I now really hope the season is voided & Liverpool sc*m get nothing. Funny if the Government found the whole transfer system illegal under workers rights & brought it crashing down. Never understood how players could be seen as an owned asset.
PL clubs furlough non-playing staff | Liverpool, Spurs & Bournemouth U-turns
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
Absolutely disgusting that every one of us will be paying the staff of Liverpool, Newcastle, Spurs, Norwich and Bournemouth so that the clubs can instead use that money to buy the likes of Joelinton, N'dombele and Ibe. Not a single one of those clubs would notice money missing if they had to give their staff paid leave. Really hope the government either tells them to stick it or introduces a PL tax to recoup that money. For many, the bubble has finally burst. The PL, the PFA, the footballers and club owners have been shafting the average Joe for far too long.
This is worth a bump. Excellently put.
If I were a player, I wouldn't accept a penny in pay cuts. I'd rather give it out to charity.
Telling me Liverpool can't afford this...jog on.
Telling me Liverpool can't afford this...jog on.
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If players take a pay cut, that money isn't going to the NHS for example. No one is against players giving some money out. The suggestion was that they take a 20% pay cut. They're right to tell the clubs to feck off.
To play devils advocate, do you think it's fair players should be paid in full to do feck all? These players get paid tens of millions of pounds collectively and the clubs will not be able to recoup any money from gates, TV, etc. as the season looks increasingly likely to be called off.
And they entitled to do that and then donate themselves. I agree that clubs should pay their players, and non playing staff. But the gesture from rich people should really count in times like these. It's only the right thing to do. So yes, Owners and whoever else is rich should be helping in some way, even if it isn't pay cuts.
Its disgusting how these rich aholes get away with this. And they dont even care. Whats gonna happen? Nothing. They should introduce a corona tax based on net worth, with increasing amount the higher it is.
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Think anyone who's close to the club will agree with Carra, good on him as well for taking a swipe at the club.
Scum bags
100% agree.
This is beyond embarrassing from the owners. They have a history of making terrible decisions like this before being forced to backtrack.
well done carragher. First person associated with Liverpool who has actually spoke a word of sense in months.
typical Liverpool only out to serve their own purposes.
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I would say no but guess you could say the same for any profession where people are staying at home doing nothing
The point I would make is that would players miss 20℅ of their wage when there is nothing to do but sit around at home?
They can't go out and party and spend shit loads of money if they have that lifestyle to party.
I would have said that 10℅ of their wage could help the club to pay non playing staff. You think with the average weekly wage being around 50k, (10℅ being 5k) x 4 weeks for about 25 players?
That's about half a mill give or take a club could then put towards non playing staff per month and then the club itself covers the rest. They shouldn't need to use the government scheme
(And then the players can all donate 10℅ towards helping community, nhs, whoever)
The other point is whether people will remember all these owners, organisations and such who are showing their villainous colours after this is all over. Eg sports direct, who people knew were owned by a true life villain and for all these calls of boycotting yet SD will continue to be used.
Yeah but how about - the rich clubs & the owners pay the non-playing staff from their own back pockets or future transfer budgets.
The players get paid the full money they're owed which gets heavily taxed (plus NI contributions from both employee and employer) and indirectly goes to funding all our spending now. And on top of that, they donate 20% of their taxed income directly to the NHS and community.
What you're proposing is, the players should do their bit but lets let the owners and clubs keep their cash.
Well when the government brings in a law to ensure a big percentage of any transfer fee goes to the taxman don't be surprised.
it’s not the first time Liverpool have ruined it for everyone else is it.
It's not just Liverpool to be fair.
Any club that furloughs staff should have a one transfer window ruling where they can't buy any players. If you don't have the money for staff then you don't have the money for signings.
No, I'm saying the club / owners should pay staff right now who aren't working but pay them like they are
The other way to look at it is will people care in a few months time that Liverpool did this?
There is a scheme and Liverpool are doing the only logical business thing. Why wouldn't you do this? cash
I think it’s morally corrupt (and the government are really to blame) but the only logical thing to do is take the cash.
The onus is on the government to make football clubs exempt but then they won't / can't
Some clubs / owners will see that as a win / win
Absolutely agree with this. If Liverpool go on to spend £50m on Timo Werner it will be up there with their absolute worst offences and that’s a tough list.
Premier League need to also take some blame for this. As soon as the Chancellor announced the furlough scheme the PL should have had a penalty attached to any of the 20 clubs who take advantage. This isn't just Liverpool who look bad here but also the sport as a whole in the country.
you can’t make football clubs except, as there will be many clubs struggling financially in the lower leagues. But clubs that had a £100m profit last should not be allowed to participate in this scheme.
you always get people and organisations taking the piss when there is a crisis at the government clearly doesn’t have the time to work out all the exceptions. But clubs like Liverpool are now stealing money from the tax paying public. This bailout is going totake decades to sort out, the last thing we need is businesses like this leaching off of the country.
shameless.
