D) What the hell just happened the last few days?
POLL: your thoughts on the Rooney contract extension
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Cantona didn't kick a fan, he overreacted to abuse from a terrace lowlife in a match that the ref failed to control. Palace were more interested in karate than football in that game, and Eric boiled over.
i'm happy, ecstatic even. hopefully the media shit storm hovering over rooney will die down to such an extent that the news of the world will be dying for another rooney sex scandal story to sell some more papers. no doubt they'll give me upwards of 500k for my story where i intimately reveal the sordid details of an evening of debauchery and sin when i had sex with a potato that looked like wayne rooney.
Until he issues a proper apology to fans, I can't be happy about it.
I still have a niggling feeling that given how ridiculous the last few days have been, that he might have just signed so we can get a good transfer fee for him in the summer.
If he apologises to the fans and starts performing well again, I think that would move me to an A.
I still have a niggling feeling that given how ridiculous the last few days have been, that he might have just signed so we can get a good transfer fee for him in the summer.
If he apologises to the fans and starts performing well again, I think that would move me to an A.
I felt that Utd needed to make a 'marquee' signing in the summer to demonstrate that they have money to spend - and hopefully improve the team. I hope this will result in a big name signing this coming summer.
He did say he accepted he needs to win fans back round with his performances on the pitch. Which is a start.
An apology would be nice but the reality is a few world class performances will be a lot more effective at winning us round. That says more about us than it does about him but that's the way football fans roll, to be brutally honest. We're fickle cnuts.
Provoked or not he did kick a fan.You rather he pissed in your face and told you how sorry he was about it?
Apologies are worthless aren't they? He did all this on purpose, and probably got what he wanted from it (more money, reassurances or both). Holding his hand up and saying sorry is too easy.
Don't know what he'll have to do to turn me around. Time is probably the only thing that works. If he really commits himself, plays well over a long period, cleans up his act, and stays that way over time then all of this can be forgotten. Right now I'll and for the foreseeable future he is a mercenary for me. Don't even know if he'll be here come August.
Don't know what he'll have to do to turn me around. Time is probably the only thing that works. If he really commits himself, plays well over a long period, cleans up his act, and stays that way over time then all of this can be forgotten. Right now I'll and for the foreseeable future he is a mercenary for me. Don't even know if he'll be here come August.
I'm not condoning his behavior, just saying that it happened in volatile circumstances which Eric obviously didn't handle well. If I remember correctly it was a red for a stamp on Palace player, and yet he wasn't escorted into the wardrobe. I'm a fanboi of Eric's btw
I'd rather he didn't piss in my face at all tbh.You rather he pissed in your face and told you how sorry he was about it?
That's a bit of an exaggeration of what happened though and if Fergie can get over what's happened then so can I. Will never see Rooney in the same light again though. I thought he was a throw-back. The next Giggs or Scholes. Turns out he's a selfish little shit like (most of) the rest of them. Which is a crying shame.
We have the privilige of being pissed off fans with no regard for consequences though! Ferguson has to put this in the back of his head because he has responsibilities.
How the hell could anyone choose the booooo option is beyond me. Even if he does get sold, at least now we can negotiate with a strong hand and get the best possible value for him. The only other option would have been to get him out of the door for as much as possible in January.
Actually, is it not more like your girlfriend having relationship doubts, wondering whether this relationship is going in the right direction, and wanting some time to think? All the while with a manipulative dickhead mate in her ear constantly telling her that she could find someone who'll spoil her more here, while really only thinking about the benefits of herself(maybe it's a rich mate who might buy her a car to set the two up?). In other words, the incredibly frustrating but accepted stage that most relationships meet? Sure, it was a bit hard to take that she's mouthing off to everyone that'll listen that she's having those doubts, and she'll need to make it up for that reason alone, but aside from that it all seems a bit dramatic.
The thing is Rooney's a div, we've known that right from the start. He's too easily manipulated and he doesn't have a clue what he really wants, he just knows he's been promised this, that and the other from his agent. Does he love the club? Probably not. Did he love the club when he first moved here? Again, probably not. Does that make him a cnut? Not really no.
It's sweet to believe he did, that most of the players that come here have a special connection with the club, but I don't think that's the reality of the situation. Players come here because we're successful and we treat them well.
