Pure attacking midfielders?

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In these modern football days I've come to realize that the position where it's easiest to find quality players, is in the attacking midfield position. The reason for this is simple: it's not an actual "position". If you're a versatile striker, you'll play as an AM. If you're a winger who can do more than just run with the ball and cross, you might also be played behind the striker. If you're a central midfielder with an extra knack of scoring goals, then you "qualify" as well.

Rooney, Hazard, Dempsey, Özil, Gerrard, Iniesta, Tevez, Götze, Cazorla, Fellaini, Lampard, Kagawa, Silva, Mata and Oscar. These are just some of the quality players out there who has appeared in the AM position relatively often in recent years. But how many of them fall under the category pure attacking midfielder?

The first thing we need to do is to find out exactly how we are going to define "pure attacking midfielder". In my opinion, a pure attacking midfielder is a player who obviously thrives in the hole behind the striker. In other words: he should not be equally good(or better) playing as a striker, winger or central midfielder. He should be obviously better as an attacking midfielder. His level is supposed to drop significantly when played out of that position. He can still be good outside the AM position of course, but there should be no doubt where his "home" is. He should have great vision, passing, close-control, and a decent goals/assist return. He's a player who thrives under quick tempo and pressure, who's pretty much the cogwheel of all the attacks. He is not a second striker, not a versatile winger, not an offensive central midfielder, but an offensive playmaker.

Keeping all this in mind, I think the number of attacking midfielders drop dramatically. Players like Rooney, Hazard, and Götze will definitely not make the list.

So, who makes the list?

I'll start us off by saying; Kagawa. He is a pure attacking midfielder in every sense of the word. Sure, he can do a good job on the wing and even in CM, but there's no doubt that he plays way better as an attacking midfielder. Based on the football that I've seen, I can't think of another current player who's such a specialist in the AM position.
 
All this effort to tell us Kagawa plays best in a central role?

Ehm no? I'm genuinely interested in seeing how many AM specialists there are out there who play on the highest level. I mainly only watch United, so it's hard for me to make a fair judgement on players outside our squad, you see.

Effort? It took me 5-10 minutes while eating breakfast...
 
Ozil, Silva, Mata, Sneijder... and aren't the likes of Pastore, Kroos all 'attacking midfielders' as well? There are plenty. I'm not sure what the OP is trying to get at.
 
I'm not sure what the OP is trying to get at.

I'm merely looking for top players whoes level drop significantly when played out of the AM position. Seeing as I don't watch that much football where United isn't involved, I'm under the impression that these players are pretty rare. So rare, that there's only a handful of them.

Maybe I'm wrong, maybe I'm right. That's why I started this thread. Believe it or not, there are football fans out there who has other hobbies outside of watching football. Just because something is "common knowledge" to you, it doesn't mean it's common knowledge to me.
 
Others to make the list I think would be Aimar, Diego, Elano, Eriksen, Gourcouff, Holtby, Gaston Ramirez, Sessegnon
 
I'm merely looking for top players whoes level drop significantly when played out of the AM position. Seeing as I don't watch that much football where United isn't involved, I'm under the impression that these players are pretty rare. So rare, that there's only a handful of them.

Maybe I'm wrong, maybe I'm right. That's why I started this thread. Believe it or not, there are football fans out there who has other hobbies outside of watching football. Just because something is "common knowledge" to you, it doesn't mean it's common knowledge to me.

You're narrowing down of the criteria is strange because I don't think top players levels drop so significantly when playing in a slightly different position. All of the best number 10s I can think of can also play in other attacking positions. Rooney is probably the most versatile and there aren't many like him but most of the other best CAMs can also play in at least one of the other positions in the three of a 4-2-3-1 without a significant drop in level. Are you limiting the criteria to suggest only Kagawa fits the bill?
 
Ehm no? I'm genuinely interested in seeing how many AM specialists there are out there who play on the highest level. I mainly only watch United, so it's hard for me to make a fair judgement on players outside our squad, you see.

Effort? It took me 5-10 minutes while eating breakfast...

Well you first went through defining what you think a "pure" AM is, which no disrespect sounded a bit FMish in my book, and then went through the process of disqualifying all players that are better at this position than Kagawa by saying they are really good on other positions as well.

That all sounds like a very complicated effort in pointing out why you think Kagawa should play in this position instead of other players which in our squad would probably be Rooney and Giggs.

The truth though is that the only real reason to play Kagawa centrally is that he is just at his best playing there but unfortunately for him with Rooney we have a player that SAF preferred to play in that position over Kagawa at least this season.

Lack of versatility isn't really bonus in that case, if a player that is more versatile than you still is the preferred player at what you do best and you can't show your quality while playing out of position you will find yourself at the bench more often than not.

