[Bobcat]

Not giving up quite yet. We completely dominated them and got fecked by stupid mistakes and an incompetent ref

• Lindelof loses a routine header and Maguire is in no mans land which means they get a goal from a fecking GK
• Cahill should have been off for pulling down Martial and preventing 1v1 with the keeper
• Not awarded the most blatant penalty i've seen in recent years. If it 1-1 with 60 mins left, we win that game
• Missed a penalty with tiniest margins. Half a millimeter to the right and it goes in
• Idiotic mistake from Pogba and De Gea cost us dearly in injury time

 

[Swearing Budgie]

I note you made no comments on "no mistake" James.

Surely Pogba is held to a higher standard than someone who just came from the Championship for 15mill?

 

[theklr]

Not giving up quite yet. We completely dominated them and got fecked by stupid mistakes and an incompetent ref

• Lindelof loses a routine header and Maguire is in no mans land which means they get a goal from a fecking GK
• Cahill should have been off for pulling down Martial and preventing 1v1 with the keeper
• Not awarded the most blatant penalty i've seen in recent years. If it 1-1 with 60 mins left, we win that game
• Missed a penalty with tiniest margins. Half a millimeter to the right and it goes in
• Idiotic mistake from Pogba and De Gea cost us dearly in injury time

Exactly. People can talk all about making your own luck, but with a young team which lacks lots of games together, bad luck will happen. Just hope that was we’ve used our quota now...

 

[deleon]

All records are meant to be broken

Especially when match buildup mentions number of years/games in which United have not lost against upcoming opposition.

 

[Shipperley]

Very pleased with the result of course. Last season we won at The Etihad and The Emirates, scored four at the King Power, scored three at Anfield and drew with you at OT so we are no mugs going to the big teams. All of their forums made similar grim reading ‘we shouldn’t be losing to a crap Palace side’ etc. but this is our game under Roy and we are good at it. I wish I could say the same when we play the likes of Brighton, Sheff Utd etc but that’s a whole different story. I guess there are some parallels to you guys in that respect but long story short, I don’t think you need to overreact to the result and I saw positive signs in your performance yesterday.

Obviously for the first goal there is no way Schlupp should be winning that flick-on, I’ve never seen him win a header in my life before let alone outjumping a centre back for it. We also have a crazy record against a defence with Harry Maguire in it, think it’s something like 15 scored in 5 games, so I was kind of pleased when you signed him! **edit, it’s 22 goals in 7 games, even worse!**

It’s a long season and you won’t be the last big club we knick something from on the road. I like what Utd are doing with nurturing young British players, in fact (Lingard aside) it’s the most likeable Utd team in a while. Best of luck for the rest of the season.

 

[Cockney Phil]

Watching the game again the morning after is not very pleasant. I do think the Prem needs to review how VAR and the ref’s are supposed to work. There were some very dodgy decisions yesterday, which VAR failed to resolve. But - we lost to two fair and well taken goals.

Our biggest problem in the game was unlocking blocked/packed defences. We get through but the final pass is dreadful. Pogba pulled off the pass of the season and everybody stood and watched! The ball was pinging from left to right. A few direct plays cut through and one led to the penalty. We need a playmaker for this group of players. Mata and Pogba can do it but they think too far ahead and the other players are simply not tuned in. Maybe someone like Garner is on their wavelength...

McT falls like a pro and can run around but the rest of his game is quite limited. Jesse also runs around a lot in his own universe. Pogba ends up with no real support and when he takes a risk is left exposed if he loses the ball. This was the second game in a row where Ander was patently a huge loss.

Rashford is either mad or brilliant! I don’t get his ‘rash’ shooting but the pen was well placed and just 2 inches to the right and it was a goal. Martial’s injury killed our impetus, we lost direction although James came up with a great goal. We need to recognise the Welsh Wizard is not a Mickey Thomas nor a Giggsy.

The defence was a revelation. What could go wrong did. Lindelhof made the same mistakes as previous calamities and the new full back exposed his weaknesses against his former club! Shaw is injury prone, is that the second time since the pre-season? The goalie is not a captain!

Yesterday, Ole reminded me of Wilf McGuiness with his unbridled trust in players - they might yet destroy him. Wilf won a few good games but lacked something and no one knew why until after he’d gone. Over-reliance on certain key players who were not up to it, over-reliance on older players, and battering away at Leeds like defences and getting nowhere. Old school Roy was a bit of a lesson in how to extract professional trust from players, including Zaha.

Strategically, the absence of 4 top players from what ‘should have been’ transfers only exposes our depth of weakness. A threadbare squad and no plan B!

