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Spot on - I think I agree man-for-man with this. If it's a team building thing, my only difference would possibly be Rivaldo 98-01 in for Ronaldinho because he formed such a devastating partnership with Ronaldo. But six and half a dozen really and Ronaldinho's peak is hard to beat by anyone, ever. Of course Zanetti/Cafu/Thuram are interchangeable. If we're looking at different positions, then perhaps an AM one could be included, which opens up a spot for any one of Zidane, Laudrup, Baggio, Iniesta and Rivaldo again.I'll do the same as Joga and split them into categories.
This is since the 90ish(included Baresi and Matthaus who overlap a bit)
LB: Maldini 93-95 - hard to look past him, especially during those 3 seasons. Top class defender who can play both centrally and on the left.
CB: Baresi 89-91 - the best central defender I've ever seen. Some notable performances of course the WC 94 against Romario and in 1990 against Holland of Gullit, Van Basten etc.
CB: Nesta 00-02 - pure defender, very subtle, elegant hard to look past him, despite some other stoppers from the 90's like Kohler, Desailly, etc...
RB: Zanetti 97-99 - personal preference, but Cafu of course has a serious claim for that spot.
DM: Redondo 97-99 - still remember that performance against us in CL.
CM(Playmaker): Xavi 08-10(11) - notch above anyone else. Bossed the midfield for probably one of the best club and national sides of all time.
B2B: Matthaus 89-91 - again notch above some of the rest memorable players since the 90's(Keane, Vieira, Davids, etc..)
LW: Ronaldinho 04-06 - unplayable on his day. The most entertaining player I've ever seen. He changed Barca and laid the foundations for its domination couple of years later. Highlights - the games against Milan and Chelsea.
CF: Fenomeno 96-98- best player I've seen live - that season with Barca was incredible and unstoppable.
RW: Messi 11-13 - I think many will cover him in their descriptions.
Agreed with the majority of choices although I'd have Cristiano and Rivaldo over Ronaldinho whilst Desailly edges out Redondo for me.I'll do the same as Joga and split them into categories.
This is since the 90ish(included Baresi and Matthaus who overlap a bit)
LB: Maldini 93-95 - hard to look past him, especially during those 3 seasons. Top class defender who can play both centrally and on the left.
CB: Baresi 89-91 - the best central defender I've ever seen. Some notable performances of course the WC 94 against Romario and in 1990 against Holland of Gullit, Van Basten etc.
CB: Nesta 00-02 - pure defender, very subtle, elegant hard to look past him, despite some other stoppers from the 90's like Kohler, Desailly, etc...
RB: Zanetti 97-99 - personal preference, but Cafu of course has a serious claim for that spot.
DM: Redondo 97-99 - still remember that performance against us in CL.
CM(Playmaker): Xavi 08-10(11) - notch above anyone else. Bossed the midfield for probably one of the best club and national sides of all time.
B2B: Matthaus 89-91 - again notch above some of the rest memorable players since the 90's(Keane, Vieira, Davids, etc..)
LW: Ronaldinho 04-06 - unplayable on his day. The most entertaining player I've ever seen. He changed Barca and laid the foundations for its domination couple of years later. Highlights - the games against Milan and Chelsea.
CF: Fenomeno 96-98- best player I've seen live - that season with Barca was incredible and unstoppable.
RW: Messi 11-13 - I think many will cover him in their descriptions.
Agreed as well. Personally for me it's between Laudrup and Iniesta for the #10 spot who just pip Zidane and Rivaldo. Of course many would disagree and put Zidane there, but Laudrup in that dream team was good as any in the beginning of the 90's. Truly special player whose decision to miss the EURO's hurt his legacy a bit as in my mind he would've absolutely starred there.Spot on - I think I agree man-for-man with this. If it's a team building thing, my only difference would possibly be Rivaldo 98-01 in for Ronaldinho because he formed such a devastating partnership with Ronaldo. But six and half a dozen really and Ronaldinho's peak is hard to beat by anyone, ever. Of course Zanetti/Cafu/Thuram are interchangeable. If we're looking at different positions, then perhaps an AM one could be included, which opens up a spot for any one of Zidane, Laudrup, Baggio, Iniesta and Rivaldo again.
