There’s some cherry picking
Ole managed 29 games that interim season, he was absolutely astonishingly shite in his final month of the season. He won 2 of the last 10 games, losing 6.
Your argument then, “he needs his own players before we can pass judgement”.
Not sure what your point is, do you pine for ole back still?
Only right at the end when the wheels came off. It's hardly an inspiring start from Ralf. Ole at least did have that.
Not at all. I don't want this guy anywhere near the job though.
The wheels hadn’t come off when he couldn’t beat Southampton, and the wheels hadn’t come off when he got beat by fecking Young Boys so stop making absolutely nonsensical excuses. The wheels also hadn’t come off when he got beaten by Aston Villa.
Yeah there's that. And one players we now have to work around for some reason. Some foundations
Your last posts indicate otherwise. If its an issue with ralf, the worst, topical, thread of the year seems like poor choice to post your concerns about the current manager
Not against Watford though
And where do you think we'd be right now if Ole had of stayed on? I'm betting my mortgage we'd be a lot further down the table even if Ralf hasn't exactly set the world on fire
Ole beat big teams is a true statement but mainly because he was an unknown quantity. Once opposing managers learnt how to play against us which let's face it was within a very short time period he didn't have the experience or know-how to compete. How many top sides did we win against last season? His tenure was only going to go in one direction. Getting good results the odd time is by no means the best metric to manage one of the biggest clubs in the world which shows just how far standards have fallen.
It's certainly a crazy world we live in. All that energy expended for no apparent reason.
Hey @Nou_Camp99 , here’s a time machine for you: it’s 2055 and you’re still trying to defend Ole’s failed stint as a United manager. Let it go
the last month in Oles reign contained probably the worst results in my lifetime following UnitedNot sure if such a thread is allowed, but since we have the Messi vs Ronaldo thread, I will give it a shot. Mods if you can add poll that will be appreciated.
So, if you had to choose one, which route do you think is more ideal? Under Ole, we had a lot of fortunate wins and individual brilliance and luck was a key part of his success. However, under Ralf we have seen better performances, but we can’t seem to get the right result. Would it have been better to stick with luck rather than improvement in our gameplan?
My opinion, I rather have better performance to be honest even though, we are struggling to beat average side.
You’re spot on, I think a lot of people have forgotten Ole’s run after he got the job permanently. Do you remember when we got battered by Everton 4-0? Ralf hasn’t had a result or performance as bad as that.
No it doesn't at all. I don't want Ole back and I don't want this nobody in charge either.
I don't class 2nd and 3rd as failure as such.Hey @Nou_Camp99 , here’s a time machine for you: it’s 2055 and you’re still trying to defend Ole’s failed stint as a United manager. Let it go
Did Mourinho not fail here then also now? feck me, he got more points finishing second, and his other full season was a 2 trophy season. He also spent a shitload and left us in a mess, just like Ole.
Ole himself said that 2nd was not good enough for United. Of course he was criticizing Mourinho at the time.
Ole did steady the ship, but we made the mistake of extending Ole’s contract last June. We had a golden opportunity to thank Ole for his service and bring in a proper manager. For whatever reason, the board felt Ole was the right man for the job for years to come. It was clear to many at the time that this was not a wise choice.
It's impossible to come in 2nd in the PL with luck. I think it was SAF that said the table never lies. Yet, you think we never played decent football and somehow lucked our way to 2nd. Okay.
Totally agree. I would bet that Ole did not want Ronaldo and the board forced him to take embrace him. Ronaldo and his agent fooled Woody and United with the City fake move to get us to give Ronaldo a big contract. Before Ronaldo, we had nice momentum and I think good team spirit going into the season after a good season and adding Sancho and Varane. The only thing missing was a good DM and instead of getting a DM we got Ronaldo. I have no proof but I think it's possible Ronaldo led the revolt against Ole and that's why we saw the really poor results the last few matches under Ole.
If I remember correctly part of the start of the poor results when interim manager was when we had two injuries during the first leg against PSG. The free wheeling play had to be curtailed because of a thin squad and a congested schedule. He could have done a little better no doubt but his hands were tied with the squad because of injuries.There’s some cherry picking
Ole managed 29 games that interim season, he was absolutely astonishingly shite in his final month of the season. He won 2 of the last 10 games, losing 6.
Your argument then, “he needs his own players before we can pass judgement”.
No we didn’t. Our performances were dreadful at the end of last season, and it was only this season that the results caught up with these bad performances. Our players did not even look like they trained together. Why else do you think that many fans were up in arms when he was offered a new contract this year? Even this season before Ronaldo came, we were bad against Southampton and extremely lucky to nick a goal against Wolves when we won 1-0.
If it wasn’t for Ronaldo’s goals against Atalanta and against Tottenham away, Ole would have been sacked way sooner. It was actually other players who downed tools in the end. Ronaldo’s form suffered starting in January this year when Ole had already left.
We expected a slow start to the season because of the Euro Cup and the delay for starting training for many players. At least I did.
He faced the sack multiple times during his tenure by his own admission, not only when he had Andreas and Lingard to choose from. Saying he got good results is a complete overstatement. We bottled it under him in every match where we could have won something.
The performances against Southampton and Wolves were exactly the same kind of performances we were putting out at the end of last season before the Euros. Players looked like they were coming out there with no direction or style of play. The Villeareal final was a proof of that from beginning to end.
His first 13 matches or so we did great and we were flying. Injuries vs PSG and later made the rest of the season a slog.
I struggle to understand how anyone can look at our football now versus under Ole this season, and find Ralfs the more uninspiring.
He didn't fail the season he came 2nd, no.
So to sum up your post: everything that went right during his tenure was because of him, but everything that went wrong was because of other factors
Nice one OP, now we have this dumbass stat in two threads
What's dumb about it? He's got a 47% win ratio and we've played nobody really. It's not good enough.
