How will that affect our pressing game though? Is Dybala a good presser or will we be better off having Bruno in that role instead?Lukaku for Dybala? I'd do it in a heartbeat.
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Martial - Dybala - James
---------McTom - Pogba
Would be a pretty solid attack, throw in a world class CB and we'd be a pretty competitive team.
I understand that he seems adament to work under Conte but maybe he said that because they were the only club interested in. He may want to go to Juventus as he has more chance of winning trophies there.The other thing is whether Lukaku wants to go Juve, he's seems adamant about working under Conte.
Rather:Lukaku for Dybala? I'd do it in a heartbeat.
-------------Rashford
Martial - Dybala - James
---------McTom - Pogba
Would be a pretty solid attack, throw in a world class CB and we'd be a pretty competitive team.
I would do this deal if it were true. This plus Maguire and Bruno (if true) then that's a solid transfer window.
I like the look on your second formation but I would preferably have someone else in there than Fred but that is not going to happen this window. Fred needs a decent season or he should go next summer as he has had his time to settle in and has no excuses.It just makes so so much sense. Get rid of Lukaku to stop shafting Rashford/Martial into a LW role that they shouldn’t and don’t want to play. Gets them playing their preferred role.
Swap our useless Lukaku for a player that can play a role that no one in our team can play as well as him. Closest is Mata and hes got nothing on Dybala.
Also it might cause Pogba to stay.
Pogba ScottThe second formation is now so much more doable with proper wing backs in AWB/Dalot/Shaw. It’s also what Ole wants anyway. He wants our two best strikers playing as strikers together
Greenwood Dybala Martial
Rashford
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Pogba Fred
Dybala
Rashford Martial
Dybala is the missing puzzle piece. So much balance in our team with him in
Definitely, agree that both players are not out and out striker and it's very risky putting all the pressure on Greenwood.I just don’t see where the goals are coming from without a new striker replacement.
Martial and Rashford aren’t huge goal scorers, infact they aren’t even out and out strikers. We aren’t surely putting all our hopes on a 17 year old Greenwood.
100%. He’s a placeholder as he marginally edges it vs Perreira in a non-#10 roleI like the look on your second formation but I would preferably have someone else in there than Fred but that is not going to happen this window. Fred needs a decent season or he should go next summer as he has had his time to settle in and has no excuses.
I don't particularly think that Woody is good at recruitment and to me it seems as if his only strategy is by offering stupid wages that others are unwilling to pay, that could hurt us because if the transfer is not successful we are stuck with players on super high wages that we will have difficulty moving on because other teams will be reluctant to pay what we are playing.He's an Adidas man, is he? Ed would also love him for his marketing potential. The face for United along with Pogba. Question is whether he can be convinced to leave Italy
AgreedEven though a lot of posters in this thread are putting him in the attacking midfielder position, Dybala is not a typical #10 for a 4-2-3-1 — he's more of a 9½ withdrawn forward (like Griezmann but without the defensive draft). A double pivot midfield with Pogba is defensively shallow over the course of a season because he's not a stereotypical central midfielder with regard to defensive positioning and workrate, and adding Dybala to the equation at the attacking midfielder position will limit both players (on top of being structurally brittle).
If you consider Dybala when he evidenced some of his performances (like vs. Barcelona in the Champions League), he was pretty much a support striker alongside (or slightly behind) Higuaín, with Mandzukić putting in a shift on the left flank (and sometimes arriving into the box) and Pjanić/Khedira playing in conservative roles as the DLP + defensive/box-to-box midfielder coupling:
https://spielverlagerung.com/2017/0...ing_wp_cron=1564205866.2880189418792724609375
United will find it easier to accommodate a more traditional attacking midfielder in the current 4-2-3-1 — and Dybala isn't one (for added context: Allegri initially forced him to play deeper at Juventus but that was grave misjudgment and Dybala's performances declined considerably, so there's already a precedent). To get the best out of Dybala there are only 3 options, IMO:
- Diamond or 523/532 with Dybala as the SS (not the #10), but we don't have the wingbacks for that setup.
- 4-3-3 with Dybala as the center forward (not striker but a False 9 of sorts).
- 4-4-2 with Dybala as the support striker, but this won't be ideal if we use Pogba as a central midfielder.