Yeah, Cristiano might be more effective and his longevity boosts his credentials, but Goofy was something else for me if we compare just peaks. The most talented player I ever seen. He wasn't as fast and as explosive as Fenomeno(but then who is) but he was just as unpredictable as he was. You can never expect his next move as Dinho didn't repeat his tricks and faints, it seemed like an endless repertoire of pulling magic out of a hat.Agreed with the majority of choices although I'd have Cristiano and Rivaldo over Ronaldinho whilst Desailly edges out Redondo for me.
This is a great list you've chosen and it seems we share the same favorite player.I'll do the same as Joga and split them into categories.
This is since the 90ish(included Baresi and Matthaus who overlap a bit)
LB: Maldini 93-95 - hard to look past him, especially during those 3 seasons. Top class defender who can play both centrally and on the left.
CB: Baresi 89-91 - the best central defender I've ever seen. Some notable performances of course the WC 94 against Romario and in 1990 against Holland of Gullit, Van Basten etc.
CB: Nesta 00-02 - pure defender, very subtle, elegant hard to look past him, despite some other stoppers from the 90's like Kohler, Desailly, etc...
RB: Zanetti 97-99 - personal preference, but Cafu of course has a serious claim for that spot.
DM: Redondo 97-99 - still remember that performance against us in CL.
CM(Playmaker): Xavi 08-10(11) - notch above anyone else. Bossed the midfield for probably one of the best club and national sides of all time.
B2B: Matthaus 89-91 - again notch above some of the rest memorable players since the 90's(Keane, Vieira, Davids, etc..)
LW: Ronaldinho 04-06 - unplayable on his day. The most entertaining player I've ever seen. He changed Barca and laid the foundations for its domination couple of years later. Highlights - the games against Milan and Chelsea.
CF: Fenomeno 96-98- best player I've seen live - that season with Barca was incredible and unstoppable.
RW: Messi 11-13 - I think many will cover him in their descriptions.
I don't. He ain't even in my top 3. But I don't look at the stats at all, for me one's peak is just about how good he could play at his best.Messi 11-12. You really could pick 5 different Messi seasons but, I think that one was the most dominant. And really anyone who does not pick Messi first is lying to themselves.
He scored 91 goals in a calendar year with 24 assists. Yet he wasn't just about stats, his all round attacking game was unbelievable. He also won the following in that year; La Liga, CL, Copa Del Rey, Spanish Supercup, European Supercup, Club World Cup.I don't. He ain't even in my top 3. But I don't look at the stats at all, for me one's peak is just about how good he could play at his best.
Perhaps my reasoning needed more explaining.He scored 91 goals in a calendar year with 24 assists. Yet he wasn't just about stats, his all round attacking game was unbelievable. He also won the following in that year; La Liga, CL, Copa Del Rey, Spanish Supercup, European Supercup, Club World Cup.
He didn't even win the league in them years,This is a great list you've chosen and it seems we share the same favorite player.
For me, nobody tops Ronaldo 96-98.
Second place goes to Ronaldinho 04-06.
Cruyff 71-73 catches the podium in 3rd place
Messi is only 4th on my list. He might have scored more goals at his peak, but he did it while playing more matches compared to Ronaldo, against weaker defenses and with a team 10 times as good.
Crumbles under pressure? He has scored or assisted in more finals than most players and has been the best player of the world class players he played with for 12 years in a row.Perhaps my reasoning needed more explaining.
I don't care about how much someone scored/assisted in a season or on how much he won.
The way I compare them is by looking at their best version, and choosing which one would I have in my team more. As great as Messi was that season, he had behind him one of the best club teams ever assembled, if not "the best".
Now, if I were the manager of an average team like Norwich, I'd rather have a Ronaldo (Fenomeno), a Maradona or a Pele in my team, cause I know they could addapt a lot easier and have a huge impact. Messi always crumbles under pressure and plays great only when he's surrounded by world class players.
