10% would be the the average for most paid event no-shows. Work, travel issues (breakdowns, flights, trains etc), sickness, Can't be bothered to attend due to form or opposition etc - will always be people who just cant make it for whatever reason.
Prem clubs lying about match attendance figures, City by 10k a match
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These ghost fans also buy 10 drinks each per match, but 3 full kits for them and their full kit wanker buddies and donate an extra £50 each to the City JustGiving page
All of that is true, but that doesn't change the fact that City had, to quote Danny Dyer, a right touch with that deal.
At the time Eastlands was built there was no way City could afford to spend £110m on a new stadium. But the Commonwealth Games gave them the chance to rent someone else's, and on extremely generous terms - I read in one report that the rental payment was voided if the attendance dipped below 32,000.
The Sheikhs had the money to build a new ground themselves, but the fact that City had a shiny new stadium would certainly have made them more atrractive when Mansour was deciding which middle-of-the-road club to buy up back in 2008.
I was going to say that not only do all top level football clubs do that (another obvious example is Barcelona. Just looking at the stands after reading the attendance figures would have you rolling on the floor laughing ), but so to do most top teams in other sports.
Most NBA teams inflate the attendance. I've attended playoff games where a sellout crowd was announced, and I could clearly see pockets of empty space seats scattered all over.
Boxing regularly does it, as does WWE (chreographed wrestling). They have been known to inflate attendance by up to 15,000 fans in order to set attendance records.
Indeed, at first I thought it would be noticeable at first glance but it really wouldn’t. 1 in 10 empty seat is probably what I would expect looking around me during games.
Even looking at my history I would say that I personally skipped 5% or so of events I had bought the tickets to, and for season ticket holders this number goes up significantly because they did not pick all the games.
You said I was recently banned. That is a blatant lie.
You lie about attendance.
We all know that the UAE project at City cook the books. That's just the way it is. Get over yourself.
Everybody knows it so no point in denying itvonna United fan forum.
The blues i work with are the same TBH. In some ways it's a coping mechanism. It's better to believe a lie than admit the truth.
I don't understand why they don't employ seat fillers. They do this at awards ceremonies like the Oscars. It looks alot better on tv. The seat fillers could also be used to convey subliminal advertising. We are told that City have some of the best business brains in the world. They must surely see how it hurts the brand having thousands upon thousands of empty seats in the stadium showing to viewers around the globe.
'somewhat dubious chairman'.
Understatement of the year right there
He wasn't perfect but he didn't sell dodgy meat to schools or stalk ladies in toilets, guess no one is perfect. He was a complete a*** though.
On this particular side note, how much of this is falsely inflating their income levels? The whole FFP side of City is already a complete joke with their owners sponsoring themselves and making up revenue streams.
I would imagine that if they were completely truthful about profit/loss, they would be running at multi million losses every season.
I still can’t get my head around why it’s allowed.
Doesn’t this claim circle around every couple for every club?
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2013/apr/12/manchester-united-attendances-police-figures
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2013/apr/12/manchester-united-attendances-police-figures
It's over 9000...
I can assure you mate some of those figures are utter bollocks. The Saints match for a starters there were maybe a 3-4 thousand seats empty tops. But nearly 16 thousands?
And most other games I would only say it's a couple of thousand seasoncard holders not turning up per game at the most. How the feck they have up to 10'000 missing at most games is nonsense.
That would be highly illegal, and definitely won’t be happening. People have made a case that our sponsorships are inflated because of where they come from, but to just lie about revenue is an entirely different ball game. How do you see that going?
“Oh, let’s say we sold 5,000 more tickets, pretend we got an extra £150,000 revenue and put that through the P&L?”
Arsenal is surely the worst. Always give the attendance was 59-60k when the crowd is struggling to even reach 50k.
It's actually because Man City have blue seats, which looks more empty than red seats on the electronic teller the police use.
Excellent!!!
Wouldn't surprise me if true. What do City gain by inflating their attendance numbers?
They can write down extra revenue into the book perhaps?
It's in the S*n. It has to be true.
JFT 96.
JFT 96.
Haha true, Edwards was an absolute wrong 'un. Imagine the number of cameras that are hidden in the women's toilets At OT.
Neither can I to be honest but it’s seemed it’s just accepted at the moment. It seems to me as if they dont have the nerve to send City crashing down because that’s exactly what would happen if they enforced the rules properly.
Just goes to show what i always say, city have no fans outside of stockport
This has been discussed many times....
I agree some of the lesser games are way below the official attendance figure, but some of those big game figures are way off.
One explanation is that execs aren't taken into account, as they walk into the ground and don't go through turnstiles, thus police figures don't include them.
You'd be surprised at how many seats are execs at Old Trafford.
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/old-trafford-capacity-statistics.313462/
And Didsbury.
They definitely cannot. It doesn’t work like that.
They can easily inflate their tickets sold by selling season tickets/corporate boxes and literally just going through a third party to buy up their tickets and dump it for cheap for students looking for some cheap entertainment.
Oh! Thanks.
Need figures for Arsenal yesterday.
United's ?
Attendence is based on turnstiles surely. For health and saftey reasons any club would have to know the exact amount of people in rhe stadium at all times, no? I doubt the club would even get insurance at the ground without a system to manage the numbers.
feck off. Went the railway for the derby last year. About three city fans in the packed pub.
If you get Arabian sponsorship for your stadium, is it part of the agreement that it looks like a desert on match days?
It was like that at Arsenal yesterday too.
It was like that at Arsenal yesterday too.
Arsenal seemed half empty but supposedly had over 50,000+ there. What a load of rubbish.
I don't know about others' lying but out 75k sounded very quiet on TV the other night.
Emptihad is apt.
I bet you guys even photoshopped the few supporters wearing red in that friendly we played in the states a couple of years ago.
That was Marca, wasn't it? They phoyoshopped some of the United fans so that it appeared that there was a higher amount of Real Madrid fans relative to United fans, than there actual were.
There was another controversy in a league match a few years back, where Marca photoshopped a defender out of a picture in an attempt to insinuate that a Barcelona player was offside when he had scored a goal in their previous league match. Mind you, I don't think the competing Catalan papers are any better.
I bet you guys photoshopped that article to make it look like we photoshopped those pictures.