Hopefully. We badly need a fresh focal point up there and we still really miss and need a natural right winger, ffs! Martial and Rashford were just breaking down move after move and not showing anywhere near enough desire. A club of our size need players to compete with these lads when their form gets like this. There are better players out there and we should always be looking to improve. Also our coaching looks negative so it’s probably hard for any attacking player to thrive in this system. Fielding both matic and mata was always going to be a bust behind the attack too. James would have probably caused WBA more problems on the left than Rashford did today.Martial is a placeholder now for me. He's had enough chances, and shines when he has space to work in, but is the single biggest reason why we struggle in these types of matches. Id be amazed if we weren't intending on breaking the bank for Haaland this summer
There's no comparison between Rashford and Best. George would outclass him by a distance In terms of running with the ball, close control, passing and finishing with either foot or a header.Don't agree, Rashford even on an off day can turn a game. His pace and workrate are second to none. A true athlete. Yes he tries things at times that aren't on, but George Best did the same. He's ok! Martial is the problem!
Gave me a tickleSome of the pundits have been right on this all along. We really do need a top draw no9. I dont think Greenwood is ready yet, so really need Cavani to step unto world class standards.
Rashford, Martial etc can do all their inverted stuff around that man.
I don’t think Cavani coming on was the reason we looked better, had more to do with WBA having to open up more and it gave us more room to work with, which is when we’re at our best.Cavani was a bit crap today. But he’s rusty. And old. So we shouldn’t expect much more from him. Despite this, it’s crazy how much better we looked when he came on. Having a striker who understands a striker’s movement isn’t a big ask, surely, but we seem to go without that in almost every game we play.
I don't think Martial has the full set of ingredients to play either of those roles effectively.Our hope of a 30 goal a season striker is with Greenwood, Martial will never hit those numbers consistently, simply because he's not a striker, he's an inside forward.
This is not an accurate reflection of Sterling. He has been s consistent scorer for a while now. He went on a run of 10 without scoring but outside of that was a regularYeah they really need to turn into Raheem Sterling - the bastion of consistency who scores half of his seasons goals in a run of about 10 games, and then looks like he can't kick a ball for the rest of the season.
We must be the only club in the world, who's most talented players are the problem.
I think the 'classic no.9' isn't as crucial to success as it was in years gone by. Ultimately you need your forwards to be scoring goals... and that's what Martial / Rashford are - they're forwards. Now, would they benefit from more of a 'classic no.9' in between them? I'd say absolutely yes. Is it Cavani?You get what I mean though? All this hipster football makes me very confused sometimes A classic No 9 should always have a place in football!
Yep, simple as this. Need a proper striker. I still want martial in the squad, but don’t think he should be starting every game.Rashford has shown he can have a poor game and still get you the winner. Martial hasn't.
Were an elite defender and an elite striker away from challenging.
Martial's finishing is the least of his worries. I think this is an excellent thread and OP because unlike most threads on here recently there is a bit of perspective.Just not clinical or ruthless enough for me. I'm never convinced that they'll finish the easy chances in the box.
I watched Martial for France v Portugal and he missed around 3 chances from in the box.
There is a reason why he wanted Haland, you never think why he wanted another striker like Haland did you?It doesn't matter what we think. Ole thinks he is the smart one, he fail to recognise that Martial is not an out and out striker. Martial is not a goal machine and everyone knows that except our World Class Manager who think he knows better. Stick Martial on the left wing, he is more useful there and put Cavani at the top. Is that so hard?! Stop experimenting something that will not work. To address this, get Ole out. Martial is like a Timo or Min, they are not striker but wing players who can score goals. Use your freaking brain.
Think you are spot on here. I've always had high hopes for him and last season it looked like he was finally improving under Ole, but his lack of consistency is still a huge issue and it really should not be at his ageThe fact that Rashford, however fitful, has demonstrably improved as a player since his first season, is an encouraging sign whenever he has an off day.
The fact that Martial hasn’t really, is not.
He’s a very good player, but he’s been struggling to break through the barrier to “great one” for 5 years... eventually the excuses about his position or his number or whatever it is this week, will run out.
LVG? What re u on about? Martial was almost unplayable under LVGI don't think Martial has the full set of ingredients to play either of those roles effectively.
He doesn't have the killer instinct or appreciation of movement to be a CF. And he doesn't have the final ball or workrate to be an inside forward.
What he does have is a lot of raw talent. Great finishing, very good close control on the run, decent upper body strength with his back to goal, and excellent pace. But there's a lack competitive edge which prevents him from bringing it all together. I have no idea what the best thing is to do with Martial. Mourinho, Ole, LvG and Deschamps have all failed to coax the best out of the guy (at least so far).
I reckon he could be brilliant in a midtable team scoring 25+ goals in a season. Like a Danny Ings or Kevin Phillips who had their teams built around them. There's a lot about Martial that gives the impression he's top class. But doing it at a big club may be beyond him.
I'll be hoping for a penny drop moment in the meantime.
He was the best attacker with Bruno. Again not saying much but picking him out would seem odd. We could call it the Martial and Cavani, Van de Beek and Mata thread and have a go at all of them as one amorphous blob of footballer?Rashford was superb yesterday then. Shades of Messi and Ronaldo