In 96-97 he lost the title by a mere 2 points and was the best player in La Liga, despite this being his first season with Barcelona.He didn't even win the league in them years
It's easy to play well when your team does well and you are in front, but when push comes to shove, he's nowhere to be found.Crumbles under pressure? He has scored or assisted in more finals than most players and has been the best player of the world class players he played with for 12 years in a row.
I already covered the first part. As for the second part of your statement, do you even know what happened back then ?!?R9 from 96-98 didn't even win a league title and lost 3-0 in the World Cup final. I guess the pressure got to him in that game and didn't perform while being surrounded by world class players.
Cristiano Ronaldo fanatic ?!?Imagine saying Messi only performs with world class players when you are a Cristiano Ronaldo fanatic. It is ironic because Cristiano has played for Man United, Real Madrid and Juventus surrounded by world class players.
Thats a ridiculous take. Did Maradona win every single game and tournament he played, or did R9/Pele?They lost a bunch too, and disappeared in many important matches too. If they didnt, they would have won all their trophies they played for. You make it seem like these players were performing week in week out for 15 years straight dominating every big game, and that is simply far from the truth.Do I need to remind you of all the finals he has lost with Argentina where he didn't do anything ? His penalty miss in a Copa America final !!!
He has always crumbled with Argentina. He “retired” after the 2016 Copa America tournament because Argentina once again came up short in a final and he couldn’t handle the aftermath.
Or how about the times where Barcelona needed him and he didn't do anything ? Like vs Inter in 2010, vs Chelsea in 2012 (where he again missed a penalty), vs Bayern in 2013, vs Roma in 2018, vs Liverpool in 2019, vs Bayern in 2020 etc. Countless big matches where his team needed him to shine and he just couldn't do it.
Like it or not, he's mentally weak.
Now you are just twisting and mocking my words in order to suit your fanboy agendaBogdann has a weird thing about Messi - so far I've heard him say:
1) Messi is incapable of doing an elastico
2) Claimed Messi would be too scared to dribble if he played in the 60s
3) Messi cheated by getting HGH treatment as a child as it gave him the special power of having size 9 feet
4) Reckons he used to be a professional footballer
Nah these are actually things you have said - perhaps you were drunk when you wrote them;Now you are just twisting and mocking my words in order to suit your fanboy agenda
All you Messi fanboys can't handle it when someone doesn't agree with you about him.
And I said that for me the main criteria for judging talent is ball ability, hence why I see R10 as being more talented. I just gave the elastico as an example of a ball skill that Messi can't do.
Maradona might not have done an elastico, but he was doing done countless other tricks (like rabonas, nutmegs, roulettes etc). Show me Messi doing rabonas on a consistent basis.
Pele, Garrincha and Best grew up with that sort of bad treatment, they were used to it and their bodies adapted to the constant fouling. Messi is not used to it and would start panicking the moment they hit him hard to the point that he'd be afraid to even attempt to dribble.
You should have done some research of the way HGH affects the body. One of the effects is increased limbs, in Messi's case show size. He wears size 10, which is huge for someone so small as him. That extra shoe size coupled with his small stature and thus low center of gravity helps him be way more stable of his feet when he's dribbling, that's why I said it is cheating.
I was a pro footballer, just not in a top league like Premier League, Serie A, La Liga, Bundesliga etc.
I wrote them in a particular context, you bringing them up in a different context means you are twisting them.Nah these are actually things you have said - perhaps you were drunk when you wrote them;
1) Messi is incapable of doing an elastico
2) Claimed Messi would be too scared to dribble if he played in the 60s
3) Messi cheated by getting HGH treatment as a child as it gave him the special power of having size 9 feet
4) Reckons he used to be a professional footballer
I'm literally quoting the laughable things you've claimed verbatim. There is no context that can make them any less daft but you're welcome to provide 'context'. I could do with another laugh.I wrote them in a particular context, you bringing them up in a different context means you are twisting them.