Okay bud, fair enough.Wasn't referring to you personally mate. There are some idiots who can't stop themselves on matchday.
Agreed!He earns criticism for his inconsistency and decision making at times. When he should take a player on he looks to pass, and is accused of being greedy when he goes it alone. It shouldn't be what he's remembered for as a footballer. He's damn close to 100 goals for Utd, that's impressive but it should be already
THe statement that one cannot write a bad word about Rashford and that he is immune to criticism is both an opion and untrue. Evidenced aplenty on this forum by a whole forest of bad words and criticism. It’s not hard to find, and it’s there even if you might not be aware of it.It's not untrue, it's my opinion.
You won't find me calling them shit or he's not a footballer ect.. Not in my post or on match day.
Maybe I make myself feel bad for criticising him.
Rashford scores or assists about every second game. I think that's good enough. Others should chip in too for the remaining goals. That's not Rashford's fault. His share of benefit is more than fair.I’d rather not turn this into Rashford vs Martial. The question is, can any fan of either player honestly say they’re consistently playing well enough to be the two main men up front for a club that is trying to win big trophies?
Agree with all of this.If there's an area of the pitch where we don't have a problem it's in attack. Whenever we actually manage to et the ball to our attacking players with any kind of tempo, we almost invariably win the game.
Our forwards always seem to be the first in line for criticism but even the best attacking players in the world are frustrating and inconsistent. Rashford is certainly that but take him out of the game yesterday for example and we lose half our threat. Compare the problems he caused Everton to Mata on the opposite side who was a non entity. If we didn't have Rashford and Martial every single game would be a massive struggle.
I can't remember us having many (if any?) forward plaers who weren't inconsistent. RVP even in his good season went on a barron run and had frequent games where he'd just give the ball away cheaply over and over. Zlatan was fecking awful half the time. Rooney who is our highest ever goalscorer would have haave the touch of a drunk 80 year old in what seemed like most games. Only Ronaldo I can think of as an exception and even he was terrible half the time, just that he'd usually boot the ball into the goal a couple of times regardless.
The good thing is we have 2 very high level attacking players for me in Fernandes and Rashford, an extremely talented youngster in Greenwood, and Martial who for me isn't quite at the same level but is still pretty good. That's four very good forwards who you can actuallly fit in the team together, which means the inconsistenncy is a bit less important because even if three of them are having an off day the fourth can still win you the game. Really very few teams have that.
You look at Liverpool and Salah is off it half the time. Mane has days where he can't do a thing right. Firminho has frankly been rubbish for months. It's still good enough for them because having three good forwards means you don't rely on every one of them constantly being in top form. We have the bonus of Fernandes...our problems are more that we have frequent games where our defence or midfield seem to like making themselves the centre of attention while our forwards barely get a decent pass played to them all game.
Yeah. On the flip side I find it strange how many people, particularly with our midfield, seem to think work rate or quality is a choice. As if it's unreasonable for a player to have both...and yet Fernandes and Rashford have both.Agree with all of this.
It's just typical of many of our fans to hail the chaps who run around looking busy (Fred, Mctominay etc) as against those who have genuine quality. If Martial and Rashford are a problem (and our front three put up terrific numbers last season), what does that make our midfield, CBs and fullbacks? Or right wingers? An absolute joke? And if they are, then maybe our best players, like Rashford and Martail deserve to play in a team which has at least other positions at their level rather than well below it.
Liverpool's front line is better than ours. But its their buildup, control of games and chance creation that is miles ahead. The ease with which they get the ball to the forwards is the important part.
Excellent post, and I agree. I do think that Rashford would do much better with a deadly striker. We've missed the opportunity to watch Greenwood continue his growth, but a proper striker and a deadly winger opposite Rashford and we would win the league even with Maguire and Lindelof in front of DeGea.Supremely talented players and when they play well we look superb going forward. But, let’s be honest, they’ve been pretty rubbish so far this season. At the end of the day they are both very inconsistent. So is it any surprise that our attacking football is inconsistent too?
I think a team can carry one “yong and lernin” player up front but we shouldn’t be so reliant on two of them. And not without a really top quality, third attacker - in his prime - up front with them (i.e. someone considerably better than James or Mata)
Are there any other top teams so reliant on young/flaky players in such important positions?
To be fair even Ole could come out of retirement and still show more of an attacking instinct than Martial.Cavani at 45 years old showing exactly why Martial is so far away from the level we need if we aspire to ever be a top team again.
Martial is a placeholder now for me. He's had enough chances, and shines when he has space to work in, but is the single biggest reason why we struggle in these types of matches. Id be amazed if we weren't intending on breaking the bank for Haaland this summerThe fact that Rashford, however fitful, has demonstrably improved as a player since his first season, is an encouraging sign whenever he has an off day.
The fact that Martial hasn’t really, is not.
He’s a very good player, but he’s been struggling to break through the barrier to “great one” for 5 years... eventually the excuses about his position or his number or whatever it is this week, will run out.
Let's hope so. Wouldn't hold my breath thoughMartial is a placeholder now for me. He's had enough chances, and shines when he has space to work in, but is the single biggest reason why we struggle in these types of matches. Id be amazed if we weren't intending on breaking the bank for Haaland this summer