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Premier League Gameweek 2
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To be fair, we saw the effect of what can happen when your best defender is out. We were quite poor without Maguire.
I can’t believe Arsenal signed two players that don’t really improve them over how they were last season over signing Bissouma.
They were top after 15 games in December, while Van Dijk got injured in the 5th game, in October. So, it's just not Van Dijk. However, you want to spin it, Liverpool had regular injuries to players whose cumulative effect was quite significant. Plus, Klopp's boneheaded move to play Fabinho and Henderson lost them the balance.
This one injury claim is disingenuous at best. They were playing Phillips and Rhys Williams at CB, for the large part of the season.
When did I say they were playing great? Actually, I quite clearly said both Liverpool and City made poor starts to the season, but when have titles been won by playing ''great''? They are won by grinding out victories when playing poorly. United did it year after year under Sir Alex.
Why not? We were pretty close to City until we decided to throw it away against clubs we should have been beating. They lost 6 games (same amount as us). They weren't exactly the invincibles were they?
Liverpool lost all their defenders last season and tried to get by, by playing midfielders or kids, poor signings and the likes back there. It's obvious they're in the title race if their defenders stay fit.
It's hard for defenders to defend in that system if they don't have the quality for it. Personally I think they're the favorites this season.
It's hard for defenders to defend in that system if they don't have the quality for it. Personally I think they're the favorites this season.
Bissouma makes the game look rather easy. Sign of a top player.
Watford are gonna struggle to stay up.
He is a really good player, also what do people think of Potter?
If you have to state that you’re being the bigger man, then you’re not the bigger man. Sorry
Spurs not even considering him for their job was major defeat for english coaches
Ok. Thanks for your input, I guess.....
He might have turned them down to be fair, most of the did.
Everton and Spurs needed new managers in the summer. I felt Potter should have been frontrunner for one of those jobs.
Would like to see Potter at a club like Everton could also be a option for Arsenal...
Thought he turned them down (something about him being offered only a 1-yr deal)?
Agree, Arsenal looks like a good call. His style and working on a budget. Think he is a very good manager.
Ah, nevermind then
Is Doge Coin a sleeve sponsor for Watford?
Apparently it is. I better buy some more.
He’s been his usual quality self
I think we’ll either look to develop Garner further or/and go for a younger version in one of the French lads we’re linked with. Bissouma would cost £50 mill I’d say which is cheaper than Rice but maybe we can save a shed load
Deeney has no business still being a Prem player
11 days still to get Bissouma, get on the phone Ole!
With Amad wanting a PL loan I’d like to see him under Potter at Brighton.
They don’t play wingers though.
He can easily play through the middle.
I didn't say you said they were playing great. You've completely misunderstood. Despite saying they were playing poor before the injuries (several more times than mentioning the Villa game), you've kept banging on about the Villa game being my 'only evidence.' For you to acknowledge it now is a little strange considering all you've said before. Clearly my opinion wasn't formed because of one game but you've decided to maintain that bizarre claim anyway.
Correct. Year after year we won the PL. And now, City are going through a phase of winning consistently as well. Liverpool won it once. This 'blip' has come about as frequently as Liverpool winning the PL.
Because it's a feat that's never been achieved. When something is incredibly rare, it's inherently hard to achieve and even harder to replicate. How often do teams defend their titles? How often do teams win 21 games on the bounce? How often did teams get circa 100 points in a single season? Or go unbeaten away from home all season? It flies in the face of common sense to expect them to do it again just because they did it once before. Particularly when that team had been playing poorly, recorded their worst ever defeat in the premier league, the players that played before and after the injuries put in consistently poor performances, and a better team with a better squad went on a record breaking streak in a gruelling season where heavy rotation would've been needed to compete anyway.
What’s the point in that if we would play him as a winger?
A winger with licence to cut inside. Brighton are also very fluid going forward. He just needs to play in a good footballing team that won’t be scrapping for their lives.
Heard a comment during the second half that Matip had now (at that point in the half) played more minutes this season than the whole of last season.
He was my MotM today. People just don't realise how good he is because he doesn't stay injury free enough. Liverpool fans know.
It was mainly down to Klopp and whoever else is in charge of transfers. I've basically said as much in my posts.
