Thunderhead
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£315m on strikers and midfielders in 3 years for United and still struggling to beat Bournemouth265m on keepers and defenders in three years
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£315m on strikers and midfielders in 3 years for United and still struggling to beat Bournemouth265m on keepers and defenders in three years
A club could go unbeaten and get relegated (mathematically).Because getting 100 points is a much more meaningful record than going unbeaten
Don't see the relevance. Somebody asked a question, I answered it.£315m on strikers and midfielders in 3 years for United and still struggling to beat Bournemouth
Yes, duh, but 100 points or more is an insane feat to pull off. It's every bit as insane as going unbeaten(it means afterall winning at least 31 games out of 38) except more impressive since the winning > not losingIs 97? 98? 99?
Yeah rightI think Pep and City's dominance will only be good for the league in terms of raising the standard of football and forcing the chasing teams to match the quality they've set this season. They've just won 15 matches on the bounce and will probably go the season unbeaten. I think this is really similar to how Wenger revolutionized player diets and implemented sport science techniques when he entered English football. Also how Mourinho reshaped the tactics or even billionaires bankrolling clubs to change the approach to a transfer window or unique players influencing tactics. Pep may influence another revolution.
Just seems arbitrary to me. What if you get 100 points then come third the next year? I'm just slow to say any specific total is an indicator of "true greatness". A team might win the hardest fought league season ever with 80 points. Might win the champions league too. I personally don't see the point in getting worked up over unbeaten or points total targets, but can see why some do.Yes, duh, but 100 points or more is an insane feat to pull off. It's every bit as insane as going unbeaten(it means afterall winning at least 31 games out of 38) except more impressive since the winning > not losing
Great post. Winning titles consistently and consecutively separates the good teams from the great ones.The 'dominance' part is being overplayed. They're undoubtedly a phenomenal team and at this point I reckon there's a very strong chance they'll beat Chelsea's record points total, but comments like "it's becoming the German league" are inherently ridiculous considering the same team finished 3rd last season and is yet to retain the title at all...in a league where we've seen a ton of teams perform superbly in recent years only to fail in their defence of said title.
Ancelotti's Chelsea after 09-10 looked phenomenal for a few games at the start of the following season but soon fell into a dreadful run of form. Mourinho's Chelsea (for the most part) strolled to the title in 14-15 but obviously then fell into free-fall. Go back further, and you'd likely be laughed off by someone telling you before we ended Arsenal's unbeaten run that they still wouldn't have yet won a title over a decade later. Football changes quickly - and in the same way that people writing off Guardiola as out of his depth and being exposed last season were being too premature, I think it's also premature to see this side as one who's going to imperiously dominate the PL without question for years to come.
honestly I'm not irked, I just find it amusing how it keeps coming back to City have spent this in x seasons when in there here and now Guardiola has improved what we have though both spending and coaching, yeah he got it wrong with Bravo but he's been proven to be bang on with how he's improved Stones who wasn't even the best defender in the City of Liverpool never mind the Everton squad, he spent big on Mendy who we've not really seen and Walker who is proving to be money well spent, Danilo is proving to be a decent utility player and Otamendi is looking like the player we thought we'd got after 2 seasons of being a bit of a clown.Don't see the relevance. Somebody asked a question, I answered it.
And again have to rationalise my post to a city fan that has been irked by a fact....
You don't seem amused. But again, I was just answering somebody's query and stated that they have spent 265m on defenders and goalkeepers in three years with the intent of more in January. That's literally all I said,I made no statement about lord guardiolas use of those players. Maybe take issue with a more relevant posthonestly I'm not irked, I just find it amusing how it keeps coming back to City have spent this in x seasons when in there here and now Guardiola has improved what we have though both spending and coaching, yeah he got it wrong with Bravo but he's been proven to be bang on with how he's improved Stones who wasn't even the best defender in the City of Liverpool never mind the Everton squad, he spent big on Mendy who we've not really seen and Walker who is proving to be money well spent, Danilo is proving to be a decent utility player and Otamendi is looking like the player we thought we'd got after 2 seasons of being a bit of a clown.
