Rangnick's Tactical Journey - Meeting Lobanovskyi, Studying Sacchi and Raging against Tiki Taka

Raees

Pythagoras in Boots
Joined
May 16, 2009
Messages
29,469
Put together a pretty long report on what we can expect to get from Rangnick, some snippets below if anyone is interested.

Link: https://pythagorasinboots.com/ralf-rangnick-tactical-analysis/


A CHANCE ENCOUNTER CHANGES EVERYTHING
Whilst Rangnick had shown an aptitude for how to 'run' a football club, he was still trying to figure out 'how' he wanted his team play. A key moment in his tactical development would be the moment he first crossed paths with Valeriy Lobanovskyi, the Ukranian managerial wizard and tactical visionary who could be described as football's first scientist and a preeminent architect of the modern press.

In 1983, Lobanovskyi's Dynamo Kiev side were staying in a nearby training centre and needed easy opposition for a friendly. The selected victims? FC Viktoria Backnang. What ensued would leave an everlasting impression on young Rangnick and shape the German's own thoughts on how the game should be played.

Prior to this encounter, Rangnick's side had been beaten by established opposition before but this was different. A few minutes in, when the ball had gone out for a throw-in, Rangnick in sheer disbelief, stopped and counted their players. Something was wrong. Did they have 13 or 14 men on the pitch? There seemed to be simply no moment of breathing space for his players... Kiev were the first team Rangnick had ever come up against who systematically pressed the ball.

After the game, Rangnick was able to talk to Lobanovskyi through an interpreter and asked him if he could regularly observe their training sessions at a local sports school. The lessons he learned from Lobanovskyi would prove to be invaluable. During the period of 1983-1985, Rangnick managed the club's rise from the Bezirksliga to the Verbandsliga. He also used this period to obtain his football coaching license at the Cologne Sports University in 1984, as the best student of the year with a 1.2 grade point average.

GROß-RANGNICK FOOTBALL PHILOSOPHY (PROTOTYPE)
Back 4 and Zonal Marking

After consuming a heady cocktail of Happel, Lobanovskyi and Sacchi, the Groß-Rangnick template for the perfect football philosophy began to take shape. The first cornerstone was ball-oriented zonal marking with a back four in line and the ball as a main reference for the defence. Man-marking and the sweeper role was expelled, concepts which at the time considered sacrosanct in German football circles.


Pressing Traps To Proactively Win The Ball

The second cornerstone involved hunting for the ball aggressively and wildly rushing towards the ball-carrier aiming to reduce time and space... inducing panic and forcing the opponent to make mistakes and steal the ball higher up the pitch and closer to the goal. The faster you could win the ball, the greater the momentum you could take into the ensuing attack and the greater likelihood of the opposition being disoriented with lesser time to react.

To avoid mindless wasted waves of pressing, clever positioning would be utilised to force the opponent to play short or long miss passes. This would take the form of luring the opponent into little tricky spaces and then deploying the pressing waves to force turnovers - the famous 'pressing traps'.


Verticality In Possession

In possession the primary idea was verticality, fluid attacking movement and efficient combination plays, aiming to attack with pace and break the opponent's shape with less number of passes. The idea was that more passes risked a loss of possession. Furthermore too much ball retention would take the tempo out of the game and reduce the possibilities to exploit the opposition in transitional/counter pressing situations.

RANGNICK AT RED BULL
Rangnick Takes Over (2018/2019)

Prior to the start of the 2018/19 season Rangnick sold Keita to Liverpool after receiving a series of lucrative offers. He brought in a young Emile Smith-Rowe on loan and Kevin Kampl became a more important player tactically. Certain elements of what Hasenhuttle had brought in during his reign were kept i.e. the slightly more conservative press but there was a calculated reduction in terms of how much Leipzig held of the ball.

Possession went from 55% down to 50%. Yet Leipzig scored more and conceded less, 63 goals scored and only 29 conceded - their best defensive performance since Rangnick came to the club in any capacity. It was a validation of his philosophy that more possession could lead to inefficiencies in terms of outcomes. Formations wise, Rangnick was more versatile than Hasenhuttle and drifted from the 4222 to go diamond or even 3-5-2. Overall they had more counter attacks (4.85 per game) and even more positional shots with attack. A team that looked to make the most of any time it had the ball.

