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RR never said he wanted these players to leaveIn the current situation I’d probably be more inclined to go to him if I was a player who had an issue, as I know he’s going to be there next year. Ralf who knows.
Of course we do know that Lingard won’t be here next year, so that factor may not be quite as relevant to him. However we do know that Ralf said he was free to leave and Murtough overruled it, so he’s gone to the person he had issue with (and is also Ralf’s boss).
A weird quirk in this is Ralf going from saying he can go to less than a week later complaining that he was one attacker short because he was there, and it doesn’t really paint Ralf in too good a light for having an actual plan.
Just to get this back on track… I’m quite worried about Ralf as a manager. I was actually really enthusiastic when he came in, hoping he could spark a transformation in the club, not only on the pitch, but organizationally as well.
‘Here we are, 2 months later. We still don’t look great on the pitch, we failed to strengthen the squad in the window, and Ralf has really fecked up the Martial and the Lingard situations.
I can’t believe I’m saying this so soon, but… Ralf out.
Ah shite you were wumming. Still had a proper good laugh when I thought you were serious so thanks!You’re so fecking easy to wind up…
Assuming he had a full pre season to implement his style? And signings? Think we'd be in much better shape. Wouldn't touch CIty or Liverpool. But think we'd be much more cohesive.If Ralf was here at the beginning of the season, wonder where we would be in the league
Not really. He had some gems in this thread earlier - feel free to check for yourself. Atleast he is consistent in his criticism, albeit bit silly.Ah shite you were wumming. Still had a proper good laugh when I thought you were serious so thanks!
True, the players also need to bury their freaking chances. Been abysmal lately.We've improved defensively since Ralf took over but we have not yet improved the creation of great chances on goal. That must be addressed if we are to scrape fourth place.
Just to get this back on track… I’m quite worried about Ralf as a manager. I was actually really enthusiastic when he came in, hoping he could spark a transformation in the club, not only on the pitch, but organizationally as well.
‘Here we are, 2 months later. We still don’t look great on the pitch, we failed to strengthen the squad in the window, and Ralf has really fecked up the Martial and the Lingard situations.
I can’t believe I’m saying this so soon, but… Ralf out.
That sort of comment always makes me wonder what the question was. Cause on the face of it: yeah, DUH!Tweet
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Where were you when the Murtough thread was red hot! So many absolutely uninformed shit takes in there...Don't we have some kind of duty to correct obvious, blatant falsities? If that is a word? Because these things perpetuate themselves if they stand unchallenged.
I mean, they perpetuate themselves anyway. But it's kind of depressing to me. Obviously I mean in a larger context, not specifically in that of John Murtough's professional honour. I can see self-perpetuating, counter-factual agendas whipping through people's minds, posts and realities in swaths of destruction.
I think we have to look at it high level right now and ignore whether he stays on or not. He's steadied a sinking ship and the media circus that was here a few weeks ago seems to be gone. I still think we're going to have an abysmal March given the fixture list.
Good little test to come now with very physical teams and a lot of pressing against us. Burnley we should beat, they look poor this season and I'm particularly interested to see how we play versus Sotons 4222 and then Brighton's possession game. I hope the upward trend in performances continues but I'm not getting carried away by the Borough performance (not result) because there's a big difference between a mid table Championship team and the PL.
Yeah hopefully these physical teams won’t rough us up leaving us with nothing left to take on our bigger challenges in March. Still have no idea why we didn’t sign Zakaria for 5m. Worst case scenario, we could just sell him on at the end of the season and probably for a big profit. Asking for trouble by not signing anyone.We had 27 shots against West Ham in the league cup earlier on in the season without our strongest line up.
That isn’t what was reported at the time, and I’ve not seen or heard anything to suggest it wasn’t true.RR never said he wanted these players to leave
Agree. Will be keeping a diary as we speak.Rangnick has hired Raphael Honigstein as a media advisor. I’d wondered if he might use Honigstein to put out some hard truths if United’s board try to do him over. It would be a good way to protect his reputation and publicise how things really are. It’s a smart move by Rangnick IMO.
He did. He gave his blessing for Lingard to go.RR never said he wanted these players to leave
It‘s also a decent way of pushing them to give him a real job after the season. He doesn’t have to threaten them, they will know that Honigstein has 5 months + of material. I don’t blame Rangnick because if he does get binned off, they will brief against him to justify it. He’s got the upper hand on press either way now. I think what will happen is that he’ll walk away anyway because they won’t give him all the power he wants. Then you’ll get some stuff coming out from Rangnick, but maybe not all.Agree. Will be keeping a diary as we speak.