Maybe we should try it as you said and then next summer push McTominay into the Fred role as I think he is also capable of playing further forward and bring in a defensive midfielder to play behind him?100%. He’s a placeholder as he marginally edges it vs Perreira in a non-#10 role
Or to be precise, this is the only logical explanation.Too good to be true, tactic to make inter cough up for lukaku.
I don't think wages would be a problem with Dybala and if he is looking for better wages that could be a plus for us as he is only currently on roughly £113,000 per week.He's not the world class player people thought he was gonna be when he was a youngster. While he is still very talented he is extremely inconsistent and not sure we need another player like that in the squad.
But say 35-40 mil + Dybala I'd probably accept it as long as Dybala accepts a reasonable wage that means we could actually sell him if things didnt work out.
Ow I think we would be able to pay his wages, i more worry that we have raised the bar so much with what prepared to pay players he would come here and we would put him on a wage that would make him unsellable if things don’t work out.I don't think wages would be a problem with Dybala and if he is looking for better wages that could be a plus for us as he is only currently on roughly £113,000 per week.
Tactic from who?Too good to be true, tactic to make inter cough up for lukaku. Snap their hands off if it was true.
I often wonder how badly the sanchez deal screwed us with other players. Effectively on the salary of top first team players and hes on the bench...Ow I think we would be able to pay his wages, i more worry that we have raised the bar so much with what prepared to pay players he would come here and we would put him on a wage that would make him unsellable if things don’t work out.
Would be much better fit for Sarri tactics. This is why it doesn't make any sense to me.A player like dybala needs alot of TLC. You either play him as an SS or as main striker (which would mean embracing his lack of physical prowess). Use it correctly and he is way better then he had shown under allegri
That could well be true and that is what I have been saying for a while regarding our purchasing of players and not being able to sell them on if they are not successful. I don't know if Dybala is greedy but if he comes here he may see how much wages our other players are on and think he wants to be paid similarly which I think could be the case whenever we sign a talented player. Eg he could look at Martial being on £250,000 week which I have read and think he wants at least that, which I think is a mistake by Woody for paying such high wages in the first place.Ow I think we would be able to pay his wages, i more worry that we have raised the bar so much with what prepared to pay players he would come here and we would put him on a wage that would make him unsellable if things don’t work out.
Then I see no point in signing him at all, as United already have Lingard, Mata, Sanchez, Gomes, Pereira. And would Dybala be able to provide the high pressure game expected as a nr. 10? Does he have the energy of Lingard or Pereira? I think a right wing is what´s really needed, not a new nr. 10.Dybala is a top player who had a bad season simply because he has been misused to accommodate Ronaldo. Absolutely no point of him unless we play him as a 10.
Pogba if he stays is no point as a midfield two. Been tried and tried again and tried again.
Mctominay is no point misusing as a DM. Although he does alright there he will not be in his natural position.
All 3 can play out of position but all 3 will be weaker for it and the team as a whole will not function.
It's the same as Fernandes. If Pogba goes it makes sense. And then it only makes sense if we get a DM as well.
Would you push backI’ve got a line up I’d like to see...
......Dybala ———>Me......
———>* = Dybala’s penis.
I’d do anything he’d ask me to. I’d even let his girlfriend watch.Would you push back
It depends. If we are searching for some competition for Rashy then Dybala could be the man. Alternatively he can fit as SS in a narrow 4-4-2 system with Rashy and Dybala upfront. I can see United becoming interested. He is an Ole type of striker ie a hardworking and mobile forward who can shift into different positions while playing.Would be much better fit for Sarri tactics. This is why it doesn't make any sense to me.
And in exchange for Lukaku of all people.
Oh, I can see us being interested. Dybala used the right way can be great addition.It depends. If we are searching for some competition for Rashy then Dybala could be the man. Alternatively he can fit as SS in a narrow 4-4-2 system with Rashy and Dybala upfront. I can see United becoming interested. He is an Ole type of striker ie a hardworking and mobile forward who can shift into different positions while playing.
The problem is that Juve have Ronaldo and the two simply can't play together. Rather then let Dybala rot they rather get rid off him now.Oh, I can see us being interested. Dybala used the right way can be great addition.
I just don't see Juventus being interested in Lukaku. Maybe with Allegri, definitely not with Sarri.