I don't have that same level of feeling for players and that's sad in a way, I've never felt the same level of love and adoration for a player that you have I'm sure. I've had to be that way because I've grown up in the era of modern football that we're seeing fully exposed now, I've missed out on having a true connection with any player because so many of them don't give a bollock about us and the only road that'll lead to is hurt. Most players are dickheads because they can be - they've got enough money and fame to not care about anyone else but themselves and they take advantage of it. Trying to see them as something more than that, something worthy of worship...that's naive.
What United is about now is very different from what United was about even a decade ago, I feel, and some people are having trouble letting that go.
We've always got paddy evra though. If ever a player restored the faith in footballers it's our left back.
I am happy he has signed as at least now we can get a decent transfer fee for him, should he decide to chuck his toys out of the pram next season.
I'm sure Cristiano Ronaldo's contract in 2007 wasn't signed with the intention of him seeing out that length of time or even close to it, it was to keep him for a little longer and be in a position to gain the maximum fee possible.
I'm not saying we'll sell Rooney though, just that if he decides to go all gobshite on us again, we'll be in a much more powerful position than we were this week.
The fact that Rooney has tried every trick in the book to get the salary he wants won't please SAF and that mistrust will linger for him and the fans(the ones who are honest with themselves) IMO, even though we've effectively rewarded Rooney for his bully-boy tactics.
happy
were in a stronger position should he decide to throw a wobbler again
plus he has obviously been promised that we will be signing some quality
and finally we wont see him in a city shirt, which I doubt would have happened but the prospect did scare me.
were in a stronger position should he decide to throw a wobbler again
plus he has obviously been promised that we will be signing some quality
and finally we wont see him in a city shirt, which I doubt would have happened but the prospect did scare me.
More like the benefit of the doubt I'd say, or at least hope.. He's got a lot to prove now
I'm happy but I am happy for the club because it means if we decide to sell we do it on our own terms and not those of a petulant spoilt brat of a player.
I voted "Meh" however because I didn't want the outcome to be a resounding "happy" as that would perhaps send the wrong message(amongst this forum at the least).
I hope Hernandez takes his chance to make a name for himself this season and Obertan and Bebe step up to the plate as well as Smalling as this will be the perfect response to whats happened this week.
I voted "Meh" however because I didn't want the outcome to be a resounding "happy" as that would perhaps send the wrong message(amongst this forum at the least).
I hope Hernandez takes his chance to make a name for himself this season and Obertan and Bebe step up to the plate as well as Smalling as this will be the perfect response to whats happened this week.
Booo. I need to like the players to like the team. He was a favorite, but has cast a cloud over himself now and I worry that it's going to be nowhere near the fun watching him now. I'm sure this makes me naieve, but so be it. I'm sure it's best for the club getting more money from that contract or whatever. I get nothing out of thinking about that stuff.
Not to worry as the others are still there. Fletcher, Evra and squeezing another year out of Scholes, Giggs, and Neville (?).
Not to worry as the others are still there. Fletcher, Evra and squeezing another year out of Scholes, Giggs, and Neville (?).
Imagine if he'd have gone to city, scored against us, lead them to the title? For christ sake keeping him was worth it alone just so we didn't potentialy suffer such an outcome. We all know Rooneys a cock, but he's our cock and I'm over the moon he's stayed....he's got some making up to do though and his reputation has been tarnished forever...I can look back on what he's achieved here already and not feel an increadible bitterness so I'm relieved at that.
Happy, he's our best player and we need him to win trophies this season.
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IMO you assume too much, in Ronnie's case it was about making him stay as long as possible as he'd always been very frank about his boyhood dreams.
Rooney's case isn't comparable. Even SAF couldn't understand Rooney's stance (well, he probably did, but calling a player greedy isn't the best way to conduct negotiations). SAF played hardball meeting the allegations from the Rooney camp on every point. In hindsight this was after all only contractual negotiations which had to be done in public due to the leaks from the Rooney camp.
If anything this whole affair is testiment that Rooney is an integral part to SAF's plans and hopefully will continue to be for a few years yet.
I've been on the emotional roller coaster like everybody else this week, but I'm quite happy with the outcome as it serves the team this season and hopefully the seasons after. As Pogue already said, after whoregate how can anybody hold the boy in any esteem? He's got it all to prove now, IMO a win-win situation for the club.
