It definitely doesn't help considering the amount of times I see him criticised for this or that and it turns out to be completely untrue.
Happens on here too.
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Happens on here too.
Yeah, you do see that a lot in fact. People are like sponges to things that suit their current mind set.
If we can make something work with pogba and Bruno in midfield, and walk our way through the rest of the season because of it, I think pogba may want to see what we’re capable of next year. We can win trophies still and keep a strong unbeaten run. In the summer, A more deadly RW and other positive signings would make us a very, very good team that can compete for everything next year. I’d say get another striker to give depth and give martial/rashford competition. It’s nice that they can shift to LW also if needed.
He's desperate to get fit for the Euros.
I imagine he is. As is Harry Kane and Marcus Rashford.
I meant that I suspect he’s recovered and fit to play but both he and the club know he’s leaving and he’s not playing for us again. It’s not that crazy really ....
How I'd love that to be true, and the club just teases Raiola by having him on the bench a few times, sending him out to warm up, but never bring him on.
Not sure what he'd bring that is so special. He is creative, but not a winger or forward. He takes up mostly the same positions as Bruno, and he doesn't put up the numbers Bruno does. He hasn't got the defensive nous of Matic, doesn't put himself about as well as McTominay and can't run as much as Fred. Not tenacious either. He isn't particularly good at facing pressure from opponents and isn't himself great at pressing, which is a requirement from everyone in the team not just the midfielders. Maybe against some European teams and bottom clubs we could afford to play a bonus player similar to how we've used Mata recently. Not sure it's worth to try and work out how he fits in if he wants to leave either way. Could possibly just be a waste of time and effort with no return of the trust given.
Pogba and his agent would earn more from a new contract if we do not get top 4. I don't like it, because we know how his agent works. Wouldn't be unlike the situation that happened with De Gea. Not sure we should make the same mistake twice or even take the risk of playing a questionable player. Money shouldn't be the main motivator for a player to get or stay in this team. Good performances and trophies should.
Pogba and his agent would earn more from a new contract if we do not get top 4. I don't like it, because we know how his agent works. Wouldn't be unlike the situation that happened with De Gea. Not sure we should make the same mistake twice or even take the risk of playing a questionable player. Money shouldn't be the main motivator for a player to get or stay in this team. Good performances and trophies should.
There won't be any Euros.
The team are playing well at the moment he has to earn his way back into the team, so stick him on the bench and let him work his way up.
Considering the game minutes that he has put in this season, let alone (assist + goal ) / game minute that you can find on him, divide by weekly wages. Only Lingard and Periera are worse.
Or he could be really injured...
You're a millionaire because of your feet, why would you risk that?
He could be but I really hope he never wears our jersey again. How would not playing this side of a transfer risk his millions?
Because ignoring injuries, particularly ankle injuries can be permanent damage.
It's not like the old days where players just play without specialist advices and ended up retiring early..
From Pogba's camp, he got specialist advice to do a surgery, he took that advice. Proper papers are provided to United to convince them this injury lay off. Can you blame him?
Maybe if you have issues with Pogba.
He appears to have a pathological hatred of him. How sad.
The opinions this guy gets are unreal, guess it comes with the territory of being a superstar.
I don't know what people think footballers do all day but most of them have lives outside of the football pitch. It's starting to feel like Paul can't go to the cinema without being criticised for lack of ambition. I have no problems with these guys actually having a life outside of their busy schedule of being millionaire footballers. And even when he's injured people are moaning about him going to an NBA game, whats he supposed to do? Sit at home all day playing video games? Footballers tend to use the time when injured to travel home or just travel in that case. As long as they are actually doing the work needed of them their location is irrelevant.
And if we're going there, where's the line? Just to take two examples : Ronaldo and Messi are two of the busiest footballers in the commercial aspect. Does that mean they lack ambition? Or that their priorities are wrong?
It's the scapegoat effect. And unfortunately for Paul he cannot shower in the morning without being singled out for putting himself before the team. All this talk about him faking his injury is probably the biggest beep i've heard. Does anyone think he had two surgeries for the fun of it? Some injuries just take longer to heal for whatever reason. Really unfair to compare it to Gomes's miraculous recovery because people are different, injuries are different.
Now I have never been in the team locker room or at the training centre but from almost everyone involved with the day to day operations it's always talked about Paul having a great work ethic and being a popular guy in the dressing room. Mourinho being the odd one out.
My opinion on the player himself is that this guy is still our most talented player. Hasn't worked out as good as we had hoped but still when playing he's usually the one creating chances. You could argue that he is a luxury player that we cannot accommodate because lets face it we haven't had any real quality around him. He's been asked to carry our midfield and at the same time be our main creative outlet.