That being said I still feel Kagawa got eased in last season by SAF, he didn't want to put too much pressure on him too early in his United career when he noticed that he had problems adapting to our game and the PL.

Of course under Moyes next season everything might look totally different and we might see him get more starting time in that position, especially if Rooney should leave.
 
An attacking midfielder is a player who is not really a midfielder because he don't like doing the defensive part of the game nor can't seem to have the patient to build up play but rather put the ball into the box right away.

The reason an AM can't play as a forward is that he's
1. Not clinical enough
2. Not fast enough
3. Too good to just hang around in the box
4. Wants to be more involved in the game

Lampard and Sneijder are not pure attacking midfielders and shouldn't be on this list.

A player like Ariel Ortega is a fine example of an attacking midfielder.

A great example of a player active today would be Fabrizio Miccoli.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fabrizio_Miccoli
 
I saw the title and who started the thread and immediately thought "this will be another Kagawa thread".

Wasn't disappointed.
 
Question to OP: How is Gotze not an attacking midfielder?

Because he's equally good(or probably better) as a winger.


Are you limiting the criteria to suggest only Kagawa fits the bill?

In no way! I just want to highlight the "true" top AMs out there. I know that there are more players than Kagawa who fits this description. But out of the players that I have seen, I can't think of a clearer example.
 
Well you first went through defining what you think a "pure" AM is, which no disrespect sounded a bit FMish in my book, and then went through the process of disqualifying all players that are better at this position than Kagawa by saying they are really good on other positions as well.

That all sounds like a very complicated effort in pointing out why you think Kagawa should play in this position instead of other players which in our squad would probably be Rooney and Giggs.

The truth though is that the only real reason to play Kagawa centrally is that he is just at his best playing there but unfortunately for him with Rooney we have a player that SAF preferred to play in that position over Kagawa at least this season.

Lack of versatility isn't really bonus in that case, if a player that is more versatile than you still is the preferred player at what you do best and you can't show your quality while playing out of position you will find yourself at the bench more often than not.

I disagree.

First of all, I haven't disqualified anyone. I'm merely pointing out that there are few specialist attacking midfielders out there. That doesn't mean that the specialist AMs automatically are better in the AM position than other players. It just means that it's their speciality. Hernandez is more of a specialist striker than RVP, but the latter is still a better striker.

Secondly, I don't think Rooney(or Giggs for that matter) is a better AM than Kagawa. The same applies to Götze and Hazard. But this is a totally different discussion.
 
I'd say all of Ozil, Silva and Mata are pretty much pure AM's by your definitions. But really, it's quite hard to categorize these players as a lot of them do spend plenty of time out wide as well even though most of their good work in done through the middle. In fact most AM's nowadays drift from the wide areas.

I'd say Diego (Love him!) of Wolfsborg is anther pure AM, as is Cazorla, Kaka, Oscar, Iniesta, Thiago etc.
 
Because he's equally good(or probably better) as a winger.

You're clearly wrong there. I doubt anyone who watches Götze regularly would think that he's better as a winger.
 
Because he's equally good(or probably better) as a winger.

Why should that be used against him? Someone like Ronaldinho is as pure as an attacking midfielder you'll get but he played out wide for Barcelona (and did excellently), doesn't mean he's not an attacking midfielder.

Lampard and Sneijder are not pure attacking midfielders and shouldn't be on this list.

How is Sneijder not a pure attacking midfielder? He playmakes from further up the pitch and creates goals and has a good shot himself.
 
I'd say all of Ozil, Silva and Mata are pretty much pure AM's by your definitions. But really, it's quite hard to categorize these players as a lot of them do spend plenty of time out wide as well even though most of their good work in done through the middle. In fact most AM's nowadays drift from the wide areas.

As long as their level drops significantly(from 'brilliant' to 'good', for instance) when they don't play in AM, they're welcome on the list.
 
You're clearly wrong there. I doubt anyone who watches Götze regularly would think that he's better as a winger.

Hasn't he played 90% of the time on the wing over the last 2 seasons, both for Dortmund and Germany? I've seen probably 10-15 games from him, and he's always struck me as more of a winger than an AM. Equally good in both positions at the very best.

I love Götze, but he's not a pure AM based on what I've seen.
 
As long as their level drops significantly(from 'brilliant' to 'good', for instance) when they don't play in AM, they're welcome on the list.

Yes, but what exactly do you mean when they don't play AM? Most teams these days don't play with wingers and instead have AM's starting out wide who drift inside to create chances and score goals. The likes of Isco or Rodrigues come to find and I would classify them as Am's
 
Yes, but what exactly do you mean when they don't play AM? Most teams these days don't play with wingers and instead have AM's starting out wide who drift inside to create chances and score goals. The likes of Isco or Rodrigues come to find and I would classify them as Am's

Even if they drift inside, they are still wingers. There's a reason why some players are preferred out "wide" instead of being placed in the very center of things. Hazard for instance, is more of a dribbler than a playmaker. It's therefore better to have him on the left side of Mata or Oscar.