This is exactly the kind of shallow attitude and psyche that give footballer's the arrogance to think they can hold their club to ransom and still expect the support of their trophy-obsessed, short-term thinking fans
When Chelsea supporters continued to cheer Terry after his similar using of a situation to get a fatter contract, we laughed and quite rightly labelled them glory-hunters, cnuts, etc. Yet here we are a year on, the same situation with our flagship player only on a worse, more public scale and the majority of people on here are in raptures of joy, u-turns all over the place, and fecking okey-cokey's at Rooney's bully-boy negotiating tactics succeeding.
Absolute morally bankrupt spastics, as far as I'm concerned. And a sad reflection of the modern day football supporter. Glory>morals, loyalty, priciples etc, an absolute joke IMO.
C you next Tuesday.
A watershed moment in bending over.
A watershed moment in bending over.
meh, this feels like Ronnie staying after 2008 to me. The only thing this contract changes is that we now control when Rooney leaves the club instead of him and his cnut of an agent. I have a feeling that this saga has irreparably damaged his relationship with the club and the contract happened after Rooney found out that he wasn't going to find it any better elsewhere.
Once he has started looking at greener grass (or in his case cash and prostitutes) elsewhere you know the relationship is doomed.
Once he has started looking at greener grass (or in his case cash and prostitutes) elsewhere you know the relationship is doomed.
It's ironic how much you're currently reflecting the person you're so viciously bashing, in that you evidently have a pretty big ego - in thinking you're so much better than the rest - and you don't really give a shit what anyone else thinks - as you've made abundantly clear by throwing insults around at everyone who cares to disagree - but hey ho, don't let that get in the way of your tedious, inane ranting.This is exactly the kind of shallow attitude and psyche that give footballer's the arrogance to think they can hold their club to ransom and still expect the support of their trophy-obsessed, short-term thinking fans
When Chelsea supporters continued to cheer Terry after his similar using of a situation to get a fatter contract, we laughed and quite rightly labelled them glory-hunters, cnuts, etc. Yet here we are a year on, the same situation with our flagship player only on a worse, more public scale and the majority of people on here are in raptures of joy, u-turns all over the place, and fecking okey-cokey's at Rooney's bully-boy negotiating tactics succeeding.
Absolute morally bankrupt spastics, as far as I'm concerned. And a sad reflection of the modern day football supporter. Glory>morals, loyalty, priciples etc, an absolute joke IMO.
Rooney doesn't give a shit if we love him. You don't really matter in his life. At all. Rooney 'held the club to ransom' with absolutely no appreciation for how it affected us, the fans, as you can see. It caused everyone in the country to turn on him, and chances are he's at home laughing because he's got a massive paycheck. Everyone did hate him, and I'd imagine that was a small price to take for getting what he wanted. Us hating him even more wouldn't have changed that, unless you want us to send a few death threats out there? You know, to show how much we care, the real fans.
I'll be with this club 'til the day I die, you'll be jumping ship to a new club in a few years because 'Manchester United has abandoned it's morals' or you'll quite football altogether because 'football's lost what made it so special'...because you clearly can't handle the ups and downs of it very well, mate.
FWIW, that last line's a load of bollocks, I don't have a clue what you'll be doing and I'm not someone who thinks so much of himself that he can tell others about the right way to support your club, it's just to show you how ridiculous you're coming across. You're like a heartbroken teenager. Do you really get your jollies off coming on an internet forum and telling everyone else how much worse a supporter they are? I'd really hope it's just that time of the month, and this isn't a true reflection of yourself.
Hearing a few rumours / suggestions that the new contract is nothing more than a gentlemen's agreement between Rooney and Man Utd. Rooney obviously was given money for signing it and given assurances that he will be sold either in January or in the Summer.
Meh. Couldn't Boo.
We might get a suitable apology but as Stretford has done his job by maximising the scouse cnut's money, I suspect he needn't fear for his job.
Having said that, Sir Alex wants everyone on board, including us. So let's get on with backing the team, including Rooney. Although I suggest we celebrate his goals if he ever scores another one with a not so ironic "You Scouse Bastard!"
To get me to A I requireSir Alex said:
- the apology that Sir Alex thinks he'll deliver
- the sacking and humiliation of Paul fecking Stretford
We might get a suitable apology but as Stretford has done his job by maximising the scouse cnut's money, I suspect he needn't fear for his job.