Hands Over To Nagelsmann (2019/2020)

Rangnick ultimately guided RB Leipzig to a third-place finish, which qualified them for the Champions League, and they reached the final of the DFB Cup, losing to FC Bayern München. He then moved back upstairs and handed the reigns to Julian Nagelsmann.

Nagelsmann made the team even faster, with an 18.57 pass tempo, but he also made the team more possession orientated - giving the team more guile than Rangnick's sledgehammer approach. This elevated their average XG to 2.11 per game. Key players brought in during his tenure included Nkunku from PSG and Angelino from Man City.

In what would prove to be Rangnick's final season as a sporting director for RB Leipzig, Nagelsmann would lead the team to the semi finals of the Champions League, and remain 3rd in the Bundesliga. The following season they would finish second both in the league and the cup. In a sense, Rangnick had succeeded in helping to construct a club that was now a stable force at the very top of German football but the lack of trophies also perpetuates the notion that he was more of a philosopher rather than a winner at the elite end of the spectrum.

Verdict: For the first time, Rangnick was able to sustain a club as a title competing force and make waves in Europe. Nagelsmann did make a huge impact in making the side more nuanced but he showed here that he can evolve and still learn.

WHAT WILL HE BRING TO MANCHESTER UNITED
Professionalism and Humility

Inspired by the likes of Lobanovskyi and Sacchi, it is no wonder that Rangnick prioritises systems and the collective over the individuals. He does so with utmost zeal and he will not cower in the face of any player to achieve that aim. You can bet your bottom dollar that if he is backed appropriately - if the likes of Ronaldo and Bruno dare to throw strops or interfere with the implementation of his regime, they will be sold without a moments hesitation. There is also no chance of Pogba being indulged like he was under Ole despite blatantly disrespecting the club.

There will also be a cultural reset behind the scenes. Rangnick is a genuine 'football scientist' and he will demand that United have the best in class when it comes to nutritionists, video analysts and data analytics. The issue is that United are competing against teams who already have this in place and what was once considered revolutionary is the norm now in the Premier League. Nevertheless, the fact that United will no longer be left behind in this respect can only be a positive.

If Rangnick can make United a 'University of Football' rather than an adult Disneyland, they will be able to attract managers of great talent and ambition once again. They will attract serious young players who want to advance their game, not their pockets and there will be a move away from signing geriatrics and past their best Galacticos. There will be a return to the signing of 'Gems' and developing these players, which was a tradition under Sir Alex Ferguson.


Dynamism And Tempo

One thing Rangnick shares with Sir Alex Ferguson is a love of high tempo football. He wants his side to finish the counter-attack within under ten seconds since this is the time window with the bigger probability of scoring. In order to practice transition play, he even uses a clock with a count-down and the players can hear the ticking. That way, the ten-second rule for a shot on target is supposed to “become an instinct” according to Rangnick.

"After regaining possession, they must immediately look for their most offensive player available. The wingers must quickly support the receiving player with deep runs. However, they only provide the maximum width needed as this shortens the way towards the goal. Sometimes, teams park two buses in front of their box and force us to have lots of possession, which makes it more difficult to pick up pace and create clear goalscoring opportunities. If you have too much possession, your game resembles handball and you don’t get anywhere."

This is actually a good match up for the Old Trafford crowd who often get impatient and zone out when the team goes into 'zombie passing' mode with listless periods of possession. Under Rangnick there will be genuine purpose on the ball.

The media has speculated about who will be winners or losers under Rangnick's regime and it has revealed a lack of knowledge of what Rangnick actually stands for. Players like Bruno and Rashford, are in theory, Rangnick style players due to their direct threat and the speed at which they play the game. Off the ball, they need to put in a greater effort and their ego's need to be cut down to size but if they can do that, they could blossom under his tutelage.
 

Pexbo

Winner of the 'I'm not reading that' medal.
Joined
Jun 2, 2009
Messages
68,783
Location
Brizzle
Supports
Big Days
What a shitty blog. Piece of Wordpress crap, thanks for sharing
 

AndySmith1990

Full Member
Joined
Oct 2, 2021
Messages
6,305
You mean to say he's not going to pick his best mates and tell the lads to go and enjoy themselves?

In all seriousness it's going to be so refreshing to be able to indulge in reading/talking about tactics again, and have some meaningful discussion about how we play and how that translates to why we won/lost. That's part of the appeal of team sports for me.
 

mu4c_20le

Full Member
Joined
Jul 7, 2013
Messages
44,129
United 4-1 Schalke. Hopefully he wasn't gegenpressing that night.
 

