea of a defender. I do not think BFS offers enough. Jones is always injured, usually through his own stupidity. Anyone can get injured, but his seem to be of his own making.
 
I'm happy to move the following;

Rojo: Not good enough at LB and I would rather rely on Blind, TFM and co to fill in at CB providing that we buy a new CB. I was hoping he'd be our new Heinze.

Carrick: Age has really caught up with him. Time to move on.

Young: Has his uses but he becoming really injury prone. Won't exactly miss him if he is not in the squad.

Fellaini: He should be the most experienced midfielder in the club bar Carrick and Bastian but after 3 years all I can say is he has a good chest control. Has his uses but, it's only because we play reaction football, cautious and concerned about the opponent. Honestly can't wait to see him shipped off. Reminded me of Moyes now LvG!

Jones: Had my money on him to surpass Smalling but just lack the tactical nous and intelligence to be a top CB. He may yet surprise us. Too injury prone. Maybe one more season.

Rooney: I think he is finished as a top player and I don't believe he should be considered as a key player and a midfielder. People often use Scholes, Gerrard, Lampard, Pirlo et al as an excuse to bring him deeper but forget that the above names were actual midfielder, the creme de la creme of midfielders before they moved back. Would we suffer if he is moved on for big money to China, I think not!

Valencia: Another opinion divider. I'm not a big fan and I hope that Darmian and Varela can push on next season. Failed WG, never a RB but a steady player nonetheless. Too limited, and not tactically brilliant. Seems to be getting injured more and more for long periods. Another injury at his age, for a player reliant on his ability would be a catastrophe. 50/50.

These players are past their best IMO, and a becoming more injury prone, Rojo has not been good enough and Jones has a long way yet. If all of them were out for a season, I doubt we would look back and think we missed them. The other options in their respective position have have their best years ahead of them in Rojo - Shaw, Blind, Riley; Carrick and Fellaini - Herrera, Schneiderlin, TFM; Young - Martial, Memphis, Lingard, Mata, Januzaj; Jones - Smalling, Blind, TFM; Rooney - Everyone bar DDG and the back 4; Valencia - Darmian, Varela, Riley.
 
Seems strange that the only player linked with a club is De Gea to Real Madrid. Are the rest so shite that no club is bidding? Surely they know they have an opportunity to bid on many of our squad.
 
We couldn't even register 25 over-age players. There really isn't any need for any senior players to depart, I think Memphis moves up to the over 21 bracket and Will Keane was the other one registered in Jan that will probably leave the club. Also Carrick looks certain to depart on a free transfer making the 20 down to 19, not to mention DDG, Romero, Johnstone and Valdez all registered last year and only DDG and Romero used so essentially that 19 that we registered was really 17.

I can't really see Mourinho "getting rid" of any player and they all really fit in for next season because I don't see him buying more than 6 players.
 
I think it's important to not be too rash with the younger players. I'd rather loan Jones and McNair - last chance for them to prove fitness and performance respectively. Januzaj, I have major doubts over his mentality but I think if he is going to make it here he needs a season away, playing week in week out. Still have high hopes for Pereira and Wilson but they need loans too.
 
Yea, lets jettison half the squad in one summer, sounds a solid plan, what could go wrong.
 
Axing too many at once, regardless of quality could be a mistake - it definitely hurt LvG when the injuries hit. This will probably be more evident as we're in the Europa League from the start. Regardless, these are the players we should phase out over the next two years:

This Summer:
Out: McNair, Young, Fellaini, Rojo, Powell, Valdes
Loan: Januzaj, Pereira, Wilson, Keane, Blackett

I think Carrick will be offered a one-year extension, which he might take considering having Jose gives us a great chance at another trophy. Phil Jones is someone I'd probably try to sell now really, but expect him to be given this season to try and prove he can stay fit. Darmian, Schweinsteiger, Schneiderlin, and Memphis all have something to prove and should get another season or two to do so. I know Rojo is in the same boat but nah, just feck him off.
 
OohAahMartial said:
If Carrick doesn't get/want a one year contract, where would he go?
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Experience on the bench for Leicester? Finish back at West Ham? If he wants to end at a team in Europe, those are his choices along with an extra year here.

Otherwise, he's looking at lower table sides like Sunderland, West Brom, maybe help out one of the promoted sides.
 
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