Why did they not just initially carve out PL teams and say the scheme wouldn't be applicable to them?
What you're saying is what I meant (tho I didn't put conditions on it)
However The owner of Liverpool won't care what people are saying online and it's the way this world works unfortunately
I'm sure there are plenty of companies taking advantage of such govenment schemes, in Britain and elsewhere, even when they can afford to pay their staff. Obviously though few will hear of them. Everyone will hear of the football clubs.
Yes, I do remember Heysel.
Probably had a lot on their mind in fairness to the Government. The Premier League should have been proactive in the first place.
You'll Never Walk Alone... Oh, er, okay then...
Has riled me up this. I was irked by Spurs doing it, but Liverpool, with a £533m turnover, and pre-tax profits of £42m despite record spending? fecking hell. They're the 8th richest club in the world.
Imagine if they spend money on players in the summer after this.
Imagine if they spend money on players in the summer after this.
Which they will...close to spending £51m on Werner.
Newcastle would for sure, the rest not so much. Mourinho would throw the hissy fit to end all hissy fits at Spurs and whatever division Bournemouth and Norwich are in, they'll want to add players to stay up/come back up.
After reading through these topics I have to agree with Andros Townsend about football players being vilified over this.
I think it's impossible to say this club shouldn't Furlough their staff, or player's/owners should take wage cuts etc... After all who knows when football will start again, this revenue stream might not even continue in August for the start of the new season and Sky/BT Sport might have lost so many subscribers that they can't afford the payments to the Premier league/clubs (I have no idea how these payments are made ie. amounts/dates).
Football clubs are currently losing money via revenue streams, such as tickets, merchandise, possibly sponsorship etc...and they are paying out salaries, have operations costs while not making the same income.
Then there's players on big salaries and automatically it's assumed they should take paycuts because of this. It's even difficult to figure out a fair percentage to deduct. Some players are paid different salaries and obviously have different expenses. I imagine there's numerous players that live paycheck to paycheck, this obviously sounds absurd to the average Joe. Just because they earn more in a week than we do in a year, but look at how many of them end up broke as soon as they finish playing.
It's not as simple as they get paid millions of pounds a year, owner's are billionaire's so they should pay this or that.
I think it should be up to individual players/owners to decide what, or if they can donate. As well as what a fair percentage they can afford in terms of a salary deduction or if they can afford one. Not to mention, the more they get paid, the more they get taxed to pay other people's salaries anyway.
I think it's impossible to say this club shouldn't Furlough their staff, or player's/owners should take wage cuts etc... After all who knows when football will start again, this revenue stream might not even continue in August for the start of the new season and Sky/BT Sport might have lost so many subscribers that they can't afford the payments to the Premier league/clubs (I have no idea how these payments are made ie. amounts/dates).
Football clubs are currently losing money via revenue streams, such as tickets, merchandise, possibly sponsorship etc...and they are paying out salaries, have operations costs while not making the same income.
Then there's players on big salaries and automatically it's assumed they should take paycuts because of this. It's even difficult to figure out a fair percentage to deduct. Some players are paid different salaries and obviously have different expenses. I imagine there's numerous players that live paycheck to paycheck, this obviously sounds absurd to the average Joe. Just because they earn more in a week than we do in a year, but look at how many of them end up broke as soon as they finish playing.
It's not as simple as they get paid millions of pounds a year, owner's are billionaire's so they should pay this or that.
I think it should be up to individual players/owners to decide what, or if they can donate. As well as what a fair percentage they can afford in terms of a salary deduction or if they can afford one. Not to mention, the more they get paid, the more they get taxed to pay other people's salaries anyway.
This is my view on it. Players get paid in full so that taxes are paid, the owners pay non-paying staff and the players and high earning non-playing staff donate a percentage of their wages to the NHS and charities.
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It seems like another one of them decisions where FSG are looking at other businesses, whilst completely overlooking the history and the values of the club.
I'm sure the owners will point to bigger businesses with much bigger profit margins doing it, but most of them don't claim to be associated with socialist values.
Liverpool could sell one of their on loan youngsters that's obviously never going to make it to pay the few hundred thousand it would cost to pay their own staff for 3 months!
Furlough Sports group need to try and rectify this asap
I'm sure the owners will point to bigger businesses with much bigger profit margins doing it, but most of them don't claim to be associated with socialist values.
Liverpool could sell one of their on loan youngsters that's obviously never going to make it to pay the few hundred thousand it would cost to pay their own staff for 3 months!
Furlough Sports group need to try and rectify this asap
Curious who this is, doesn’t read like Milner.Is that supposed to be real? Kind of a weird read that.
If it is, my money is on Troy Deeney.
Actually, Milner would make a lot of sense given the information in the article. I just cannot imagine him talking like that.