Pronouncing foreign players' names
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Nik (@Rood) and Imran (@Annihilate Now!) discuss United's fantastic win away against Athletic Club in the semi-final of the Europa League.
They also pick out the positives of United's 4-3 loss away at Brentford, and Nik reviews a day out at Old Trafford watching Manchester United Women qualify for the Champions League.
Didn't see this first time around, and with the thread revived and me bored, here's me making a fist of it:
[o:lœ gʉnɑr so:lʃæ:r]
Why can't English commentators pronounce simply Irish names such as Keogh and Fahey? And previously Kinsella? I mean they often co-commentate with an "Irish" commentator who will call them by their proper pronunciations, yet the English commentators can't do it? I can't understand it.
Hiberno-English sounds are not always easy for other English speakers to replicate. The emphasis on different parts of the word (KIN-sella vs Kin-SELL-a) is partly due to the influence of Gaeilge AFAIK.
I'm no expert though.
It's a bit like Irish people refusing to say Thames correctly.
On that note, did you ever hear an English person trying to pronounce Ballaghdereen?
Or an American saying Galway?
It would hurt your ears.
Wish some Premier League club would sign Anicet Andrianantenaina from Auxerre.
Preferably Arsenal for alliterative purposes.
Hehe - yes my portuguese friend is called Jorge - and in the beginning every one of my co-workers pronounced his name like the spanish Horr-he
After a few weeks he decided to point out that in portuguese - his name is pronounced pretty much like the english George - just slightly more Sh-sound in the beginning of the name!
Paddy Crerand is quality. He still thinks there's a lad called Jason Park plays in our midfield.
Havie-aye Furr-nandez
Why can't you pronounce "three" correctly, ye big whining eejit, ye?
Patrick Evra as well.
Joahchim... Did he really want it pronounced Joe-a-chim like they did, and not Hwahkeem? Sounded ropey to me.
It's not just foreign players -
Hitzlburger. Graham Taylor at his finest.
Nope, there are 3-4 different nasals depending on your dialect, but the two is enfant are the same - (/ɑ̃/, roughly a nasalised version of the one in trois):
French IPA Symbols - Nasal Vowels - International Phonetic Alphabet
Eriku said:
So the English commentator thing of sticking a vowel on the end is bollocks?
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Basically cos we have no idea how to pronounce Irish words, mainly because your spelling system is even dafter than ours.
Never mind foreign pronunciation. The variants on a simple one like "Newcastle" bug me. To stress the last two syllables as in Newcastle sounds stupid unless you're a Geordie and as for the southern Newcarssle....lah-de-dah
Joe Mercer used to be the best with Peelie and Usi-beeo for Pele and Eusebio
keeps us entertained
Joe Mercer used to be the best with Peelie and Usi-beeo for Pele and Eusebio
keeps us entertained
Don't they replace the 'r' with an 'æ', rather than stick an extra vowel there?
I think they pronounce It Solsjaer with emphasis on every letter I wrote. No K-sound (at least not a Northern European one).
Indeed. The part of his name they're the closest to nailing would be the 'gunnar' part.
True they do the a-er rather than ær. There is no proper K in the Norwegian pronunciation either.
We have a channel over here called SBS which 'specialise' in football. Traditionally, the Italian, Greek and Yugoslav migrants were the only ones who played 'sock-ah' here and so the presenters all tend to be of similar backgrounds and insist on pronouncing every non-Anglo sounding name with an over-exaggerated accent which annoys me terribly as I find it ridiculously pretentious.
So much so, it prompted me to email Les Murray (who was born in Hungary and is the main instigator) and Craig Foster (who despite being Anglo-Australian has also began to adhere to this practise) and tell them if they insist on pronouncing Italian teams and players in an accent, then they should adopt a Glaswegian accent when they mention Sir Alex Ferguson or face accusations of prejudice.
I didn't get a response...