indeed, claiming any kind of dominance before the fact is just bizarre. whilst they are certainly overwhelming favorites now for the league there's still loads of games to go and cup fixtures to come into the equation too. football is a funny ol game afterall. Also, was it Peps second or first season in Germany where the league was basically won by February at which point all the players switched off and the results took a (relative) downturn. They then got dumped out of the CL with ease by Real because they couldn't get their pecker up quick enough having barely had a competitive game for months.The 'dominance' part is being overplayed. They're undoubtedly a phenomenal team and at this point I reckon there's a very strong chance they'll beat Chelsea's record points total, but comments like "it's becoming the German league" are inherently ridiculous considering the same team finished 3rd last season and is yet to retain the title at all...in a league where we've seen a ton of teams perform superbly in recent years only to fail in their defence of said title.
Ancelotti's Chelsea after 09-10 looked phenomenal for a few games at the start of the following season but soon fell into a dreadful run of form. Mourinho's Chelsea (for the most part) strolled to the title in 14-15 but obviously then fell into free-fall. Go back further, and you'd likely be laughed off by someone telling you before we ended Arsenal's unbeaten run that they still wouldn't have yet won a title over a decade later. Football changes quickly - and in the same way that people writing off Guardiola as out of his depth and being exposed last season were being too premature, I think it's also premature to see this side as one who's going to imperiously dominate the PL without question for years to come.
Yeah, as I say they're a terrific team and I'd be shocked if we see anything other than them winning the title this season due to the start they've made, but football's always adapting and always changing, and within a season or two we could be looking at a very different team depending on circumstances. If you want a recent example, look at Real Madrid - before the season started we were looking at a team who we pretty much all thought were as far ahead of Barca as they'd been for decades, one that'd stroll La Liga at a canter and which would go into the new CL campaign as favourites again. Now they've made a meddling start and as we approach the halfway point sit in 4th, almost inconceivably behind a Valencia team that finished 12th last season. Imagine telling someone after that Juventus game last season that after 15 games in La Liga Real would be behind a team who'd finished in the bottom half of the table - it'd have been laughed off.indeed, claiming any kind of dominance before the fact is just bizarre. whilst they are certainly overwhelming favorites now for the league there's still loads of games to go and cup fixtures to come into the equation too. football is a funny ol game afterall. Also, was it Peps second or first season in Germany where the league was basically won by February at which point all the players switched off and the results took a (relative) downturn. They then got dumped out of the CL with ease by Real because they couldn't get their pecker up quick enough having barely had a competitive game for months.
they look set to have a good season now but i certainly don't see any real long term success (5/6yrs+) as the manager will be off in a season or twos time and they'll then be on the same managerial merry-go-round-lottery as the rest of us
He has won hearts, he has won minds and he has won football matches. His emergence at City is nothing short of an English footballing epiphany. Hearken to his heralds.I could be wrong but I thought Pep hasn't won anything with City. Might be just me.
Few years already?City are just that good. We may need to get used to them dominating like this for a few years. One or two injuries will not hinder them and I would go as far as saying they look like the best team in the whole of Europe this season. They are making the PL look dead easy.
It's not the arguments you make but the tone of your post that makes it smug. Of course you are on a high and probably well within your rights to act smug.Crikey mate, you seem to like emphasising the point that City might strengthen in January. Let it go
Look, I'm not telling other clubs how they should be run. If anything, it's the other way round and for years City fans have had to put up with opposition fans telling us how our club should be run as if there's some sort of unwritten rule about it. Yet as soon as we join in the party and dare to suggest that there might be other ways to run other clubs we get accused of being smug. There's no right or wrong way to run a football club but clearly there are some owners who are far worse than others, as Blackpool fans will testify.
If another club had come along and done what City have done while we were reasonably competitive, what makes you think City fans would've had a problem with it? In fact you can argue that Blackburn did exactly that when Jack Walker bought the club - they were in the 2nd division at the time and City had just finished 5th in the top flight. We finished 5th again the season that Blackburn were promoted, and the following season they finished above us so as a result of their investment they leapfrogged us in the table. And guess what? I know of not a single City fan that ever had a problem with it.
By the way, Arsenal do have the backing of an oil county - have you seen who their main sponsor is?
Yes, it definitely relative and depends on how you look at it. Whether you are examining a single season or a longer time period.Competitiveness seems to be a subjective category depending on where you're coming from.