Or he has noticed how everytime he opens his mouth he gets in trouble with the tabloids pouncing on every little crack in the surface, and he wants Honigstein to help him with that.Rangnick has hired Raphael Honigstein as a media advisor. I’d wondered if he might use Honigstein to put out some hard truths if United’s board try to do him over. It would be a good way to protect his reputation and publicise how things really are. It’s a smart move by Rangnick IMO.
That's different if you read what I said literally to him wanting him to go.He did. He gave his blessing for Lingard to go.
He did say that the squad was too big. So it's safe to say that he wanted some fringe players to leave. However he might not have had strong feelings about which players actually leave, so maybe the truth is somewhere in between?That's different if you read what I said literally to him wanting him to go.
They're not, it says it's the 5th time we failed to win. Agree on the other bit though. If only we could finish!BBC reporting we have lost 5 times under him, well that’s just not true…slowly but surely Ralf is doing a decent job, yes lots and lots to do but I see improvements
The message from him has consistently been that if a player doesn't want to show up train and play etc, there's the door.He did say that the squad was too big. So it's safe to say that he wanted some fringe players to leave. However he might not have had strong feelings about which players actually leave, so maybe the truth is somewhere in between?
Only you said him wanting him to go. The initial comment was he said Lingard was free to leave, which by all accounts is correct. To then 4 days later say your were an attacker short because Lingard wasn’t available doesn’t make sense, because if Lingard had left (as Ralf said he could) he also wouldn’t be available.That's different if you read what I said literally to him wanting him to go.
Indeed. While Boro was an awful result, we should have won that 6-1 or something. It's been a while since we consistently created goalscoring chances, and that is clearly an improvement on what we've seen this season. Hoping to see similar chance creation, but with better finishing, against Burnley tonight.BBC reporting we have lost 5 times under him, well that’s just not true…slowly but surely Ralf is doing a decent job, yes lots and lots to do but I see improvements
True, but I believe he would be happy either with Lingard gone, or with Lingard staying and training and playing well.The message from him has consistently been that if a player doesn't want to show up train and play etc, there's the door.
In those 4 days the Greenwood case happened. That's why it does make sense, United lost Greenwood instead of Lingard, so Lingard also missing was one player more than Rangnick expected.Only you said him wanting him to go. The initial comment was he said Lingard was free to leave, which by all accounts is correct. To then 4 days later say your were an attacker short because Lingard wasn’t available doesn’t make sense, because if Lingard had left (as Ralf said he could) he also wouldn’t be available.
You seem to be arguing a totally made up point.
No it didn’t. Greenwood was Sunday, the Lingard conversation was reported to have happened on Monday, which was never denied by either side. In fact you can very easily find lots of comments from in the Lingard thread about how Ralf was being undermined by “the board” keeping Lingard on Monday.In those 4 days the Greenwood case happened. That's why it does make sense, United lost Greenwood instead of Lingard, so Lingard also missing was one player more than Rangnick expected.
This is not being disputed surely? Laurie Whitwell and Samuel Luckhurst both reported that Jessie met with Ralf on the Monday morning, where Ralf informed hi he could go. Ralf has even said in a press conference he could go. The board overruled Ralf. Also Ralf didnt know that Jessie had 2 days off for his cleaning the mindNo it didn’t. Greenwood was Sunday, the Lingard conversation was reported to have happened on Monday, which was never denied by either side. In fact you can very easily find lots of comments from in the Lingard thread about how Ralf was being undermined by “the board” keeping Lingard on Monday.
I mixed up some events and stand corrected. Didn't want to dispute anything that's well known.This is not being disputed surely? Laurie Whitwell and Samuel Luckhurst both reported that Jessie met with Ralf on the Monday morning, where Ralf informed hi he could go. Ralf has even said in a press conference he could go. The board overruled Ralf. Also Ralf didnt know that Jessie had 2 days off for his cleaning the mind
I remember RR saying Lingard came to him around 10 days ago, this clearly before the Greenwood incident, and explained to him why he changed his mind and wanted to leave. RR understood the reasons and gave Lingard his okay, if he could bring a club that was also willing to meet United's valuation of the player.No it didn’t. Greenwood was Sunday, the Lingard conversation was reported to have happened on Monday, which was never denied by either side. In fact you can very easily find lots of comments from in the Lingard thread about how Ralf was being undermined by “the board” keeping Lingard on Monday.
No worries, the whole club is a shit show. The board has far too much power and influence in matters that do not concern them.I mixed up some events and stand corrected. Didn't want to dispute anything that's well known.