Pogba

God I hope we don't agree an extension, Pogba for all his once a season brilliant performances has been an overwhelmingly negative influence across the board, I will be so glad when he is gone
 
He has nowhere else to go if PSG doesn’t sign him. I don’t think he has much options at all to consider. Can’t see Real and Juve touching him at all
 
Good, hope we sign him if the wages are reasonable. He wasted his career under two incompetent managers. Hopefully Ralf can get him the right position.
 
SATA said:
He has nowhere else to go if PSG doesn’t sign him. I don’t think he has much options at all to consider. Can’t see Real and Juve touching him at all
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Yeah PSG seems best fit. If No "acceptable club" wants him and he comes crawling back offer him 1 year extension on 50k less than what he's on now.
 
The fact that none of could honestly claim our recent results would have definitely been better had he not got injured says it all really. Making him one of the best paid players in the world would be absolute madness. So mad I’m not sure any other club would take that risk either.
 
bond19821982 said:
Good, hope we sign him if the wages are reasonable. He wasted his career under two incompetent managers. Hopefully Ralf can get him the right position.
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What if Ralf doesn’t want him? First “competent” manager we will have had in 5 years and he doesn’t want a world record player? Would that finally persuade some of you that he’s just too individualistic and expensive to keep pandering to? That’s all most posters have been saying about Pogbas time here. Far more limited players on nowhere near the same money are doing more effective midfield work than him. It’s a shame but that doesn’t mean we should double down just in case.
 
Ladron de redcafe said:
Ah, but that's speculative. We were awful without him. And there's no indication we wouldn't have been better with him.
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We’ve been pretty awful with him. He’s always going to be a problem that can not be solved. He is probably the last person Ragnick would have in his philosophy. He is everything but what Ragnick looks for in a player.
 
I don't think there's much hope for him under Rangnick, he's too lethargic and immobile and approaching the end of his prime years. He should look for another club.
 
Ali Dia said:
What if Ralf doesn’t want him? First “competent” manager we will have had in 5 years and he doesn’t want a world record player? Would that finally persuade some of you that he’s just too individualistic and expensive to keep pandering to? That’s all most posters have been saying about Pogbas time here. Far more limited players on nowhere near the same money are doing more effective midfield work than him. It’s a shame but that doesn’t mean we should double down just in case.
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If he isn't a fit, then he should go. Thing is, pretty much every single player has been bad or regressed since they signed for us. But the outcry is only against Pogba thanks to his agent.

Point is, everyone deserves a clean slate now. If Ralf thinks he isn't a fit, he can go. I trust him.
 
My main issue with Pogba now is his fitness. At this point, I wonder if we can actually classify him as an injury prone player. All the more so as he’s approaching that sort of age where the little niggles start becoming bigger and bigger, and Rangnick is likely to implement a very intense style of pressing.
 
bond19821982 said:
If he isn't a fit, then he should go. Thing is, pretty much every single player has been bad or regressed since they signed for us. But the outcry is only against Pogba thanks to his agent.

Point is, everyone deserves a clean slate now. If Ralf thinks he isn't a fit, he can go. I trust him.
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I think a clean slate would be the sensible way to go but on the other hand some of these players are on their 3rd 4th and even 5th clean slate post Fergie. Like what’s really going to change? It’s getting ridiculous. It’s up to the club to be willing to take a loss on these guys and stop renewing anyone with even half an interest in sticking around.
 
No new news I hope. Whenever this thread starts moving, I get scared that we have got Pogba to sign a new 400k contract.
 
I think pogba and the greasy scumbag are in for a rude awakening, the clubs he wants are not going to chuck the kind of money he is expecting at him. Its either a Newcastle/psg for the money or juve/real for a lot less than he would like. Personally if he turns around in May and says he'll sign I'd offer him a contract, at 100k a week less than the one on offer now.
 