 

[Bristol_Red_87]

People criticising Lindelof for the first goal should avert their attention more to Maquire. A centre back should sniff the danger there and he switched off. That said, he needs time to form a partnership with VL so we'll chalk this up as a mishap.

As Ships said, Palace are liable to knick a goal away from home, but also liable to ship them. Lack of creativity has been our issue and will continue to be this season. Our home record will be mediocre again this season and we'll undoubtedly pick up more points away.

Play Pogba in the No.10 role. Its the best option we have at the moment and will mean when he over elaborates on the ball and surrenders possession, we have cover to win the ball back.

 

[Alemar]

Not giving up quite yet. We completely dominated them and got fecked by stupid mistakes and an incompetent ref

• Lindelof loses a routine header and Maguire is in no mans land which means they get a goal from a fecking GK
• Cahill should have been off for pulling down Martial and preventing 1v1 with the keeper
• Not awarded the most blatant penalty i've seen in recent years. If it 1-1 with 60 mins left, we win that game
• Missed a penalty with tiniest margins. Half a millimeter to the right and it goes in
• Idiotic mistake from Pogba and De Gea cost us dearly in injury time

Even if we got the result, it wouldn’t have meant the performance was good enough. We played badly, very badly, and it is about the system which doesn’t work.

When dominating the game, you need to create chances, we created very little - and it was against weak team. It happenned not for the first time, either. No creativity in the squad.

Another aspect is set pieces - looks like our players don’t work on them in training (corners, free kicks, penalties). Manager must enforce additional daily sessions for set piece takers - make them stay after every session for an hour and only shoot free kicks/penalties/take corners. Several months of additional daily trainings - and things may improve in this regard

 

[suhaylah]

I'd rather see Smalling/Tuanzebe alongside Maguire than Lindelof. The latter is a fraud.

 

[settembrini]

My god that was a frustrating game.

The complacent attitude we started the game with was annoying.
The individual blunders by Lindelof, Rashford and De Gea that cost us goals were annoying.
The multiple terrible calls from the ref that all went against us were annoying.

It was like a match that had been scripted to piss me off

 

[matt23]

Aside from the naivity in managing to lose the game I honestly didn't think we were too bad, particularly in the second half. Still lots to work on obviously but of all the daft results we've seen over the last few years, yesterday at least felt like we were trying the right things.

 

[BusbyMalone]

Crystal Palace having a go now.

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[Matt6677]

5 points already lost and its only been 3 games

We are the butt of jokes on social media. Cant stand it.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

Didn’t watch the game as I’m on holiday.

Just seen the stats though. 72% possession and 22 shots at their goal. 14 from inside their box. So I’m not gonna panic yet. We do seem short of options in midfield and up front though. Which we all saw coming. So that’s not great.

Nonetheless we’re a Rashford penalty and one decent chance for Greenwood away from being in a much better mood this week.

 

[Wolf8312]

Although poor decisions by the ref won't paper over the cracks, VAR has already proved itself a joke. Not because its not a good technology but because the officials can choose to ignore it, if and when they please.

If an official can override it with his subjective opinion then what's the point of even having it?

In my cynical opinion, in an age of dodgy russian mafia owners, and arabian oil barons, VAR should be there to stamp out any possible chance of corruption (naive to think it doesen't exist IMO) or else dogmatic officials refusing to admit they are wrong, and yet it seems obvious to me now that despite whatever one can see with his own eyes, they are still going to do whatever the hell they like.

Not saying today was a result of corruption of course but the point is when you're using TV replays in slow motion from all angles, there should be no doubts whatsoever. There is no reason any more for dodgy decisions and yet obviously we are still going to get them.

Might as well forget VAR if they are just going to ignore it. The fact that the refs subjective opinion still superceeds even reality itself, to me implies that the powers that be are still making sure that they have some ultimate control and leeway over which way a given game will go.

I might seem paranoid, but when talking about a multibillion industry with billionaire and supreamly powerful owners, there is going to be corruption. Not as if corruption in football is not without precedent either.

I was an eager supporter of VAR, but I didn't realize that this is how they were going to implement it.

 

[RedDevil@84]

Crystal Palace having a go now.

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I didn't get why United put such a post.

 

[Buster15]

5 points already lost and its only been 3 games

We are the butt of jokes on social media. Cant stand it.

You should probably know by now not to take any notice at all of social media.
Use your own judgement and not the brainless comments from others.