And then theres the criticism for maybe wanting out. I'll admit I believe that he wants out and I find it totally understandable. Just like I thought a couple of season ago that it was kind of unfair on De Gea to "waste" his career on us. You just have to change over to the Harry Kane thread where people are saying he lacks ambition for staying at Spurs and that he's wasting his career. How is this different? Is it okay to "wast your career" just because you're playing for one of the giants of football? Because the last what is it 9? years we haven't been close to mounting a league challenge and have been mostly out of the CL.
Glory comes from winning things and at the end of the day that's the most important thing. Well that and earning a sh*tload of money of course.
I'm exited to see how he fits into the way the team has been playing since Bruno's arrival. And to be honest I wouldn't cry loosing him in the summer, guess that's the Bruno effect. There's light at the end of the tunnel for us with or without Paul and I am truly starting to see this team shape into something I can believe in again.
Rant over.
I don't know what people think footballers do all day but most of them have lives outside of the football pitch. It's starting to feel like Paul can't go to the cinema without being criticised for lack of ambition. I have no problems with these guys actually having a life outside of their busy schedule of being millionaire footballers. And even when he's injured people are moaning about him going to an NBA game, whats he supposed to do? Sit at home all day playing video games? Footballers tend to use the time when injured to travel home or just travel in that case. As long as they are actually doing the work needed of them their location is irrelevant.
And if we're going there, where's the line? Just to take two examples : Ronaldo and Messi are two of the busiest footballers in the commercial aspect. Does that mean they lack ambition? Or that their priorities are wrong?
It's the scapegoat effect. And unfortunately for Paul he cannot shower in the morning without being singled out for putting himself before the team. All this talk about him faking his injury is probably the biggest beep i've heard. Does anyone think he had two surgeries for the fun of it? Some injuries just take longer to heal for whatever reason. Really unfair to compare it to Gomes's miraculous recovery because people are different, injuries are different.
Now I have never been in the team locker room or at the training centre but from almost everyone involved with the day to day operations it's always talked about Paul having a great work ethic and being a popular guy in the dressing room. Mourinho being the odd one out.
My opinion on the player himself is that this guy is still our most talented player. Hasn't worked out as good as we had hoped but still when playing he's usually the one creating chances. You could argue that he is a luxury player that we cannot accommodate because lets face it we haven't had any real quality around him. He's been asked to carry our midfield and at the same time be our main creative outlet.
And then theres the criticism for maybe wanting out. I'll admit I believe that he wants out and I find it totally understandable. Just like I thought a couple of season ago that it was kind of unfair on De Gea to "waste" his career on us. You just have to change over to the Harry Kane thread where people are saying he lacks ambition for staying at Spurs and that he's wasting his career. How is this different? Is it okay to "wast your career" just because you're playing for one of the giants of football? Because the last what is it 9? years we haven't been close to mounting a league challenge and have been mostly out of the CL.
Glory comes from winning things and at the end of the day that's the most important thing. Well that and earning a sh*tload of money of course.
I'm exited to see how he fits into the way the team has been playing since Bruno's arrival. And to be honest I wouldn't cry loosing him in the summer, guess that's the Bruno effect. There's light at the end of the tunnel for us with or without Paul and I am truly starting to see this team shape into something I can believe in again.
Rant over.
I've got no doubt he's off in the summer and I think it's best for everyone. I'm tired of the circus around him, it's not all his fault but it's just exhausting and I'd rather just put it behind us.
However if he comes back and manages to stay fit for the last 2 months of the season it'd be a huge boost for us so this is great news for Utd. He must be close to a return.
However if he comes back and manages to stay fit for the last 2 months of the season it'd be a huge boost for us so this is great news for Utd. He must be close to a return.
The positive thing now is that we dont rely on him as much as before
You are way too logical.
Ehm what? While the rest of your post is sensible, it should be disregarded on the basis of this statement. Pogba is probably the most press resistant player in the league, on par with some City players who are also near the top.
It sounds like people have forgotten how good Pogba really is. He would start as soon as he is back fit.
Having him and Bruno creating in the same team would be amazing, and teams would massively struggle against us.
I predict he will step up for us as towards the end of the season.
Having him and Bruno creating in the same team would be amazing, and teams would massively struggle against us.
I predict he will step up for us as towards the end of the season.
As you’ve said, in every position he actually lacks something the team needs. He is a luxury player. He shouldn’t get a new contract, that money could be far better spent and team harmony has never been better post Sir Alex than with him out of the country.
I‘m guessing that’s not for lack of taste or interest. I’d be surprised if footballers were allowed to drive any sports/super cars other than modern ones with all the latest safety features.A footballer with a classic Ferrari, give over
Back in topic, I would love to see Pogba back for Spurs with a giant hammer in his hands and ambition to nail a few info Mourinho’s coffin.
