Pau Torres

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Really? Just looked at his acceleration and pace on fm2020 and fifa and hes average at best. Nowhere near the acceleration and pace of upamencano.
If you use your eyes, you'd see how easy Upamecano was beat for pace on the turn in our first game against RB.
 
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That seems reasonable to me, you mean to say he's faster or slower?
Well with FM, 15 is fast, anything over 16 is rapid, like Rashford has 17, James has 18 on last years game (don’t own this year) So Lindelof being 14 suggests he’s pretty damn nippy, which he’s not.

I assume they’ve downgraded his pace this year.
 

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14 is quite quick
Well with FM, 15 is fast, anything over 16 is rapid, like Rashford has 17, James has 18 on last years game (don’t own this year) So Lindelof being 14 suggests he’s pretty damn nippy, which he’s not.

I assume they’ve downgraded his pace this year.
Yeah that's fair. I haven't played after FM '12 or so but he's not really a slouch in real life, here's some top speeds from an old link:
  1. Diogo Dalot - 36.43
  2. Romelu Lukaku - 36.25
  3. Tahith Chong - 36
  4. Marcus Rashford - 35.71
  5. Daniel James - 35.53
  6. Chris Smalling - 35.28
  7. Ashley Young - 34.85
  8. Jesse Lingard - 34.38
  9. Anthony Martial - 34.24
  10. Phil Jones - 34.09
  11. Mason Greenwood - 34.02
  12. Aaron Wan-Bissaka - 33.91
  13. Victor Lindelof - 33.62
Acceleration, Agility, Balance etc. matter as well?
 
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I'd say it's about right. Downgrade by 1/2 sure but it's certainly in the right area. He's by no means slow.

He didn't keep pace stride for stride with Mbappe in the PSG game but he wasn't far behind him.
I think 12 would be fair. 14 is the same as some pretty quick wingers, seems way too fast for him. I may be wrong but I think Pulisic is 14 pace, and he’s obviously far quicker than Lindelof.
 

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I think 12 would be fair. 14 is the same as some pretty quick wingers, seems way too fast for him. I may be wrong but I think Pulisic is 14 pace, and he’s obviously far quicker than Lindelof.
Pulisic is 15 pace and 17 acceleration 19 agility. Lindelof is 13 acceleration and 14 pace with 15 agility.
 

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Yeah that's fair. I haven't played after FM '12 or so but he's not really a slouch in real life, here's some top speeds from an old link:
  1. Diogo Dalot - 36.43
  2. Romelu Lukaku - 36.25
  3. Tahith Chong - 36
  4. Marcus Rashford - 35.71
  5. Daniel James - 35.53
  6. Chris Smalling - 35.28
  7. Ashley Young - 34.85
  8. Jesse Lingard - 34.38
  9. Anthony Martial - 34.24
  10. Phil Jones - 34.09
  11. Mason Greenwood - 34.02
  12. Aaron Wan-Bissaka - 33.91
  13. Victor Lindelof - 33.62
Acceleration, Agility, Balance etc. matter as well?
To be honest out of all those the one that does the most with it is Greenwood
 

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Tough he s far from perfect , I prefer Torres to Upamecano, though Upamecano might have a higher ceiling, if he stays fit that is.
 

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Tough he s far from perfect , I prefer Torres to Upamecano, though Upamecano might have a higher ceiling, if he stays fit that is.
Of all of them Koulibaly is the one I'd get if I had upwards of 70m as budget for CB. Amazed he's stayed at Napoli so long especially as they're more europa standard these days.
 

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Outright pace isn’t massively important as a centre back. Awareness and acceleration are far more important. Maguire obviously isn’t the quickest, but his main issue is how unathletic he is, he seems to lack any kind of explosiveness.
 

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Will go to City next summer after Ake and Dias fail to stop them having a weak defense. He'll be more of the same, looking fancy enough on the ball but not the best defender. And the next summer they'll sign another CB
You were quite confident on Dias not improving them before the season. Dont blame you. Did not see him and Stones working out this well myself.

I think what is interesting is that both Dias and Stones are less aggressive than Laporte. More laidback. And it shows if you look at their stats. We can often be led to believe that the quality of a defender is down to the amount of tackles, interceptions and aerials won. I think Dias and Stones show that it is not always the case.

We still dont have all the metric to measure the quality of a defender. Pau Torres, like Stones and Dias, looks like a passive defender, but he is very highly rated in Spain.

I know we dont always agree (you probably dont remember), and I’m sorry if I have gone a bit over the top in our discussions in the past. However, the both of us are interested in statistics and it would be interesting to hear your opinion on it.
 
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