One things for sure, we need some new players
Ralf Rangnick | ex-interim manager | does anyone rate him?
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
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First game against Crystal Palace, we looked drilled in the first half, pressing all over the pitch, playing some direct, positive football. I really thought forward is the only way, and we will only look better when his tactics gel.
Instead, we reverted to our zombie passing shite football with today's horror show, like the icing on the cake.
Can someone explain to me why did we stop pressing teams after that Crystal Palace game? And how we managed to press them so well in his first game, after one training session?
Instead, we reverted to our zombie passing shite football with today's horror show, like the icing on the cake.
Can someone explain to me why did we stop pressing teams after that Crystal Palace game? And how we managed to press them so well in his first game, after one training session?
Feck sake lads. The whole team needs replacing now 
Enough caf for today.
Enough caf for today.
Could be a host of things. However, my monies on the COVID disruption. Sure we dont know how many players were affected and the extent of their syptoms but it seems odd that after that Norwich game, in which we were awful, we effectively shut down operations. Its not good signs but at least we weren't beat. Also i saw some patterns of play but the players just seemed to make poor decisions after poor decisions.
My biggest issue is how little threat we have in that final third. Even under Ole when we were playing bad i still felt we had a goal in us. Never thought that today
Yeah Ronaldo, Varane and Sancho come here and all are suddenly shit? Lets play Elanga and Charlie Savage who did not impress against Young Boys. Maybe it's the ridiculous system that's not working if everyone bar De Gea looks terrible.
i think people thought we wouldn't look much worse than newcastle.
rr hasn't had much time to prepare, 45 mins before the first game where fans swear they saw his coaching come through. I think fans, myself included, were excited to see what the new methods could yield with a lot of prep time (albeit interrupted). And it was the worst performance of the season against the second worst side. so people are disappointed
The only thing I'd pin on Rangnick is his insistence on playing Ronaldo - Bruno - Rashford together + McFred. Terrible, the lot of them. I hope he has learned his lesson today. But the rest is on the players. There was one good player and that's the goalkeeper. Everyone else was mediocre to downright dreadful.
Be fair, take it easy on Rangnick. He has been here a month and probably trained half of it, if that. The state of the squad he inherited is atrocious. It takes months to build something. Judge him in the summer, not now.
Be fair, take it easy on Rangnick. He has been here a month and probably trained half of it, if that. The state of the squad he inherited is atrocious. It takes months to build something. Judge him in the summer, not now.
Today was shocking and he has to make some big decisions now. If he still persists with Mctominay fred he will suffer.
Well the real worry is that Ole was doing a good job with the players he had, and maybe he had no other options, but so many were sure the problem was him. Maybe it wasn’t?
We could hire Klopp or Pep and we'd see no immediate difference. Some of our players are wankers I'm sorry to say. The culture is all wrong, too much ego, laziness and poor attitude. No doubt Solskjaer got around this by simply being the nice guy and pandering to them all.
The players don't give a feck. The manager can't do anything short of benching them and playing the kids.
He doesn't need to get to the top, he is interim, just has to improve on Ole until the end of season, which wont be hard.
is he really laying a foundation? Ten Hag and Pochettino, the two favorites to take over, do not play this formation.
Palace play out from the back under Veira, they played into our hands and we managed to steal the ball high up the pitch as a result.
We have been nothing short of diabolical since.
Well it took Klopp something like 3 seasons and over 6 transfer windows but we’ve had 3 games here, we’ve waited long enough goddammit!
I simply can't get my head around why we went so long after we equalized. Just keep up the same short passing tempo. Why start lumping it ?
Our last 2 games under RR have been terrible, but it's just 2 games compared to almost half a season's worth of embarrassing performances under Ole.
The idea that Ole was doing a good job is farcical.
No, maybe not, but I get the feeling our players haven’t spent any time on proper tactics before and we’ve never had a DOF, which Ralf will ultimately be.
Finishing first then?
Or do we just accept a new manager improving on where we happened to be in the league when the outgoing manager was sacked?
I know it is, and it was tongue in cheek. We need a laugh
Our last 2 games under RR have been terrible, but it's just 2 games compared to almost half a season's worth of embarrassing performances under Ole.
The idea that Ole was doing a good job is farcical.
They don't have the same style, Ten Hag is more of a Pep style. He isn't setting anything if things stay like this.
His insistence on playing this formation and sticking to the same players no matter what is going to transform us into a Europa League team.
