We won’t give Pogba a new contract, sign Sancho for 70m plus and Mbappe for over 130m plus.
Paul Pogba / turned down United offer of 300k as “nothing”
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Ruben Neves isn't a better player, but I think we look more balanced with a midfield three of Neves (as a 6) -- VDB (8) -- Fernandes (10) than Fred (6) -- Pogba (8) -- Fernandes (10).
I know. I mean Pogba would go to PSG.
We've really backed ourselves into a corner with this one. Losing him on a free would be absolutely awful. And I can definitely see him waiting it out to join Madrid or PsG next summer. If we can sell him now then great but we have a very weak hand on this one. Besides it's no good selling and signing our usual workhorses for the midfield. We need genuine quality on the ball and sadly we are not being linked with anyone of that ilk.
Balance is important but so is quality. We are never going to win major honours with midfielders of the standard of Fred, Mctominay, VDB and Neves. If we're selling Pogba we really need to add someone properly gifted on the ball.
Also VDB is laughably bad and has to prove himself to be good enough for us let alone a qualiry player for us
United have won the PL title with far worse midfields than Fred and McTominay. You've been a member on here since 2002, surely you remember the midfield partnerships that contributed to Sir Alex's final PL title ?
Not only that, but other teams have won the PL title in recent years with central midfields that were short on technical quality.
The evidence of the Pogba era is that technical quality in central midfield is rarely the decisive factor in the PL.
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TBF we've been linked to Goretzka and Camavinga who are both very good on the ball. I also doubt we have a proper chance at either though.
Sir Alex was the greatest manager in the history of the sport.
And no other PL team that has won the title has had a midfield of the Fred Mctominay level. City - brilliant in midfield. Liverpool - Fabinho, Henderson and Wijnaldum at their best also on another to McFred. Chelsea - the likes of Matic, Kante and Cesc at their best. Leicester had Kante who is basically as good as McFred combined but they're an anomaly as their competition was Spurs
I don't think you can win big trophies now with those CMs you listed. Sir Alex's genius and Klopp's tactics are unique factors we aren't lucky enough to have anytime soon. So we need quality.
Would love Camavinga but he's still a kid and not sure he wants to come. Goretzka don't know enough about tbh. Always thought he was more brute force and engine but may be wrong. Ideally we should replace Pogba with a playmaker.
I yearn for the days we play with a controller in CM. Like Kroos or how scholes was. Not too many of them about. Personally wouldn't mind Tielelmans.
I always thought Pogba was better than the bunch we had around when he signed but it breaks my heart that he wants to leave when things are finally happening at United and Ole is trying to build a formidable line-up. Pogba is a flair player who likes to create chances and play up front, much like Bruno. I don't understand why Bruno goes directly at the top as soon as he was signed and Pogba never played in that position, he wasn't even tried there. According to me, he would've done well in Bruno's position. Regardless I still think he could've done a lot more than he did in the last few years especially after Jose left but injuries and position mix up cost him a lot. I love Pogba for his skills and the way he reads the game but I also think it is best to sell a player who's heart is not here. Don't throw money at his face, just send him and buy someone who will love the club and work hard every game. Now, even if he stayed we would struggle to find a good position for him; unless we get a DM as good as Pirlo or Kante which sadly is doubtful. Declan Rice is the best there is, in the PL and he's our only hope of solving the midfield problem or we'll have to wait another year to sort the issues before we can really challenge for the title.
Hey Glazers, buying Sancho is not enough! We need more reinforcement in midfield. Buy Rice, I'm sure you have the cash. Stop taking dividends and loans.
Hey Glazers, buying Sancho is not enough! We need more reinforcement in midfield. Buy Rice, I'm sure you have the cash. Stop taking dividends and loans.
He did played the highest position in a midfield 3 with Matic and Herrera. A free roaming attacking midfield or whatever you'd call that. He did really good there for a while until teams start to isolate, press and go strongly on him. His tendency of unnecessary dwelling on the ball and relying on his strength to keep the ball under pressure simply didn't work there anymore, he started to suck big time. He's not good in tight space with basically no time allowed, he doesn't have a quick feet and imo not much of a quick mind either. He usually receives the ball, take a few touches while thinking about what's next. Truth is he needs quite of space and time to play. He was so bad back then that Ole had to move him deeper and the rest is history.
Looking at for example the super quick flicks Bruno usually does you'd understand why Ole put him on top the day he came.
So we have him his first professional contract and then he walked away for free.
We then brought him back for a world record fee and he’s about to walk away for free again.
You would’ve hoped that he’d show some loyalty to the club, but it seems it’s not going to happen. Sell him ASAP to redeem a fee for him and let him be on his way. He’s shown glimpses of brilliance but hasn’t justified a world record fee at all
We then brought him back for a world record fee and he’s about to walk away for free again.