Raees

Pythagoras in Boots
Joined
May 16, 2009
Messages
29,469
United 4-1 Schalke. Hopefully he wasn't gegenpressing that night.
He took over the team literally a month before that fixture so wasn’t really his team. Was moulded more by Felix Magath.
 

cyril C

Full Member
Joined
Nov 26, 2017
Messages
2,659
He took over the team literally a month before that fixture so wasn’t really his team. Was moulded more by Felix Magath.
Well, some fans expect gene pressing on Thurs. I don't think we will be anywhere near an ideal Rangnick team by March, and probably at best an energetic, but an organised team by Jan. An organised team is what we need and lack of, which should reverse our season. Whether the new MU will become a gene pressing team next season, is very much dependent on WHO will be the new manager, whether (majority of ) existing squad can learn and adapt, after the summer break, as in the case of Liverpool and City, which took them 1 season to adapt.
 

Daengophile

Full Member
Joined
Jan 12, 2015
Messages
509
Rangnick certainly has an interesting philosophy on how football should be played and the attributes of his playing personnel.

It will, for sure, be intriguing to see how he approaches implementing this at Old Trafford and it looks set to be more of a sprint than a marathon.

He's going to need to work out really quickly who the players are that can play his game plan. He's going to need to figure out who is with him and who is not.

The departure lounge may start to get cosy and the exit door may not stop rotating for a while
 
  • Like
Reactions: Cheimoon

MichaelRed

Full Member
Joined
May 18, 2015
Messages
1,649
Unrelated but not being able to use the scroll wheel click & drag to scroll on your site is infuriating.
 

bond19821982

Last Man Standing champion 2019/20
Joined
Oct 26, 2008
Messages
10,432
Location
Nnc
Good article but to be honest, I'm getting tired of this pro Ralf articles. LVG was also supposed to be a visionary and we all know how that ended up. Hope Ralf lives upto the expectations.
 

MattJ166

Full Member
Joined
Mar 25, 2021
Messages
146
Fascinating read mate,

It appears that his teams tend to go through a slump in the last four or five games of the season as well as it often taking a little while to pick up results, it makes me fearful for this season as we can't really afford to do so. However, I think his behind the scenes work is unquestionable and I have no doubt that we will be moving in the right direction under his guidance. With his principles and a truly elite manager who knows what we could achieve.

Exciting times, thanks for posting this as it's allowed me to get a much better understanding of him as a guy and a manager!
 
  • Like
Reactions: Cheimoon

7even

Resident moaner, hypocrite and moron
Joined
Jun 4, 2006
Messages
4,218
Location
Lifetime vacation
The interesting part for me is how and in what order he will implement his ideas.

What part of his philosophy will we as supporters first notice?
Will he continue with Carrick’s version of 433 with two wide forwards and Bruno as a ‘false nine”?
How long will it take before we can see our defenders don’t get stressed and starts to panic when the opposition press us high up on our own half.
When will we be comfortable enough to “gegenpress” effectively without AWB & Co starts to lose their shit and end up in no mans land.

I assume with our upcoming schedule that many of his ideas will be implemented in our off the field tactical sessions and that will hopefully reveal who of our players who are not adaptable enough to transform verbally instructions into real action. Another thing is to see how patient our supporters are if we don’t see a significant visual impacts the first 4-5 games.
 

Beans

Full Member
Joined
Aug 9, 2019
Messages
3,519
Location
Midwest, USA
Supports
Neutral
The interesting part for me is how and in what order he will implement his ideas.

What part of his philosophy will we as supporters first notice?
Will he continue with Carrick’s version of 433 with two wide forwards and Bruno as a ‘false nine”?
How long will it take before we can see our defenders don’t get stressed and starts to panic when the opposition press us high up on our own half.
When will we be comfortable enough to “gegenpress” effectively without AWB & Co starts to lose their shit and end up in no mans land.