I don't think people imagining him on the bench at first has anything to do with not rating anymore (for me at least). It's just that the balance is right at the moment and Pogba wouldn't guarantee us to bring a significant level of improvement in comparison to who he'd replace in the team.
I think it's sensible to not wanna see something that's actually working get possibly disrupted.
the whole post is nonsense. in addition to his press resistance his ball winning and defensive work is excellent (most ball recoveries in Europe before his injury and not even a DM) while possessing some of the best creative stats in the league from deeper at the same time, (3rd in accurate through balls in PL as recently as Feb 11) just a staggering gulf in class between him and our other options. played at number 10 last season for 2 months and was by far the best player in the league
a "bonus player"
He's milked this injury all season to avoid playing. He'll use us to get fit for the Euros. Hopefully he has an amazing tournament and we can move him on for £120m afterwards.
At times a truly amazing player, but his attitude stinks and he clearly doesn't want to be here. Show him the door to Madrid.
At times a truly amazing player, but his attitude stinks and he clearly doesn't want to be here. Show him the door to Madrid.
I'm not sure some people do to be honest.
They're either very bias and ignore every good quality he has to suit their agenda, or they just don't know what they're talking about.
I think some sided with Jose in their falling out and can't find it in themselves to move passed it. He's now a villain in their eyes which is frankly bonkers. The fact that some people STILL think he is faking an injury is ludicrous, if there's one thing Pogba loves doing it's playing football. He's played through a lot worse periods for this club, why when we're playing well would he not want to?.
Fully agreed. Also all of this "circus" talk is so overblown, the majority of this "circus" is our fans either a) complaining about a circus and b) bending all forms of logic to create reasons why he hates the club. For all this self righteous "back the manager at all costs" mentality, our fans sure are bad at backing our players.
The guy is a superstar. Every move he makes generates news articles and endless discussion. Very Man United like to be honest. I hope he stays and signs a new contract. World Class player on his day.
The circus around him started with our fans blaming him for every dropped point before it ever even looked like he wanted to leave.
And let's be honest Pogba has won us a million times more games than he has cost us.
...You know this how? Are you on the medical team?
As you say, this imaginary circus is in their heads. They read articles by the mirror and the sun every day making up random crap about him and they eat it up. Perhaps if they just stopped looking for it they wouldnt get so bothered by it.
They call him a virus in the dressing room, but nearly EVERY video you see of him around our squad they're happy and having fun. Look at how quickly he helped Ighalo settle etc.
Not to mention news saying he stayed back for extra session to get back...
His instagram posts working hard...
But yet, people seems to care more about his commercial stuff, and then said he is wack.
Mourinho's comments carried a heavy impact last season. Funny how every manager he's had have only good things to say about him except the toxic one. I know who the true virus was.
They'll just say "oh it's his job to get fit" or ignore it all together. Which is very contradictory as they say he won't ever play again
I think there's a bit of balance between the 2 sides here. If Raiola just kept his mouth shut and kept their issues private we wouldn't have half of this nonsense going on.
IF he wants to leave this summer then fine, I'll miss him but we've proven we can continue on without him - I was fearing the worst when he first got injured.
IF he's happy to stay, wants to sign a new contract and help us push on to the CL and challenge for the league regularly, fantastic.
Well who can blame him?They'll just say "oh it's his job to get fit" or ignore it all together. Which is very contradictory as they say he won't ever play again
I think there's a bit of balance between the 2 sides here. If Raiola just kept his mouth shut and kept their issues private we wouldn't have half of this nonsense going on.
IF he wants to leave this summer then fine, I'll miss him but we've proven we can continue on without him - I was fearing the worst when he first got injured.
IF he's happy to stay, wants to sign a new contract and help us push on to the CL and challenge for the league regularly, fantastic.
Apart from the mindless social media comments, the media played their part too.
Pogba will always be in an "agenda".
We'll see.Should be fit by June 2021
It's not that crazy to assume he's fit and the club is happy for him not to play?
We're talking about a manager who rushed him back to play against Rotherham in the cup and put him straight back in the squad in December.
Was this all part of the conspiracy to make it look like he had aggravated the injury?
It's tinfoil hat stuff.
Incidentally, to all the people who are saying he's not all that he stood out as our best player by a country mile in that half against Newcastle.
100% successful take-ons
91% pass accuracy
5/6 long balls
4 ball recoveries
3 shots (2 on target)
3 tackles won
2 key passes
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I'm convinced that Pogba will stay & sign a new contract if we get Champions League. He wasn't motivated when it looked like we weren't getting CL.
I'm also quite sure that if we get CL football then we get Sancho.
If we don't get CL then Pogba will leave, we won't get Sancho and we will get Grealish.
I'm also quite sure that if we get CL football then we get Sancho.
If we don't get CL then Pogba will leave, we won't get Sancho and we will get Grealish.