Keep Pogba, replace Cavani/Matic with Haaland/Rice, win trophies.
Paul Pogba / turned down United offer of 300k as “nothing”
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I guarantee Agent Bruno is pushing for this as well, the two appear to have become very good friends. Then again so is probably the rest of the team, just look at what they did when they conviced Cavani to extend for a year.
They don't even get paid ridiculous amounts. I will always tell people to look at the size of the industry and the fact that footballers are the ones creating value, no one else.
He's a great player who's been let down by crap signings and management since he's been here. We've finally got a chance to compete now. The only thing he's more likely to win in Spain or France is a league title, so I reckon he'll stay... Too much to lose in leaving - United are a team on the up, it's a daft time to leave.
I agree but how do we fans know that? The way wages are reported for football is so stupid as they aren't reported in same way.
Also timing is key, I mean when the contract was signed. Players signing contract in 2021 shouldn't be compared with players who signed contract 3-4 years ago, when the other players sign new contract they will get big raise too.
I'm all for giving him an extension if:
1. He doesn't break our wage structure.
2. The contract isn't long(5-6 years).
Even if he has stepped up in 2021, he's is no longer as important to us as he used to be. We have multiple world class players in the squad now. Ideally I'd like us to keep him, but it's not like the team falls apart without him anymore. It's not like in 2019 when we had no Bruno, Ronaldo, Cavani, Sancho and Greenwood hadn't started a PL game yet. The circumstances have changed a lot.
1. He doesn't break our wage structure.
2. The contract isn't long(5-6 years).
Even if he has stepped up in 2021, he's is no longer as important to us as he used to be. We have multiple world class players in the squad now. Ideally I'd like us to keep him, but it's not like the team falls apart without him anymore. It's not like in 2019 when we had no Bruno, Ronaldo, Cavani, Sancho and Greenwood hadn't started a PL game yet. The circumstances have changed a lot.
Let's be clear - nobody knows how much these guys earn week to week.
Speak to any legal professional who's had experience with footballing contracts even at a lower level like League 1 and you'll soon understand just how misinformed it gets reported in the media.
All we know is a reported figure that is made up of each player's individual circumstances such as sponsorships, image rights, clauses, bonuses, fines etc. Just because Player x gets a 'reported' salary of 180k a week doesn't mean that he actually earns 180k every week. He could actually earn closer to 120k if his contract is made up of performance based bonuses and he's in a drought or injured for example. Or he could have a League winning clause, or Team of the Year/Golden boot clause etc so he actually earns closer to 80/90k week by week but he's banking on winning an award at the end of the year to get his bonus.
Feck the wages, none of us know, it's not our money, and it's really not that important as a fan to care.
We probably don't know the exact figure, but I do think we have reasonable indicators by some of the better journalists out there. It arent throw-away figures I'd say.
We won't need another winger but we will need 2 midfielders if he leaves.
We can always debate about his position sure but with Bruno, he is our most creative player. He already has 7 assists in the league. You don’t let a player like that leave, it’s very difficult to replace.
I’ll play him in the double pivot against easier opponents and on the left in harder games.
It will be good if he renews and becomes a part of the New Man United that will and should be challenging for trophies.
Oh absolutely I agree, but I don't understand why any normal fan would care about the clubs accounts as if any of us have any idea.
It is a throw away figures when for one player the base salary is reported and for other player all possible bonuses are included when reporting wages.
In most cases people don't even read the article properly, when TAA got new contract after few games, it was reported he will earn at least 40K per week. When Williams signed contract, it was reported he will earn upto 65K per week. If you read the article carefully, it says minimum for TAA is 40K, maximum for Williams is 65K (if he reaches all possible bonuses). Some twitter account reports TAA earns 40K, Williams earns 65K and everyone follows it like a sheep.
Does that mean that he believes in a side with Ronnie driving them on? If so, great!
a side with a focused Pogba can only be a better team.
I had wanted to sell because I thought that he wanted to leave, especially when zidane was still at RM. but if his head is in the game brilliant, just get a number 6 to solidify that middle
a side with a focused Pogba can only be a better team.
I had wanted to sell because I thought that he wanted to leave, especially when zidane was still at RM. but if his head is in the game brilliant, just get a number 6 to solidify that middle
Sign da ting Paulie
I was explaining this to a mate there a few months ago. I was telling him to me Pogba just hasnt felt like a United player to me in that since he re-joined its seemed like he wanted to leave. I think he is a top player but I havent been able to enjoy him because of the constant speculation and because of who is agent is and because he left before., That all has changed this season and especially since yesterday I just get the feeling he is really enjoying being a United player, he is enjoying the higher quality team mates he has now. I think he may sign a new deal.