I assume with our upcoming schedule that many of his ideas will be implemented in our off the field tactical sessions and that will hopefully reveal who of our players who are not adaptable enough to transform verbally instructions into real action. Another thing is to see how patient our supporters are if we don’t see a significant visual impacts the first 4-5 games.
Surely that was a 442 diamond, with Bruno behind two strikers as an attacking midfielder.
 

stefan92

Full Member
Joined
Feb 9, 2021
Messages
6,610
Supports
Hannover 96
Surely that was a 442 diamond, with Bruno behind two strikers as an attacking midfielder.
Looking at Bruno's tendency to play up front and the forwards usually playing wide I can understand anyone saying it was a 433/false 9 system. Formation numbers become meaningless at some point, this formation was an example for it, as it was something in between a typical 442 and 433.
 

Bestietom

Full Member
Joined
Dec 16, 2013
Messages
8,021
Location
Ireland
I don't think 6 months is long enough to get all this group working the way he wants them.
They need to get rid of the bad habits they have got over the last few years.
Then next season another new manager and more new changes.
I think he should be given a full season after the initial 6 months so as to play the way he wants before a new manager comes in.
 

Woodzy

Full Member
Joined
Sep 10, 2004
Messages
14,779
Location
Cardiff
Good article but to be honest, I'm getting tired of this pro Ralf articles. LVG was also supposed to be a visionary and we all know how that ended up. Hope Ralf lives upto the expectations.
Well luckily Ralf will likely not even be our manager by next summer. There’s no reason to be concerned about this appointment - at best he will salvage something from our season and build the foundations for promising future for the club, and at worst he will have fecked off by the end of the season.
 

JPRouve

can't stop thinking about balls - NOT deflategate
Scout
Joined
Jan 31, 2014
Messages
66,025
Location
France
Good article but to be honest, I'm getting tired of this pro Ralf articles. LVG was also supposed to be a visionary and we all know how that ended up. Hope Ralf lives upto the expectations.
LvG wasn't a visionary, his philosophy was Ajax's philosophy. I have seen people make those comparison and it makes no sense, they have completely different profiles, LvG has always been a very good coach for young players someone that instills good fundamentals. But he has never shown the ability to build a team or develop the structure of a club, he has always thrived with a DOF above him.
 

DomesticTadpole

Doom-monger obsessed with Herrera & the M.E.N.
Joined
Jun 4, 2011
Messages
101,444
Location
Barrow In Furness
Fascinating read mate,

It appears that his teams tend to go through a slump in the last four or five games of the season as well as it often taking a little while to pick up results, it makes me fearful for this season as we can't really afford to do so. However, I think his behind the scenes work is unquestionable and I have no doubt that we will be moving in the right direction under his guidance. With his principles and a truly elite manager who knows what we could achieve.

Exciting times, thanks for posting this as it's allowed me to get a much better understanding of him as a guy and a manager!
We might not have the slump because our players have been playing in pre-season mode so far. That will have saved their legs.
 

Tom Cato

Godt nyttår!
Joined
Jan 3, 2019
Messages
7,595
You mean to say he's not going to pick his best mates and tell the lads to go and enjoy themselves?

In all seriousness it's going to be so refreshing to be able to indulge in reading/talking about tactics again, and have some meaningful discussion about how we play and how that translates to why we won/lost. That's part of the appeal of team sports for me.
Bless your optimistic heart. We can only hope.
 

tenpoless

No 6-pack, just 2Pac
Joined
Oct 20, 2014
Messages
16,385
Location
Ole's ipad
Supports
4-4-2 classic
Too complicated, too many fancy words... all we need is to want more than the opponent.
 

Raees

Pythagoras in Boots
Joined
May 16, 2009
Messages
29,469
He rages against tiki taka while I love me some tiki taka.
I’m hoping that the guy he brings in after himself can strike that balance between high tempo and control. Nagelsmann did try to introduce more control to Leipzig’s play but there is still criticism at Bayern that it is all abit too chaotic which leads to holes defensively.
 

Seven Seas Sardines

Full Member
Joined
May 24, 2015
Messages
3,090
Location
Bolivia til 2024
I don't think 6 months is long enough to get all this group working the way he wants them.
They need to get rid of the bad habits they have got over the last few years.
Then next season another new manager and more new changes.
I think he should be given a full season after the initial 6 months so as to play the way he wants before a new manager comes in.
Would be ideal if Poch and Ten Hag see to the end of their contracts in 2023.
 

tenpoless

No 6-pack, just 2Pac
Joined
Oct 20, 2014
Messages
16,385
Location
Ole's ipad
Supports
4-4-2 classic
Meeting Lewandowski and studying Sancho while raging against Pep :drool:. We're going to play exciting football.