How about we get in a promising young manager (ETH) and make Ralf DoF, so we have a proper football structure to build for the future. One that can cope with changes in manager and prioritises youth. Just a thought
Because maybe what we want and what Ten Hag wants are two completely separate things? Have you ever thought he might want to do another year in Ajax and assess his options properly at that point?
Yeah I think there was an issue regarding players on international break / injuries and a few unvaccinated. Rangnick seemed to insinuate he would only be able to take 2/3rds of the squad. So might as well stay in UK.
Ten Hag has been vocal about being ready to move on. He did a press conference literally last month saying he was ready for the next challenge. If anything, this is the best chance we've got of getting him, before the likes of Pep, Klopp and Tuchel move on (or are inevitably sacked, as in Tuchel's case).
They play that way because that’s who he has decided to play. It’s like saying I lack creativity but I still persist with Rashford and Greenwood. You only lack creativity because of who you have selected. That’s not transition that’s just simple selection.
Absolutely this, stick with the plan. Ralfs best work was always as an upstairs guy and has never lasted long anywhere as a manager with huge pressure and expectation. This was always the worry that after a run of good results we would start to hear all this 'ask him to pick a number and hand him the pen to sign' rubbish from pundits etc. Woodward might fall for that but it will be a test of progress if they can stick to the original plan and ideally land Ten Hag.
We don't have the structure in place for Ten Hag to succeed anyway unless Ralf moves upstairs. Liverpool and Chelsea don't either. There's only City that offer him the best chance of success and that only if Pep and his whole gang don't leave at the same time.
Hm, not sure I buy that. Klopp managed to fix a pretty squalid Liverpool, as did Tuchel at Chelsea. We have a very good squad (despite what most on here would have you believe), with lots of the deadwood being out of contract in the summer/wanting out. This is probably the best time for an ambitious, talented manager to come in and make this side his own. On the bolded, that is exactly what would happen if we got Ten Hag, so not sure I understand your point? It has the potential to be a fantastic transition. Rangnick will already be acutely aware of what this squad needs and will be able to advise Ten Hag accordingly, so he isn't undertaking the job blindly.
Then which players would you pick to transform us into this creative, high pressing machine? I've not been a fan of a lot of our selections, but what alternatives do we have in the squad? Most our young players outside of Elanga aren't good enough or ready enough to step up, and our remaining squad players are pretty meh.
I get that Ten Hag is a fairly new name that's gone global but the man is 51, not really young.
He could be our manager for the next 12 years which is forever in football
I never got this objection. So what if he is 51? He started managing in 2015. He has 6 years of top flight management experience. Compare that to people like Klopp who's been managing for 21 years or Conte who already has 15 years under his belt. He is relative young and up and coming manger.
So he's gone from being an interim to a long-term prospect in the space of a few weeks? Marvellous. I wonder if Ralf even wants the gig full-time.
Maybe if he was a player, but for a manager that’s the start of a career, Germany being taken by storm by a foetus is very much the exception.
It's like one of those gameshow challenges: You can be first team coach full-time. But only if you win the Champions League without strengthening midfield.
Surely not
"Sources claim Ralf Rangnick is interested to see if The Manchester United Board can point to a picture of Amadou Haidara out of a line up. Of other footballers."
Oh, I don't think he's old and I'm certainly not objecting to him, I hope we get him.
Give ten hag a go. If it goes horribly slot Ralfy back in. Simples.
If under Rangnick we continue to progress and maintain results why would we not give it to him longer term? We’re in the position where for the first time we can give it to someone based on none emotional purely footballing reasons after seeing how he develops the team, how he’s coaching improves the players, if he gets results , and if he’s style of play is beneficial. If by the end of the season it’s positive why would we throw it away?
Why not wait till Tuchel gets sacked, and get him?
I think because Ralf would bring in someone who sees things the same was he does, so Ralf can spend more time doing work behind the scenes.
In one of Ralf's first interviews he said he might convince the board to give him the permanent manager job so him getting too attached his a danger we have to be cautious of. Our fans and board certainly seem to be doing so.
I think, you mention a good point here and one, that for me is the most essential: all depends on who is identified as the ideal manager to take on Man United. If Ten Haag is Nr. 1, go for him. But if it is somebody else, potentially someone who right now is tied on another project, we might be able to cover the time with Ralf. I don't see any harm in him staying as long as it is for a greater course. Would hate for him to give the permanent job just because currently everybody seems to be pleased with what he is doing. I mean, I would kind of get it but it would again be taking the easy route. Something we did a little too long now for my liking.
Because any half competent manager would have improved us from the previous shitshow.
Did you fall asleep in May 2013 and
Awful? He's not exactly been pulling up trees, but 17 points out of 24 in the league, and 7 goals conceded in 10 games hardly suggests he's been an awful appointment, not forgetting he's working with the same group of players who have mostly been terrible all season. Are you forgetting how bad we were prior to hiring him?
This is what I was thinking ... 4d chess to give the interim manager more power. Because it's obviously waaaaaaay too early to make any judgments about whether he should get the job. Let him get through 19 league games first at least.
“Awful” overstates the point. Ralf has actually done a very decent job, starting with cleaning up our defensive woes.
