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Maybe unrelated but if he went to us immediatly instead of Madrid he would've been amazing. I just know that. It's mine fingerspitzengefühl telling me that.
In 9 months Moyes took a club who won the league by 12 points to 7th and destroyed the winning mentality of the club, and during his time and afterwards everyone went to OT thinking they could win.Under Moyes, we had retained the values and the changes was easily reversible. What Mou did was destroy the fabric of the club, divide our base and it just seemed a club in a civil war
He warned us about the virus way beforehand.
I agree and I'd add he finally got rid of Rooney to the list of positives.His first season we won two trophies.
Loved Zlatan being here.
Beating Juventus in Italy felt like our biggest result in Euroe
He gave a lot of faith to Rashford as well as McTominay. Jose was questioned every week about his youth policy when he provided more minutes to youngsters than any top 6 manager in the first couple of seasons.
It didn’t work out but he’s been our most successful manager post Ferguson. Maybe the board should have listened to him or sacked him before giving him a new contract. After all our first main target after we sacked him was to pay a world record fee for a CB.
I believe what Moyes did could have been fixed by spending more money - our players were old, and everyone knows Fergie was overachieving in his final few seasons. Mourinho basically divided our fanbase, in addition to leaving a poor side behind.In 9 months Moyes took a club who won the league by 12 points to 7th and destroyed the winning mentality of the club, and during his time and afterwards everyone went to OT thinking they could win.
Yes, Jose imploded as he usually does, but it’s nothing like the utter disaster that was Moyes.
Pretty much this.Think we are being a bit too unkind.
Lots of positives, mostly early on:
There are of course, far more negatives than positives, but the point stands that he wasn't a complete disaster and actually did some good for the club, at least not until season 3.
- Dropped Rooney from starting position and let him go when previous two managers were reluctant
- Won a couple of trophies
- Qualified for Champions League twice
- Finished second during a time where the league is at its most competitive
- Brought a special player to the club in Zlatan, who made a huge contribution in his first season
- Identified McTominay, and put a lot of faith in him early on where a lot of us were not quite seeing his potential (he also could have easily ruined his career by playing him at CB to try and prove a point to the board, but that's another story)
- Dull football and tactics aside, he actually made Fellaini useful and a match winner on many occasions
But was that because of Mourinho or in spite of him?Was debating this with someone.
I think the immediate thing is that he brought a bit of silverware such as the Europa League, League Cup.
Exactly. His approach to recruitment was to go round with a cheque book buying players and fitting them into a team afterwards. The ones that didn't fit at the end were left on the bench, where they became disgruntled and future troublemakers for him. Anyone can be a genius manager that way.He had a raging hard-on for Nainggolan, Jerome Boateng and Peresic.
I think he may have sold Rashford and Martial if given the chance.
He could have left some real damage had he been given a licence to do whatever he wanted. In his first stint at Chelsea there was no FFP, so if he bought a player for 60m that he didn't like, it was fine as he was given another 60m to buy another, and at the time this was hailed as him being a genius.
yes clearly disagree, so we will leave it there.I believe what Moyes did could have been fixed by spending more money - our players were old, and everyone knows Fergie was overachieving in his final few seasons. Mourinho basically divided our fanbase, in addition to leaving a poor side behind.
Anyways, we'd have to agree to disagree on this
Made us relevant again.Agree with this post. Mourinho had his negatives but he at least made us relevant again. Plus Zlatan will now always be a successful united player, and that's very cool
Yeah it's weird change of narrative. He had a hand in the recruitment of Pogba but most of the forum saw it as Eds signing for shirt sales rather than footballing reasons. Fred and lindelof were said to also be club signings "Jose wouldn't sign a weak defender or small midfielder "Fred may came in during his time, but pretty sure that's more of a club signing rather than Mou's choice/demand. He still used Fred of course and praised him at times.
Agreed. It went sour in the end but it doesn't negate that he was probably our best manager since Fergie. Ole has done well in patches but he hasn't won anything and our league position doesn't lie.Think we are being a bit too unkind.
Lots of positives, mostly early on:
There are of course, far more negatives than positives, but the point stands that he wasn't a complete disaster and actually did some good for the club, at least not until season 3.
- Dropped Rooney from starting position and let him go when previous two managers were reluctant
- Won a couple of trophies
- Qualified for Champions League twice
- Finished second during a time where the league is at its most competitive
- Brought a special player to the club in Zlatan, who made a huge contribution in his first season
- Identified McTominay, and put a lot of faith in him early on where a lot of us were not quite seeing his potential (he also could have easily ruined his career by playing him at CB to try and prove a point to the board, but that's another story)
- Dull football and tactics aside, he actually made Fellaini useful and a match winner on many occasions
Not sure Fred was his buy (could be wrong here but apparently it was a Woody buy after a McKenna recommendation).Trophies, McTom, Fred.
He wasn't played that much. I really wouldn't give Mourinho credit for Fred, especially as he only really improved under Ole.Fred may came in during his time, but pretty sure that's more of a club signing rather than Mou's choice/demand. He still used Fred of course and praised him at times.
If I remember correctly, any signing that didn't work out was called a club signing rather than a Jose signing, as yet another way to defend him. The only one I recall being unequivocally called a Jose signing was Ibra. The mental gymnastics our fanbase went through while he was here. My God.Yeah it's weird change of narrative. He had a hand in the recruitment of Pogba but most of the forum saw it as Eds signing for shirt sales rather than footballing reasons. Fred and lindelof were said to also be club signings "Jose wouldn't sign a weak defender or small midfielder "
This + We're never gonna have him here again.That he’s gone.
He broke us so that we could be reborn a new.
1. Took us to our rock bottom which meant that we finally had to correct our strategy in the market and now you can see that we are heading towards the right track.
So what you are all saying is that afer LVG laid the foundations, Mourinho took a sledge hammer to it and then laid us new ones?That he took us to such a negative and horrible place that the club seemed to realise it itself had to change its strategy.