I would play a 4-3-3. I may keep one of them with maybe Fred or McT (not both) along with Matic and VdB. I'd play Bruno on the left wing and Sancho on the right and CR7 up front. Bruno is NOT a midfielder. The guy gives the ball away in bad areas way too much. Get him on the left wing and I guarantee his goals and assists will go up and our midfield won't be under as much pressure as it is with him in there...
Yes, it wasnt consistent but I did see something Quick one touch pressing and the forwards making the run. The problem is, Fred was horrible that he couldn't find the first pass and he delayed it or misplaced it. You need a proper CM who can actually pass it first time because we are basically pulling the opposition players to one side by quick one touch and then play a direct crossball to wings or forwards.
See how the goal came for us. Cavani should have scored 3 goals today. All came from similar style of play.
The midfield aren't good enough, this is clear and has been for some time, however, their deficiencies aren't as terrifyingly bad as people make out, they're just exacerbated by the inept players we have in front of and behind them. They get absolutely zero help. No movement at all from the front 4 (and it's been that way for a long time). The defence doesn't inspire anyone..... As I say, they're not great, but they're not the whole issue.
Most of the posts in here today would not look out of context if posted at any point this season.
Ole was never the sole problem, but he's a big part of it. The players he brought are awful and will need selling. Honestly, we wasted a lot of money and 3 years for nothing.
We've played two of the worst teams in the league. Scraping a 1-0 win and just about securing a draw is worthy of criticism regardless of how new he is.
No manager should be judged in mid-season with a squad they had nothing to do with. I think this whole appointment for him to then step aside is one of the weirdest idea I've seen in some time and I'm not sure how well that will work, but the man is going to need time and changes to be able to play his style of football.
Interim, he is not "new manager", we are getting new manager after this season. That is why all the doomer posts in this thread are a joke. Let alone judging him after several weeks only.
Last ten (against Newcastle) was chaos. We played and ran back and forth like a championship team. Wasn’t much class or control. Why didn’t we calm down instead of jazzing things up and be part of Newcastle’s hit and run effort kind of play. Our players ran like headless chicken, resulting in giga space for Newcastle counter play.
LvG controlled and dominated games.
You don't need 3 seasons but feck, give him atleast until Feb given that we just had a Covid break through.
I think by the looks of things he's put some good focus on the central midfielders, particularly trying to make their passing more progressive, and De Gea is still playing well, but I don't see any clear idea of how we're supposed to be playing out there from anyone else in the team. Pass sideways a few times very slowly and sloppily, get pushed back to the centre halves, hoof it long.
This direct German style of football only seems to work when you play with tempo and yet everyone is strolling around, moving both themselves and the ball at a snail's pace, and what's more nobody seems particularly worried about it. Surely the plan cannot be to play with a glacial tempo and rely on Maguire to turn into Paul Scholes with the ball? If it is the plan then Rangnick is appalling tactically, and if it isn't then what are we going to do about it? It seems to be getting worse rather than better.
This direct German style of football only seems to work when you play with tempo and yet everyone is strolling around, moving both themselves and the ball at a snail's pace, and what's more nobody seems particularly worried about it. Surely the plan cannot be to play with a glacial tempo and rely on Maguire to turn into Paul Scholes with the ball? If it is the plan then Rangnick is appalling tactically, and if it isn't then what are we going to do about it? It seems to be getting worse rather than better.
I've mentioned before how Portugal never start the both of them in big games. Only when they're playing weaker teams. We desperately need to get a Haidara type midfielder and go 4-3-3. Drop either one of Ronaldo and Bruno when the other is playing.
Time to keep checking the news feed to see if the Manchester United board have another emergency meeting, this time to fire Ragnick.
LVG sent me to sleep.
One thing that stands out to me as an issue is the positioning of our fullbacks. I saw Dalot and Telles tucked in an awful lot tonight and the two no 10's playing in the wider areas. Surely that should be the other way around?
Also there's an issue with Bruno. He has struggled this season under Solksjaer and now Rangnick. In this instance he looks genuinely hesistant over what it is he's supposed to be doing.
Also there's an issue with Bruno. He has struggled this season under Solksjaer and now Rangnick. In this instance he looks genuinely hesistant over what it is he's supposed to be doing.
Hmm after what I saw today, don't think the likes of you are right on this one.
And created no chances.
Yes. No. Ralf doesn't like
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