EPL fans think their league is competitive because there's a different club winning the league each year and the whole "top 6 nonsense", but I can only partly agree because the league stops being competitive by the end of February season after season and the fight that fans get to see for last 3 months of the season is only for CL spots.
By comparison boring 2 team la liga keeps going down to the wire for last 4 seasons in a row.
Presuming you are old enough, think back to 2003 when Abramovich took over Chelsea. What did you think about Chelsea back then? Did you ever utter the words "plastic club"? The cognitive dissonance amongst City fans is strong.If another club had come along and done what City have done while we were reasonably competitive, what makes you think City fans would've had a problem with it?
Got to laugh at Man Utd fans with their outrage at city's spending. Hasn't been a even playing field for decades and Utd are the 1s who've benefitted most from it. You won your own lottery by being great when the money suddenly started pouring in.Yeah tell a club like Tottenham who have done a great job in recent years, back in champions league topping a group with Dortmund and Real Madrid - yet have literally zero chance at competing with city in transfers, wages and if city come to poach one of their players- that city's oil revolution is good for British football.
Get real, the opportunities for most clubs to ever compete with buying a 200m defence and now adding to it because of injuries is pretty much zero. Likewise psg in France.
I didn't give 2 shits about it, just as I've already stated in this thread that I didn't give 2 shits about Blackburn doing it. Don't get me wrong, I've done my fair share of moaning about stuff going on at other clubs in my football supporting life - not least yours - but one thing I've never gotten all moralistic about is what other clubs spend and how they came into that money.Presuming you are old enough, think back to 2003 when Abramovich took over Chelsea. What did you think about Chelsea back then? Did you ever utter the words "plastic club"? The cognitive dissonance amongst City fans is strong.
That's your opinion and you're entitled to it but as I've already stated, one thing I could have gotten all smug about is last weekend's derby victory yet I've not made a single post about that game and I'm not going to either. Now if we'd lost that game rather than won it, as pissed off as I would've been I'd have had the decency to come on here and say fair play for beating us. Any smugness or gloating - perceived or not - I can do elsewhere.It's not the arguments you make but the tone of your post that makes it smug. Of course you are on a high and probably well within your rights to act smug.
It's not looking good for the challenging pack.Few years already?
Hold your horses, 1st year of their global dominance hasn't even finished.
It's been 4 fecking months.It's not looking good for the challenging pack.
only the 13/14 title race was competitive over the last 4 years...Yes, it definitely relative and depends on how you look at it. Whether you are examining a single season or a longer time period.
It might not be competitive within specific seasons and it sure doesn't look like it will this year.
However, if you are examining longer periods, you would most likely come to the conclusion that it is in fact rather competitive. At least for the years following the end of United's dominance.
This is, of course, only discussing the competitiveness of the title race.
City can hold a lot over United fans heads, but this? It took a 98th minute winner from Sterling to beat Bournemouth!£315m on strikers and midfielders in 3 years for United and still struggling to beat Bournemouth
Yes, this is a league full of clubs that can spend.If City go unbeaten, would it be a bigger achievement than Arsenal’s back in 2003/2004?
I’m so confident that they won’t go unbeaten that if they do I’ll ban every single City fan on this forum on the last day of the season.
Don't be mean. We're nice to our Mothers.Can you do it if they don't?
Tottenham have pots of cash to call on if they wish. They are content to run a tight ship and make a healthy profit on revenue and transfer fees (4 years ago United tried to take Bale for over 100m but he chose Madrid) with trophies an added bonus if they come.Yeah tell a club like Tottenham who have done a great job in recent years, back in champions league topping a group with Dortmund and Real Madrid - yet have literally zero chance at competing with city in transfers, wages and if city come to poach one of their players- that city's oil revolution is good for British football.
Get real, the opportunities for most clubs to ever compete with buying a 200m defence and now adding to it because of injuries is pretty much zero. Likewise psg in France.
Please quote me one post where a City fan with more than 20 posts on here has said that we will stay unbeaten/win CL this season. If you can I'll self-ban until the New Year.You will need to do that anyway. Their smugness will be unbearable. They already think they have the best business people, sell out every game and their finances are all legit. Put unbeaten season and/or champions league on top of that.
Well look where we are now, just two seasons later.Improve like the German league where he did a similar thing?