You would’ve hoped that he’d show some loyalty to the club, but it seems it’s not going to happen. Sell him ASAP to redeem a fee for him and let him be on his way. He’s shown glimpses of brilliance but hasn’t justified a world record fee at all
Part of me wants to keep him (just to see a run at the title with Pogba, Fernandez and Cavani)
but realistically, it's not good to have a player whose planning to run down his contract, you have to wonder if he'll put the whole effort in, and if Van de Beek gets next to nil game time again, we risk losing them both.
but realistically, it's not good to have a player whose planning to run down his contract, you have to wonder if he'll put the whole effort in, and if Van de Beek gets next to nil game time again, we risk losing them both.
He ain't going anywhere. He will sign a new deal to become our highest earner and will lead us to next seasons title alongside his fellow countryman varane, who will be our most influential defender next season.
Quote me if you like.
Quote me if you like.
If he's made it obvious to the club for the final two years of his contract that he'd quite like to leave (which by all indications he has), it's not his fault if the club refuses to actually sell him. What's he supposed to do, keep signing new contracts despite wanting to go elsewhere? He seems to have put it in the clubs hands, and we're the ones deciding to keep him and hoping he ends up deciding to stay.
Of course, Covid makes it a bit more difficult as suddenly there hasn't been any clubs really with the finances to pay what we would normally want for him. But it's still in our hands to lower our expectations.
Which United fans didn’t miss Butt? Great attitude and solid CM.
Ince was not missed however!
Just like it. Red flags everywhere.
This. I've had it with this nonsense now.
Even if we just get half of what we paid for him id be happy to see the back of him
Hardly great num
Or he will sign United biggest ever contract and continue to be inconsistent which he has been since he signed, and in a couple of years we have an Ozil/Sanchez/Rooney like situation where our highest earner is struggling to get in the team it has massively raised the wage demands again of every player, is nearly impossible to move on without paying the player to leave and the situation is just causing a massive distraction.
if you hand out those types of contracts the player has to be 100% key to the club. Pogba is 28 year old player who has never learned consistency, that there is still massive questions over his best position, has been dropped at times by the last 2 mangers for form and attitude and has reputation for going missing from games. That isn’t the kind of player you give that kind of contract too, even when they are as gifted as Pogba.
Neymar and Pogba, the ultimate YouTube highlight players - makes more and more sense Pogba would go to PSG.
You cannot treat all players the same that’s not how it works. There has to be a certain respect for the players who are the most talented. That’s just football all the way down to grass roots. For some reason this club has fallen into the trap that all players are the same and they all need to work the same. We didn’t treat Cantona like that.
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He was the exception that proved the rule.
Getting verratti in place of pogba would be an enormous upgrade
If you actually think that, you've never watched Neymar.
They are in the process of being hounded out by a large majority of fans. Particularly martial, he should be loved for the kind of player he is.
Shame in his absolute prime as a player wanting to play in a farmers league.
Exactly! Which makes it all the stranger then when fans get frustrated with truly creative or flair players. Pogba is heavily scrutinised for losing the ball, forgetting the fact that he pretty much always produces at least one big chance per game. He’s also a joy to watch yet that seemingly gets ignored too.
We should love strikers who don't score many goals? Alright.
Not when he's injured for more than half of the season and missing every big game.
No he wasn’t. CR7, RVP, RVN all got the same treatment.
There’s also plenty of players throughout world football who have it too.
We didn’t love him when he did. That’s the point.
Slightly reductive but expected when it comes to Martial. In fact in his time here at least up until last season he’s pretty much consistently delivered a good number of goals and assists. He’s just a great player to watch, excellent touch, great hold up play, pace, skill, dribbling. But he’s french, black, has a moody face and doesn’t run like Cavani so he’s never going to be loved and that’s the case for Pogba too.
Back in Ferguson's day this is exactly the nouse and muscle the club would have shown. Unless Mbappe is not interested at all this is something we should be doing in order to inflate the perceived value of Paul. As a transfer alone I just know we're going to get robbed. With a forced hand in a hybrid swap deal + cash we'll hide a better valuation in it.
Balance of risk. Lose Paul quality vs maintain squad equilibrium. Imo everything balanced he should go. Some good comments in this thread on why we don't need him that desperately.
Exactly this. Keeping him on a stupid contract leaves us no wriggle room should we need in coming seasons. We're nearly there now with the De Gea deal. Then we've got Jones sat earning for nothing. This would imo undo all the good work Ole has done with the squad.
Balance of risk. Lose Paul quality vs maintain squad equilibrium. Imo everything balanced he should go. Some good comments in this thread on why we don't need him that desperately.
Looks like a small group of PSG fans aren't taking the Pogba links well.
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Note that this isn't too common from PSG fans when it comes to links. They typically make banners for players who are set to arrive (like their banners about Peter Luccin).
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Leaving on a free is like a dream come true for Raiola, he doesn't operate on altruism.
Imagine the pure dancing ability in that PSG team.