SAF got rid of him for a reason ..he was very rarely wrong about a player. Great talent but rotten attitude and application, a liability we can do without these days.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
The fact that none of could honestly claim our recent results would have definitely been better had he not got injured says it all really. Making him one of the best paid players in the world would be absolute madness. So mad I’m not sure any other club would take that risk either.
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Pogba has impacted more games than anyone since January this year and even going back to pre Xmas and the CL group he almost salvaged for us. He salvaged games in the league from Jan to his injury against Everton and our form dropped while he was injured, came back from injury and after the first two games back where you dived in on him immediately, went back to impacting games for us such as Spurs, Villa, Milan etc. His form at the start of the season was a key factor in our good start, particularly the Southampton game where he was the only good performer and set up a goal we barely deserved. But yeah yet again don’t let your bias get in the way.
 
Jeppers7 said:
Pogba has impacted more games than anyone since January this year and even going back to pre Xmas and the CL group he almost salvaged for us. He salvaged games in the league from Jan to his injury against Everton and our form dropped while he was injured, came back from injury and after the first two games back where you dived in on him immediately, went back to impacting games for us such as Spurs, Villa, Milan etc. His form at the start of the season was a key factor in our good start, particularly the Southampton game where he was the only good performer and set up a goal we barely deserved. But yeah yet again don’t let your bias get in the way.
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Is their some kind of stats to backup these claims because i don't think many see it that way at all.

He's been average mostly with a handful of great games across that time.
 
Smores said:
Is their some kind of stats to backup these claims because i don't think many see it that way at all.

He's been average mostly with a handful of great games across that time.
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Exactly the issue. You can go back through his performance thread easily enough, Ive posted enough times where I’ve listed games and performances. I had a running joke that narked some posters off, but it was for this reason. Good game after good game I posted about how he was ruining the narrative about him by being consistently good over months and months, it went into the Euros and the start of the season. Predictably it all got very quickly forgotten the minute he had a run of poor form.

It’s the same on the opposite stance with Bruno for example, who has been average at best mostly since January but the minute he returns to form the narrative will be that he’s been a fantastic signing who has carried the club the entire time….despite, you know 11 months and counting.

So it doesn’t surprise me at all. It’s the way it’s always been with Pogba, massively overstated negatives. It’s just down to negative regard.
 
If we want some to provide an occasional piece of brilliance while showing very little tactical know-how, then spend 3 months away from the team, we can just promote someone like Hannibal at fraction of the wages. Let’s not beat this dead horse anymore.

If Pogba wants to show to fans that he’s finally serious about the club, he can take a substantial wage cut and put his heart on the field twice a week. Then maybe we can think about giving him a renewed contract if he plays a key role in us lifting trophies.
 
Sparky_Hughes said:
I think pogba and the greasy scumbag are in for a rude awakening, the clubs he wants are not going to chuck the kind of money he is expecting at him. Its either a Newcastle/psg for the money or juve/real for a lot less than he would like. Personally if he turns around in May and says he'll sign I'd offer him a contract, at 100k a week less than the one on offer now.
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I agree. I think he’s shit out of luck to be honest, should have moved to Madrid or PSG years ago.
 
I'll be very surprised if he gets an extension, especially now that Rangnick's in charge. Maybe finally we'll start making proper footballing decisions.
 
RedDevil@84 said:
No new news I hope. Whenever this thread starts moving, I get scared that we have got Pogba to sign a new 400k contract.
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Yeah, time to move on. Forget the 'protect the asset' crap. Hopefully Rangnick's influence will prevail.
 
Firestorm said:
SAF got rid of him for a reason ..he was very rarely wrong about a player. Great talent but rotten attitude and application, a liability we can do without these days.
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rewriting history here

Fergie wanted to keep him but Raiola convinced him to go to Juve
 
RedCurry said:
If we want some to provide an occasional piece of brilliance while showing very little tactical know-how, then spend 3 months away from the team, we can just promote someone like Hannibal at fraction of the wages. Let’s not beat this dead horse anymore.

