But lets say you're Erik ten Hag and you read a document saying Luke Shaw is out of shape, unfit and can't carry out the intensity of play required.
I'm not sure that is the case. From the sound of things Bailly, Jones, Tuanzebe, AWB, Martial and Williams are free to leave. The problem is shifting these players on their big wages and because we can't sell them quickly, ETH may as well have a look. He's at least made one decision with letting Henderson leave I guess.
Yeah he knows a thing or two about the squad but the squad and everyone within Manchester United know a thing or two about Ralf as well.
That's a very simplistic way of looking at it, you can tell a lot about a person's character and personality when you spent time with them at their lowest.
Pretty much. These kind of things will be known within 48-72 hours. Players are tested when they comeback from holidays and tested again during the preseason, it's a standard practice that allows to understand where players are and how they should be managed athletically during the season, in fact it's not even something that most head coaches will focus on themselves, it's the role of trainers who then create schedules for each players and the team as a whole.
Who was willing to join the club for 6 months and would guarantee top 4?
Yeah that's what I meant too.
Let's be fair, Rangnick couldn't have done much worse.
Not 4-5 impactful players. You are more likely to get 1 or 2 impacful players every year and then 3 or 4 youth players and obvious duds.
ETH was under no obligation to take the support on offer to him. His decision to not to do, can only be judged by his results.
What was the alternative?
That's not the question. If we are actually fair, we can see why Rangnick was the pick, we wanted ETH or Pochettino neither of them were going to move in early December and none of Valverde, Lopetegui or Garcia were signing a 6 months contract. I don't see who else would guarantee anything and also allow us to get ETH.
Sure but the guy you replied to just said there were better managers out there who could have got top 4 not that there was managers available who would have guaranteed top 4.
Good point, Solskjaer had the majority of these players for 3 years. He was around them in relative good times as well as the bad times at the end, I suspect he could tell them much more about the players on an individual level than Ralf could.
Yeah no argument there but it's the same for every manager at every club.
Agreed which is why Rangnick's comments felt weird, it was never a sensible point to make when you just suggested that the issue was a lack of quality and quality in depth.
A lot of Rangnick's comments felt weird, probably because he was saying things he thought would protect his reputation.
And we do? No?
We have signed a billion worth of talent over 10 years and more than 50-60 didnt work out. 1 window or 10 makes no difference
The attempts to make it ETH's doing are ridiculous. First of all there's no possible way ETH has powers to terminate RR. RR was hired and reported to the DoF. It's not a role the manager has jurisdiction over without the DoF. Can ETH unilaterally fire fletcher? Im sure everyone knows the answer is no. It would never have been the manager's decision if there was actual intention from the club to go through with it.
agree. His time in Manchester will be very short, if results don't go his way. Expecting completely different performances with the same squad is optimistic to say the least. He has to trust some players, but he won't have much time to decide who he can use and who has to go.
No one can guarantee you top 4. But I bet even Carrick would have got better results out of the squad. Let alone hiring some interim who might have been available. Hell, I bet Ronaldo as a player manager would have done better, only half joking.
A lot of this is with the benefit of hindsight of course, but picking a manager who needs a particular set of players for a particular system, who has never managed at this level before, was a terrible pick. There's not really any arguing it, he was a square peg for a round hole who should never have been brought in for a 6 month job.
Actually every manager enjoyed massive success in the beginning, the problem is that they continued to believe in them and failed in the end.
He was the worst appointment we ever made
I posted it before but we finished exactly where we were supposed to finish, we are as bad as we finished the season, we had a purple patch around December-January and that's about it.
It smells of a man who didn’t know what to do with our squad so threw his hands up and basically said sell them all and replace them with players that will cost hundreds of millions of pounds. Then he stands around saying I don’t know why these same players won’t listen or run for me anymore.
But again, what is the output of what you're saying here? You go into more detail but it's still not clear how the manager is to proceed. He can reason that the player is not responding well because the team as a whole is dysfunctional and the current manager is incompetent. He can believe the report. He can not believe the report. Ultimately it's second hand information.
He said that after we were sht not before. The downing tools and not running began even before he got here. They ran for 20 minutes against palace and that was it. So why do you think he was wondering why they weren't working for him? He already knew - they were sht and couldnt be arsed. And even if he said that. So what? Even if Hitler himself came in and called them all a bunch of wasters so what? That gives you an excuse to down tools? Stop excusing the players. Ralf was sht as a manager but saying the truth is not a reason to bash him.
We might not have had a free fall, but we didn't improve one bit under him. He was brought in to stabilise us and improve things, which he spectacularly failed to do.
100%. They do this stuff cos they know we'll fall for it.
We were stable and it's not a given that any player will improve within 6 months, it's not a reasonable timeline for these kind of things, during the season a lot of what teams do is based around recuperation. And objectively he failed because I suspect that the hope wasn't to stabilize us since it's exactly what happened but to improve our record which we didn't do beyond early February.
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What bad will? If Ten Hag even slightly influenced Ralf’s complete departure, it makes me respect him even more. Ralf was a complete fraud. He made a poorly functioning team even worse. Good riddance.
Ralf’s record was worse than Ole’s this season… how is that stabilizing the team? He was the worst manager by win percentage since Frank O’Farrell, 50 years ago.
Because we maintained the same form from October to May. That's as stable as it gets.
