That’s a pretty stupid argument though. As I’d say we will only very rarely see all three of them start together. And possibly never again as part of a starting line-up as under-strength we saw today (no Casemiro, no Eriksen, no Antony, no Martinez, no Varane) So we’re not in a situation where they’re being “relied upon to get results” Plus the fact we still came away with all three points in what could have been a very tricky fixture (new manager, bitter rivals, away game, fired up after good recent result against us etc) makes those concerns even more redundant.
So your argument is that the aforementioned players "can (all) be upgraded," but it's not really "urgent" because: 1) "They will only very rarely" play together and 2) "We s
till" won today (with your use of italics implying that this is more
in spite of them rather than
due to them)? If so, I am not sure I really get the point you're making. It would seem to be some sort of semantical argument about the urgency and immediacy of the required upgrade (an argument that wasn't made by the OP)...not an argument that there is no need to upgrade. Is that correct?
You asserted that the three players all have different qualities. Fair point. So let me share my brief thoughts about each player. Perhaps you can tell me where you specifically disagree? My opinion is that Weghorst is not adequate to the task based on the handful of matches he has played for United so far. That's not a big deal, because I don't think he's a permanent solution up top. If he were a new signing with a multi-year contract with United, I might be a little more patient. But give that he's here on loan and that he is unlikely to be back, the need for an upgraded starter at CF is an immediate and urgent need. He's a massive hole on the pitch for this team who brings relatively little to the table as CF. He lacks pace, brings nothing to our hold up play, has zero ability to create off the dribble, and has missed in the relatively few opportunities to score that he's had/created. I think he was an important "miss" in our January window. I know we didn't have a ton of funding to back a transfer, but I think he's a downgrade from Martial/Rashford so far.
Maguire is a huge liability in the back. He’s better this year than last, but his lack of pace and slow rate of play present big problems for this team when he has to be relied upon to start. He also has a pension for major mistakes, and given the point about his lack of pace, he doesn't have the ability to make up for said mistakes. On another day, his errors might have led to a goal or two. We are fortunate Leeds was not clinical. Bringing in Licha and moving Shaw to LB helped provide cover for Maguire, which seemed to settle things down a bit. But the point remains that he is a huge liability, as was clearly evident today (and for the last couple years prior as well). I think there is little doubt he is sold this summer if they can get anything for him. Do you disagree?
Fred has moments where he looks like he can contribute…especially next to Casemiro. He makes good runs and has been a bit more clinical in front of the goal this year. But Fred is simply not good enough to be the first guy off the bench in the CM, and he certainly can't fill in for Casemiro as a holding midfielder. Of the three aforementioned players, Fred is the only one who I can even imagine playing for United next year...though I hope to see him sold and United upgrade the position. Fred, like Maguire, is hugely mistake prone. He is not press resistant, doesn't bring vision or creativity, and isn't a great dribbler. In very specific situations, Fred is the kind of guy that you can put on the pitch to harass the opposition, but he doesn't consistently win tackles and is too small to be dominant in the air. If Fred is here next year, I hope it is as the last player on the bench.
So in my view, the need to upgrade those three
is urgent (with two being more urgent than the third). We can’t do it until the summer anyway, so we aren’t getting immediate help there. But given that Maguire and Fred have a history of these types of performances, it’s not hard to imagine them costing us points or trophies this season.
If you disagree, great! You are entitled to your opinion. But I'm still waiting for you to counterpoint the claim by arguing that those three players are a net positive on the roster…not merely that we can survive them...if in fact, you actually do believe that. Let's have a debate without insulting each other (can we avoid unnecessary comments like “that’s a stupid argument”?). After all, we both bleed United red. No reason to be disrespectful to each other.