 

[Tonjo]

United will have problems this season when the opposing teams pack their defence. "Park the bus" as per Mourinho's terminology. Even with good wingers and players who can put in good crosses, there is no big center forward to connect them. Martial, Rashford, Greenwood are not this type of forwards.
With this lot of players, there is only 2 ways that United can resolve this issue:
1) Make the most of the free kicks given to them at the edge of the opponent's penalty or within shooting range. Players like Pogba, Rashford, Shaw, Pereira and even Young should train until perfertion on how to shoot on target.
2) Shoot from far whenever there is a chance from the forwards. They should have use Pereira as the substitute instead of Mata during the Palace game.
United may need to buy a specialist center forward in January to give them more options in attack.
Man. City does not use such forwards because all their forwards are frequently running into spaces and their skillful midfielders can pick them up easily whereas United doesn't have such forwards and midfielders.

 

[Cantonagotmehere]

Not giving up quite yet. We completely dominated them and got fecked by stupid mistakes and an incompetent ref

• Lindelof loses a routine header and Maguire is in no mans land which means they get a goal from a fecking GK
• Cahill should have been off for pulling down Martial and preventing 1v1 with the keeper
• Not awarded the most blatant penalty i've seen in recent years. If it 1-1 with 60 mins left, we win that game
• Missed a penalty with tiniest margins. Half a millimeter to the right and it goes in
• Idiotic mistake from Pogba and De Gea cost us dearly in injury time

Totally agree. We need a couple players for sure, but yesterday was not our day. Worst ref job I have seen in years.

 

[DomesticTadpole]

Totally agree. We need a couple players for sure, but yesterday was not our day. Worst ref job I have seen in years.

The referee in City's game is not great, difference is City know how to score goals.

 

[el3mel]

Not giving up quite yet. We completely dominated them and got fecked by stupid mistakes and an incompetent ref

• Lindelof loses a routine header and Maguire is in no mans land which means they get a goal from a fecking GK
• Cahill should have been off for pulling down Martial and preventing 1v1 with the keeper
• Not awarded the most blatant penalty i've seen in recent years. If it 1-1 with 60 mins left, we win that game
• Missed a penalty with tiniest margins. Half a millimeter to the right and it goes in
• Idiotic mistake from Pogba and De Gea cost us dearly in injury time

We dominated a team that came with no intention to attacl and were aiming from the very first second to defend with 10 players and get a draw before we gifted them the first goal. I don't find anything spectacular in us dominating them tbh. The fact we struggled to break them or create clear cut chances is what's more concerning. Several teams will come to Old Trafford and do as Palace did.

 

[Cantonagotmehere]

The referee in City's game is not great, difference is City know how to score goals.

Can't argue. We need help there. But the ref was pathetic.

 

[DomesticTadpole]

Can't argue. We need help there. But the ref was pathetic.

Definitely. We shouldn't be relying on penalties, they are a bonus for good attacking play. We should be scoring goals anyway.

 

[mattsville]

I think it was frustrating again and ultimately the game was decided on circumstance and mistakes, Lindelof should win his header, he does'nt, Maguire should be covering, he was'nt, he was way over to the left I think he may have been in that position to cover Shaw as at the time Shaw had just done his hammer, but he should cover centrally as a priority as if lindelof does not win the header they have a 1v1 which is exactly what happened. Missed pen and then DDG making another howler. All in between that however, we were not brave enough attacking, they had all their players behind the ball from the off and we shadow boxed in a lethargic way to try get through them, it smacked to me of caution, you need to commit more men forward to combat that and we did not do that, we did a little bit in the 2nd half where for the first time we got a midfielder in behind their defence, Scott burst through and won the pen, but that was it. That is 2 games in a row where you think to yourself, how hard did we work their keeper, forget all the possession, any team can do that, we need to be braver and commit more men forward in attack, and big decisions now for Ole as Lingard was awful again and you seriously have to question DDG, it is the type of situation where SAF would pull him out regardless of his reputation.

 

[mitchmouse]

Maybe now some of those who were abusing those of us who expressed worries pre-season see why we raised concerns. but, heh, probably not.

For the millionth time: we lack at least one creative midfielder and it was a joke to sell herrera and lukaku and replace neither. once again, Pogba's dwelling on the ball cost us - this time hugely - although I accept he created the goal. I've said before, that he should be told to play two touches (three at most) but I don't think he wants to be here.

For their first goal, I have no idea where the defence was, and one again DDG proves to be not the bravest of keepers, he so rarely dives at player's feet and he was horribly at fault for the second. Pretty irrelevant because I don't think he wants to stay either.