So much so, it prompted me to email Les Murray (who was born in Hungary and is the main instigator) and Craig Foster (who despite being Anglo-Australian has also began to adhere to this practise) and tell them if they insist on pronouncing Italian teams and players in an accent, then they should adopt a Glaswegian accent when they mention Sir Alex Ferguson or face accusations of prejudice.
I didn't get a response...
Yup. Way easier to talk like a Norwegian than a Swede. It's probably because I'm so macho and Swedish sounds so girlie.
That's how it rings in our ears too
I wish we'd have stuck to old Norse... more insular and unique, and exudes a bit more authority. Oh wellz.
How come eight hundred years ago, Norsemen were visually terrifying and manly, pillaging and raping wherever they went, yet nowadays, Scandinavian men all look like this;
No, that's the Swedish. Less than 1/3 of the noggies I know are blonde. I think. And none of them are 12 years old.
How come eight hundred years ago, Norsemen were visually terrifying and manly, pillaging and raping wherever they went, yet nowadays, Scandinavian men all look like this;
You can't judge us all by Huseklepp. For one it's an overstatement that we're all ridiculously blonde... The Swedes are twice as blonde as us, no joke.
edit: damn you, Laph.
And Huseklepp was born in Bærum, which I believe is in Sweden.
And the really disturbing thing about the Swedish is that if they happen to not be blonde, they'll fecking go and bleach their hair:
And the really disturbing thing about the Swedish is that if they happen to not be blonde, they'll fecking go and bleach their hair:
'cept in the schools where them forrin' moslem types outnumber them ;P
It can't be an accident that all Swedes' hair colour, is that of the swede. (The meat, not the skin.)
That's how it rings in our ears too
I wish we'd have stuck to old Norse... more insular and unique, and exudes a bit more authority. Oh wellz.
Well Icelandic isn't far fro old Norse. Instead of a word like 'Skjöldr' we write it 'Skjöldur' (means shield). Add the appropriate vowel. I can read all the old Norse documents well. Some words are odd but I could translate a sentence.
Don't know why you Norwegians have to learn Bokmål and Nynorsk.
How come eight hundred years ago, Norsemen were visually terrifying and manly, pillaging and raping wherever they went, yet nowadays, Scandinavian men all look like this;
That's bullshit. The players you've seen from Iceland in the PL are a norm. You have your Guddies types. A lot of footballers are like Grétar Rafn and Heiðar Helguson. Than the odd Hermann Hreiðarsson.
Sure we have more blondes than other countries who aren't in the north but they are not the majority. The browned haired ones like myself are probably half the hair population with blonde in 2nd, and then red or black 3rd.
How come British women are so ugly? That's one of the most common stereotypes here about other countries. Brits are ugly. We do have an explanation for it. Back in the Viking days the vikings went on raids and stole all the beautiful women.
I gather you've never visited Scotland?
Don't believe for a 2nd they have a high ratio of beautiful women.
My ratio of a beautiful woman in this scenario isn't the ones you see on the silver screen. It's the type you double check, turn your head and look again when you walk past them.
Was in Manchester recently and the only time I saw lookers was in the mall. Go a bit outside a city and whoa. You're staring for other reasons than beauty.
You do all look like pansies though, the men I mean.
As for the women, I would smash all your sisters back doors in, put it that way...
As for the women, I would smash all your sisters back doors in, put it that way...
Sorry, I tried to be ironic. Anyway, British girls are generally more fun than Scandi's, for one thing irony is beyond them
Sorry, I tried to be ironic. Anyway, British girls are generally more fun than Scandi's, for one thing irony is beyond them
They're no better in the UK. Cooking and cleaning seems to be beyond them too.
Never hear of Icelanders being referred to pansies before. If you think something is girlie, weakish or pansie or gay it's probably Swedish.
We're the goddamn aryan race!
Les Murray eh? What a knobhead. Don't know who's worse, him or that Irish prick on ESPN who looks like a boiled egg with a face drawn on it. For all Les' attempts at "sophistication" I pissed meself when he pronounced Barrowclough to rhyme with "cow"