Having said that, Sir Alex wants everyone on board, including us. So let's get on with backing the team, including Rooney. Although I suggest we celebrate his goals if he ever scores another one with a not so ironic "You Scouse Bastard!"
Happy.
I think Ferguson once again showed why he has come as far as he has. Instead of letting the overgrown boy being lead by his criminal advisor to spread doubts about where Man Utd are going, he has made Rooney come back with his head bowed - and I don't believe for a minute Rooney is satisfied with a total of getting the same contract he was offered, maybe plus some, and having to go through this whole media ordeal and come creeping back. You can see it in the interviews, this was not the road he wanted to take.
Rooney's a kid, and for anyone to think he is more shrewd than Rio was in his day quite surprises me. People ask if it was the influence of a shrewd agent, the money at United, the money elsewhere, the doubt about Uniteds Glazered future, anger at Fergusons perceived cold shoulder, a way to flee from the situation at home or the situation with the media, or frustration due to lack of form after injury and a(nother) disappointing championship with England. What is rather obvious is that most or all of these things actually has taken place, and even during the same short period of time. I'm not surprised how it all can be a bit too much for a boy. The difference between King Eric, who wanted to quit United and England, and Rooney, was that the former was four years older and rather more intelligent, enough so not to speak his mind in front of the journalists so that it was less messy for us supporters when he let himself be convinced by the Almighty Gaffer to stay anyway. "When the seagulls ..." etc. Does anyone expect Wazza from Croxteth to be able to come up with stuff like that?
I think Ferguson once again showed why he has come as far as he has. Instead of letting the overgrown boy being lead by his criminal advisor to spread doubts about where Man Utd are going, he has made Rooney come back with his head bowed - and I don't believe for a minute Rooney is satisfied with a total of getting the same contract he was offered, maybe plus some, and having to go through this whole media ordeal and come creeping back. You can see it in the interviews, this was not the road he wanted to take.
Rooney's a kid, and for anyone to think he is more shrewd than Rio was in his day quite surprises me. People ask if it was the influence of a shrewd agent, the money at United, the money elsewhere, the doubt about Uniteds Glazered future, anger at Fergusons perceived cold shoulder, a way to flee from the situation at home or the situation with the media, or frustration due to lack of form after injury and a(nother) disappointing championship with England. What is rather obvious is that most or all of these things actually has taken place, and even during the same short period of time. I'm not surprised how it all can be a bit too much for a boy. The difference between King Eric, who wanted to quit United and England, and Rooney, was that the former was four years older and rather more intelligent, enough so not to speak his mind in front of the journalists so that it was less messy for us supporters when he let himself be convinced by the Almighty Gaffer to stay anyway. "When the seagulls ..." etc. Does anyone expect Wazza from Croxteth to be able to come up with stuff like that?
i don't know, i loved Wayne, but he's been disgraceful the last week or so...he'll have to win me over again, and he probably will...
This is probably the biggest damage of the little saga. Not saying I believe these rumours, because I don't, but from now on any article or suggestion Rooney could be going wouldn't seem ludicrous.
It was obviously both. 1) keeping him at the club another year or two. 2) get the most for him. If United knew he was leaving in a couple of years of course they are going to do what they can to get a lot of money for the best player in the world.
You bloody hope.
Meh.
We need Rooney. In fact, we will need at least one more creative player. Moreover, Rooney leaving could have cause other players to have second thoughts..
On the other hand, he disrespected the club. Not happy with that.
So on the balance -meh
We need Rooney. In fact, we will need at least one more creative player. Moreover, Rooney leaving could have cause other players to have second thoughts..
On the other hand, he disrespected the club. Not happy with that.
So on the balance -meh
I'm not impressed. I'm just glad we are now in a better position to sell him for a massive profit when the time comes.
Happy is beginning to catch up on meh now.
Another couple of poor results vs the likes of Stoke, Spurs and Villa and "meh" will be comprehensively beaten by "Happy"
Another couple of poor results vs the likes of Stoke, Spurs and Villa and "meh" will be comprehensively beaten by "Happy"
It's a hell of a lot more complicated than those 3. I'm still feeling angry and confused, but I kind of wanna shout "we've got Wayne Rooney"