All that said, if fecking VAR did its job we'd have won. How the first one wasn't a penalty I have no idea and how the foul on martial (outside the area) wasn't, again I have no idea. No fecking point using it if the cretins watching don't know the ruies of the game.

And how the ref could book James makes me think he didn't know the rules too well either

 

[VidaRed]

Were fecked bois.

 

[steve.crowford]

Mars-Rash-Greenwood trio actions against Crystal Palace http://bit.ly/2L73nTw

 

[wolvored]

He was better than McTominay definitely.

Keane I'm on about. Keane was a wc midfielder. Fletcher was an average premier midfielder

 

[wolvored]

Most of our limited players are English talents. lingard, rashford, daniel James and mctominay. This might be why we struggle to create.

2 are not English

 

[Random Task]

Keane I'm on about. Keane was a wc midfielder. Fletcher was an average premier midfielder

Harsh.

Fletch was on his way to becoming a fine central midfielder before a freak-illness cut his United career short.

He was instrumental to our 2008 CL winning team.

 

[Sterling Archer]

Not giving up quite yet. We completely dominated them and got fecked by stupid mistakes and an incompetent ref

• Lindelof loses a routine header and Maguire is in no mans land which means they get a goal from a fecking GK
• Cahill should have been off for pulling down Martial and preventing 1v1 with the keeper
• Not awarded the most blatant penalty i've seen in recent years. If it 1-1 with 60 mins left, we win that game
• Missed a penalty with tiniest margins. Half a millimeter to the right and it goes in
• Idiotic mistake from Pogba and De Gea cost us dearly in injury time

This is all true. But we didn't create enough. That's what is most concerning because it's been a problem for a long time and we didn't make the buys to improve nor have we played the youth that we think is so promising (ie Gomes).

 

[Casanova85]

Rocky start by the Spurs too. Could have easily lost their match vs City as well.

With any luck and commitment, if we can learn from the travesty vs Palace (ultra-defensive teams dangerous on the counter) the race for the 3rd-4th places should be opened for us all season.

 

[wolvored]

Didn’t watch the game as I’m on holiday.

Just seen the stats though. 72% possession and 22 shots at their goal. 14 from inside their box. So I’m not gonna panic yet. We do seem short of options in midfield and up front though. Which we all saw coming. So that’s not great.

Nonetheless we’re a Rashford penalty and one decent chance for Greenwood away from being in a much better mood this week.

3 on target. You can have 50 shots if they are going 5-10 yards wide or high of the goal, it doesnt really count.

 

[wolvored]

Harsh.

Fletch was on his way to becoming a fine central midfielder before a freak-illness cut his United career short.

He was instrumental to our 2008 CL winning team.

Over his career here he was average. If he had have been born 5 years earlier you would never have heard of him playing for Utd.

 

[KennyBurner]

2 are not English

Yh for some odd reason I always group Great Britain as english. My bad.

 

[Big Ben Foster]

Harsh.

Fletch was on his way to becoming a fine central midfielder before a freak-illness cut his United career short.

He was instrumental to our 2008 CL winning team.

I loved Fletcher but this bit isn't true. He was a squad player with about 20 appearances that season - didn't establish himself as an important player until the following season.

 

[macheda14]

Harsh.

Fletch was on his way to becoming a fine central midfielder before a freak-illness cut his United career short.

He was instrumental to our 2008 CL winning team.

He was instrumental to our almost 2009 CL team. The narrative is we would have won if not for that terrible refereeing decision in the semi-final 2nd leg.

 

[Bobcat]

This is all true. But we didn't create enough. That's what is most concerning because it's been a problem for a long time and we didn't make the buys to improve nor have we played the youth that we think is so promising (ie Gomes).

That is also true, but take a look at this
https://www.reddit.com/r/reddevils/comments/cv96oo/refvar_review_2_electric_boogaloo_vs_crystal/

Basically, Palace were allowed to make cynical foul after cynical foul with impunity, breaking down all of our best moves

 

[gr3yham3]

That is also true, but take a look at this
https://www.reddit.com/r/reddevils/comments/cv96oo/refvar_review_2_electric_boogaloo_vs_crystal/

Basically, Palace were allowed to make cynical foul after cynical foul with impunity, breaking down all of our best moves

i just read that reddit post too.. from early on, the ref just let them get away with things, thus setting the tone for the remainder of the match.

 

[rotherham_red]

In hindsight, if we were going to lose to Palace in any game week, having it in the same week where Spurs lose to an even worse Newcastle, and Arsenal getting battered by Liverpool, is not too bad I suppose...