I care about it because I have a strange interest in accounting and budgeting.
That's why I said "normal" fan, you're a special case
It’ll absolutely be a five year contract. I would imagine one of the most important things when signing contracts in your late twenties is to extend that for as long as possible. Let’s say he moves at 31. He won’t get anywhere near £400k a week without moving to a money league.
Barcelona, nuff said.
Because it gives fans another stick to beat them with, you go on to talk about fringe players in your next post so I won’t echo you.
@villain couldn’t have said it better in his response post. The faux outrage whilst players who have provided far less for far longer earn on the fringes is illuminating.
Align that with the fact most reported wages are either inflated &/or don’t address incentives any we don’t really know exactly what they earn anyway.
When Football Leaks revealed Pogba’s salary most on here we’re shocked as the press reports had led posters to believe he was on far more. Pogba receiving a deserved pay increase is not the reason we don’t have a CDM, in fact I wouldn’t even blame the players on the fringes. The club could handle another transfer, scapegoating players about their salaries is nonsensical.
Paying high quality players big salaries isn't a problem, paying many mediocre players above average salaries and constantly renewing their contracts is.
Oh noes, racists, cnuts and cowards hiding their hate behind his agent are fuming now, good shit.
Pogba never bothered me this or that way but people from day one expected him to put whole bunch of useless shit on his back and carry them, winning shit on his own, which is just pure madness. Whole bust with JM just made things worse specially in minds of JM acolytes.
Think, circus and how it follows Pogba and his agent argument is the best one, while in the same time majority of this forum want Haaland. We also could see clear double standards this summer in media when it comes to Pogba and his circus vs Kane situation. Just come out and say how you cant stand his guts, for whatever reason.
Good news just keep incoming this summer....
His form in general under Ole has been brilliant
18/19 - best goal scoring form of his career during Ole's caretaker period
19/20 - a write off of a season for him due to injury
20/21 - brilliant taking us to top of the table until injury (again) and then brilliant again in a new LW role
21/22 - 7 assists in the opening 4 games
It would be a blow to lose him now and with Sancho, Varane, Ronaldo coming in along with the likes of Bruno, Rashford, Cavani and Greenwood already here Pogba just looks at place quality wise now as oppose to be surrounded by Smalling, Jones, Lukaku, etc previously
18/19 - best goal scoring form of his career during Ole's caretaker period
19/20 - a write off of a season for him due to injury
20/21 - brilliant taking us to top of the table until injury (again) and then brilliant again in a new LW role
21/22 - 7 assists in the opening 4 games
It would be a blow to lose him now and with Sancho, Varane, Ronaldo coming in along with the likes of Bruno, Rashford, Cavani and Greenwood already here Pogba just looks at place quality wise now as oppose to be surrounded by Smalling, Jones, Lukaku, etc previously
I am in the same position. I have changed from indifferent (or leaning towards selling him) to praying that he stays and plays the way he has been. The guy has got more assists in the four matches of this season than combined assists in the last two seasons.
You think you are one of the few?
Yes, I am one of only 8 people in business in the world.
The bigger point being: Your comment on players wages and transfers is incorrect
This does happen, and this is an example of how it can go wrong. But to then throw it away like nothing can be said on salaries when it comes to the club's budget is one step further.
Especially considering how much of the turnover actually goes toward player salaries.
Is your name Vincent Adultman?
A rising tide lifts all Dalots.
At least try and give an argument, this is just silly.
Agreed.
I wonder what Pogba thinks though. Does he like being the big star of the team or does he more prefer to be a bit more in the shadows?
Your conclusion is very difficult to support. What makes you think that United has holes because some players allegedly have stupidly high wages? All teams have holes whether their players are cheap or expensive, it's a function of scarcity.
I don’t get what’s incorrect about pointing out that it‘s difficult to offload some of our players because they’re on ridiculously high wages?
100% the latter imo
Nono, treat this as a learning experience.
You made a statement that you presented as fact, I'm giving you an opportunity to learn from your mistake. You didn't make an argument, you made a statement.
The key to unlucking the mystery lies in these 3 fiscal reports:
Manchester United Plc 1Q21 Interim Report
Manchester United Plc 2Q21 Interim Report
Manchester United Plc 3Q21 Interim Report
As a rule of thumb I always do due dillignece and research my own statements before I make comments, sometimes it takes a few minutes but the learning experience is usually worth the effort.
I didn't inlude that part of the sentence because they are difficult to offload because of the size of their contracts. What I comment on is what I bolded.