I know they didn't only have one injury, but what title challenging squad enters a season with just three (injury prone) centre backs? It was terrible squad management. In 09/10 when United lost 3-0 to Fulham with a back three of De Laet, Fletcher and Carrick, we were missing Ferdinand, Vidic, Brown, O'Shea and Evans. The only one injury prone (at that time) was Brown.
You've just agreed with me regarding van Dijk. The injuries weren't the issue. The issue was with management of the squad, and that includes both transfers (in and out) and matchday lineups.
I'd say the bulk of the blame for how their season panned out lies with Klopp, and the bulk of the rest with their transfer committee/board. It's not at all disingenuous to say that they only had one key injury given that Gomez has an average of 14 league games per season in his 7 years as a senior footballer (and only two seasons of 20+ appearances) and Matip only made 9 appearances the season before.
They beat Villa last week.
This season the bottom 2 will be Norwich and Crystal Palace. The last place will be between about 3-4 clubs.
Norwich are shite.
Crystal Palace are frankly a mess. I said it a few weeks ago. They have absolutely no goals in their team. They struggle to score and that’s why woy put Zaha up front. They have no addressed it and it’s finally going to cost them. Viera will be gone by end of October.
City had their one bogey team (Spurs) last week and one bend over today (Norwich).
Liverpool had everyone's favourite whipping boys Norwich last week and a mini bogey team Burnley today.
Chelsea had a sort of bend over team last week and a bogey tomorrow.
Utd had their bend over Leeds and a mini bogey team tomorrow.
Tomorrow's games could be interesting.
Liverpool had everyone's favourite whipping boys Norwich last week and a mini bogey team Burnley today.
Chelsea had a sort of bend over team last week and a bogey tomorrow.
Utd had their bend over Leeds and a mini bogey team tomorrow.
Tomorrow's games could be interesting.
Yeah, I'm not too optimistic for Vieira as well. The wholesale changes they've made to their squad remind me a bit of Sunderland's summer transfers under Di Canio.
Your reply to my first comment was "they were looking dodgy before then. The 7-2 loss to Villa came when they pretty much had a full side". You used Villa to reference their poor start. Then when I mentioned City to counteract your argument, saying they also made a poor start, you then said "they didn't lose in such fashion, making it entirely different". Again, mentioning the Villa game.
Fact is, statistically, Liverpool made a better start to the season than City, managing to conjure up 21 points from their first 10 games, with City managing 15.
You kept going on about how Liverpool "were getting smashed by the likes of Villa before the injuries, so to say their blip was purely down to injuries doesn't really float". Who else did they get smashed against?
Liverpool did win it once, and I believe, as I said in my initial post before you wanted to be so pedantic, that I believe they would have challenged again without crucial injuries to their team. Who's to say they wouldn't have won it again? Absolutely no one, apart from the fact they were smashed 7-2 by Villa.
Again, you're talking about the 21 wins on the bounce. That is fantastic, no doubt. But in that season, they lost 6 games and as I said, we'd (United) would have been much close to them if we didn't feck things up. Actually, wasn't it us who ended their 21 win streak, under an Ole side that went on to go unbeaten away from home all season? Yes, I think it was!
Ok. I have no energy left for this. I think it'll leave it there and we'll agree to disagree.Your reply to my first comment was "they were looking dodgy before then. The 7-2 loss to Villa came when they pretty much had a full side". You used Villa to reference their poor start. Then when I mentioned City to counteract your argument, saying they also made a poor start, you then said "they didn't lose in such fashion, making it entirely different". Again, mentioning the Villa game.
Fact is, statistically, Liverpool made a better start to the season than City, managing to conjure up 21 points from their first 10 games, with City managing 15.
You kept going on about how Liverpool "were getting smashed by the likes of Villa before the injuries, so to say their blip was purely down to injuries doesn't really float". Who else did they get smashed against?
Liverpool did win it once, and I believe, as I said in my initial post before you wanted to be so pedantic, that I believe they would have challenged again without crucial injuries to their team. Who's to say they wouldn't have won it again? Absolutely no one, apart from the fact they were smashed 7-2 by Villa.
Again, you're talking about the 21 wins on the bounce. That is fantastic, no doubt. But in that season, they lost 6 games and as I said, we'd (United) would have been much close to them if we didn't feck things up. Actually, wasn't it us who ended their 21 win streak, under an Ole side that went on to go unbeaten away from home all season? Yes, I think it was!
That's like music to my ears.Ok. I have no energy left for this. I think it'll leave it there and we'll agree to disagree.