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But I have to run now. I'll reply to the rest of you later. I just want to stress one more thing before I go:

Don't mistake "pure attacking midfielder" for being the definition of an awesome attacking player or something like that. It's all about whether or not you are a specialist of being in the center of things. Some players are specialist goal poachers, some players are specialist wingers, some players are specialist central defenders. None of these categories mean that you are "superior" than other players in the same position. It just means that you are made for this exact position, and nothing else.
 
Hasn't he played 90% of the time on the wing over the last 2 seasons, both for Dortmund and Germany? I've seen probably 10-15 games from him, and he's always struck me as more of a winger than an AM. Equally good in both positions at the very best.

I love Götze, but he's not a pure AM based on what I've seen.

He made his best games for germany as an AM. He played this year almost every game as the AM for Dortmund, the few exceptions were tactical changes by Klopp to a 3men midfield (433/451 formations) and when he played as the striker after both Lewandowski and Schieber weren't available. Don't judge him on the seasons when Klopp had to fit Kagawa and an incredible young Götze in the same team.

Löw didn't include him in the team for a while because he sees him as a player who needs to influence the game in the centre and wants his wingers to stay out wide, hug the line. Götze is more a wide playmaker when played on the wing, moving inside all the time, he's not a winger at all, another reason why he's clearly a true AM.
 
Don't mistake "pure attacking midfielder" for being the definition of an awesome attacking player or something like that. It's all about whether or not you are a specialist of being in the center of things. Some players are specialist goal poachers, some players are specialist wingers, some players are specialist central defenders. None of these categories mean that you are "superior" than other players in the same position. It just means that you are made for this exact position, and nothing else.

I don't think that's the case with Kagawa though. He could play very well in a formation with wide playmakers, he's just not a winger.
 
How is Sneijder not a pure attacking midfielder? He playmakes from further up the pitch and creates goals and has a good shot himself.

Sneijder is not a pure attacking midfielder. He's used a lot more in central midfield and in the build up for my taste. I agree that he does a lot of good work in the last 3rd but he is not hanging around in that last third for most of the game.

By the way, I have a new player to list as an attacking midfielder - Van der Vaart? Really tricky player to position on the field as he likes to play the part of pretty much everything from midfielder to forward.
 
I reckon a huge number of players would play best if given the freedom to play in AM. Especially young players. Young attacking mids are always touted as the next big thing and linked to transfers to top clubs, because hey all that teams attacking play goes through them. Yet thats pretty much the role of an AM. Any AM will have to be adaptable enough to play in a different position. Even Zidane had to do so.
 
An attacking midfielder is a player who is not really a midfielder because he don't like doing the defensive part of the game nor can't seem to have the patient to build up play but rather put the ball into the box right away.

The reason an AM can't play as a forward is that he's
1. Not clinical enough
2. Not fast enough
3. Too good to just hang around in the box
4. Wants to be more involved in the game

Lampard and Sneijder are not pure attacking midfielders and shouldn't be on this list.

A player like Ariel Ortega is a fine example of an attacking midfielder.

A great example of a player active today would be Fabrizio Miccoli.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fabrizio_Miccoli

5. Doesn't like being kicked from behind.
6. Doesn't want the pressure of being expected to score every game.
 
Riquelme, old Gerrard and Lampard.

Totti before he decided to become a striker.

Sneijder, Van Der Vaart, Ozil, Kagawa,
 
When SAF retired I was happy because I thought we would finally get a manager who appreciates true no.10s. Instead we hire Moyes.
 
When SAF retired I was happy because I thought we would finally get a manager who appreciates true no.10s. Instead we hire Moyes.

What's your problem? almost every post of yours is a dig at United or some sort of retarded sarcastic rant. fecking idiot.
 
I'm just trying to fit in with the cool kids. Am I doing it wrong?
 
Ozil, Silva, Mata, Sneijder... and aren't the likes of Pastore, Kroos all 'attacking midfielders' as well? There are plenty. I'm not sure what the OP is trying to get at.

Another way to rim Kagawa.
 
When SAF retired I was happy because I thought we would finally get a manager who appreciates true no.10s. Instead we hire Moyes.

:lol:

You come across like one of those hicks from the U.S who prides themselves in their ignorance and attacks the 'intellectuals' for being snobby... what's that guy's name... Rick Santorum.

How dare you want a manager with a proven top level record or new tactical ideas? You bloody hipster you!

Kindly feck off back into your hole, Rowem.

On topic: Riquelme.