If Pogba wants to show to fans that he’s finally serious about the club, he can take a substantial wage cut and put his heart on the field twice a week. Then maybe we can think about giving him a renewed contract if he plays a key role in us lifting trophies.
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This is the biggest concern for me with attempting to keep him. He'll want to upset the wage structure and get on par with Ronaldo. Moreover, he'll block the path of someone like Mejbri from the academy or a player like Van de Beek, who's been more committed to the cause despite fewer opportunities.
 
Wednesday at Stoke said:
This is the biggest concern for me with attempting to keep him. He'll want to upset the wage structure and get on par with Ronaldo. Moreover, he'll block the path of someone like Mejbri from the academy or a player like Van de Beek, who's been more committed to the cause despite fewer opportunities.
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Eh?
 
What's the purpose. It is delayed until now, he should have got an ultimatum long time ago. Not to mention he probably wants big money and its a question if he fits Ragnick plan at all.
Better to end this story which doesnt have a happy end but it is what it is.
 
Pogba, lingard, Jones need to go asap

In summer we also lose Matic, Mata

We then need 2 quality midfielders & a defender and we should be stronger as we have enough up front although Haaland would be nice
 
We made a big mistake with Sanchez, and couldn't get rid of him quick enough.
Let's not make same mistake with Pogba. If we can get anything for him in January, let him go.
 
He'd fit in quite well in Rangnick's 4222 - LM/LAM.

If United play well and get the results over the next 2-3 months, Pogba will sign a contract. No one else too keen on him - Madrid off the cards, Juve are in the mud - and PSG I don't think he wants to join them.
 
DutchCruijff said:
He'd fit in quite well in Rangnick's 4222 - LM/LAM.

If United play well and get the results over the next 2-3 months, Pogba will sign a contract. No one else too keen on him - Madrid off the cards, Juve are in the mud - and PSG I don't think he wants to join them.
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If clubs don't have a to pay a transfer fee, he'll have no shortage of clubs. Granted they'll have to pay a big signing on fee instead, but it'll be nothing compared to a transfer fee. My guess will be PSG, they seem to have a bit of a fetish for players who run down their contracts.
 
We’d want our heads examining if we give him a massive contract as one of the best paid players. How many years of pissing underperformance do we need to tolerate before we accept that this hasn’t worked and we need to replace him with a more effective, if not better player.

But obviously we’ll give him the contract and be regretting it within the month.
 
I just know this club is stupid enough to give him crazy amount of money that he's not worth. If they are smart, give him a cheap 20-30m release clause so that the club can make some money back if he wants leave.
 
DutchCruijff said:
He'd fit in quite well in Rangnick's 4222 - LM/LAM.

If United play well and get the results over the next 2-3 months, Pogba will sign a contract. No one else too keen on him - Madrid off the cards, Juve are in the mud - and PSG I don't think he wants to join them.
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On the bolded I agree. He also presses more than anybody in the squad except Fred.

I'd love to see him in a functioning high pressing starting 11. He could be devastatingly good in that LAM position especially imo.
 
DutchCruijff said:
He'd fit in quite well in Rangnick's 4222 - LM/LAM.

If United play well and get the results over the next 2-3 months, Pogba will sign a contract. No one else too keen on him - Madrid off the cards, Juve are in the mud - and PSG I don't think he wants to join them.
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I agree and hope that Rangnick is the manager finally know how to use him.

Having said that I have no issue for him to leave. The last few years he and his agent are pain in the ass. We also need to make him one of the highest paid player in the world. Perhaps, we can get someone younger, better, cheaper and also without a cnut agent like Raiola.
 
Class of 1902 said:
If clubs don't have a to pay a transfer fee, he'll have no shortage of clubs. Granted they'll have to pay a big signing on fee instead, but it'll be nothing compared to a transfer fee. My guess will be PSG, they seem to have a bit of a fetish for players who run down their contracts.
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He has expectations - a fat signing on fee + a fat contract + some level of success/exposure.

Who is going to offer that? Only PSG.
 
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