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I just saw this, Christ Lee Mason should be punished for that. Why did he blow his whistle if they weren’t supposed to take it?

Honestly referees are ruining football.
Yes indeed.
Football narrative nowadays is dominated by referees and VAR. Some are fine margins which is understandable.
But too many are just plain incompetence.
Mason should certainly be dropped from PL games.
 

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I can’t understand how VAR checked to see if he blew the whistle before it went over the line. Is that even allowed as a VAR check, has the way the sound carries or difference in speed of it been calibrated, what if the whistle was blown a a fraction later and ball was just about to cross or on the line, how do they measure the speed of sound with their paintbrush lines?

it’s an absolute farce
 

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I'm usually pretty soft on referees but Lee Mason fecked up to the extent where he shouldn't be officiating in the Premier League for a fair while. What an absolute mess that was in a match of such consequence.
 

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I'm usually pretty soft on referees but Lee Mason fecked up to the extent where he shouldn't be officiating in the Premier League for a fair while. What an absolute mess that was in a match of such consequence.
He knew he was fecked when he was wiping his cold sweat away walking towards the bench.
I think Linekar had it right when he said that mason blew for the free kick to be taken thinking the wall etc had been set, looked up and seen keeper on the post and panicked and blew it again. Such a feck up!
 

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And to the shock of everybody, dermott Gallagher and of course even more shocking, Peter Walton said the ref was essentially correct and did the right thing

 

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And to the shock of everybody, dermott Gallagher and of course even more shocking, Peter Walton said the ref was essentially correct and did the right thing

The correct decision was given in the end, so technically they did the right thing.
 

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And to the shock of everybody, dermott Gallagher and of course even more shocking, Peter Walton said the ref was essentially correct and did the right thing

None of those lads on BT have a clue what actually happened but what do you expect from the likes of Savage.

Obviously he has the luxury of more time but Lineker was probably right and the VAR check was to see if the whistle was blown a second time before the ball crossed the line.
 

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It was an absolute shit-show from Mason. First for blowing the whistle early, then for panicking and blowing it a second time, then for trying to allow a goal that couldn't stand.

So yeah he got the right decision in the end but only after he created the problem in the first place by having a mini-meltdown.
 

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The correct decision was given in the end, so technically they did the right thing.
The correct decision based on what happened?
Probably, I won't argue that

I still think this is a big cock up by the referee that's costly for Brighton (yes the penalties being missed were as big)

I'm all for referee protection, but it needs to go both ways if they want respect.

None of those lads on BT have a clue what actually happened but what do you expect from the likes of Savage.

Obviously he has the luxury of more time but Lineker was probably right and the VAR check was to see if the whistle was blown a second time before the ball crossed the line.
Probably although it did look like it was checked to see if he blew it at all and it seemed to be indicated he told Brighton he didn't blow the whistle, but then that had to be checked?

Looking forward to the statement tomorrow
 

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The correct decision based on what happened?
Probably, I won't argue that

I still think this is a big cock up by the referee that's costly for Brighton (yes the penalties being missed were as big)

I'm all for referee protection, but it needs to go both ways if they want respect.
Well clearly you are arguing it by trying to criticize Walton for saying the correct decision was made, when it was.

Its not costly for Brighton at all. They had a free kick and still got a free kick. They didn’t deserve anything more. It didn’t cost them anything. He accidentally blew his whistle to start and immediately blew again to stop. Painting Brighton as some sort of victim is nothing short of nonsense. They didn’t lose anything.

Refs aren’t shown any respect in the first place so it clearly doesn’t go both ways.
 

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The correct decision based on what happened?
Probably, I won't argue that

I still think this is a big cock up by the referee that's costly for Brighton (yes the penalties being missed were as big)

I'm all for referee protection, but it needs to go both ways if they want respect.


Probably although it did look like it was checked to see if he blew it at all and it seemed to be indicated he told Brighton he didn't blow the whistle, but then that had to be checked?

Looking forward to the statement tomorrow
Well they showed on MOTD that the second whistle was blown before the ball crossed the line so it had to be disallowed, regardless of what occured prior to that.

They reckoned the ref said he could take it and blew the whistle but as it was taken he noticed that the keeper wasn't in position, panicked and blew it a second time.

Yeah how they explain why he blew it twice and if they attempt to explain it all away as not being a mistake on the ref's part will be interesting alright.
 

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Happened in the rugby yesterday to. Ref told England's captain to speak to his team so they huddled and spoke, 21 seconds after he told them to do that he blew the whistle for play on and Wales scored with a kick to the corner.

The England team hadn't even broke their huddle.

Try stood.

Uproar ensued.
 

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Well clearly you are arguing it by trying to criticize Walton for saying the correct decision was made, when it was.

Its not costly for Brighton at all. They had a free kick and still got a free kick. They didn’t deserve anything more. It didn’t cost them anything. He accidentally blew his whistle to start and immediately blew again to stop. Painting Brighton as some sort of victim is nothing short of nonsense. They didn’t lose anything.

Refs aren’t shown any respect in the first place so it clearly doesn’t go both ways.
Well clearly I'm not as I said I wont
Not sure why you're getting worked up about that when I'm clearly making fun of Walton (and dermott)

Yes I know refs aren't shown respect and I'm all for them being mic'd up and those who argue / swear being cautioned or dismissed
I've advocated that for a long time

As I said, the whole thing was a shambles, the goal being awarded a var check happening made it an even bigger bit of nonsense brought about by bad refereeing. I can certainly see why Dunk was annoyed (and I'll accept they had the initial free kick anyway)
 

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For me once he’s blown the whistle, he has no right to blow again before the ball crosses the line to save his own arse. He should take it on the chin. Brighton did nothing wrong and scored, or would have, a perfectly legitimate goal....only cancelled out because the ref changed his mind and blew again a split second before the ball hit the net.

It’s the right decision because the ref blew a second time?.....he shouldn’t have blown a second time. He allowed the play to happen.
 

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Well they showed on MOTD that the second whistle was blown before the ball crossed the line so it had to be disallowed, regardless of what occured prior to that.

They reckoned the ref said he could take it and blew the whistle but as it was taken he noticed that the keeper wasn't in position, panicked and blew it a second time.

Yeah how they explain why he blew it twice and if they attempt to explain it all away as not being a mistake on the ref's part will be interesting alright.
They probably dont mention it at all.

Mason been replaced as 4th official due to ... injury. So yeah, probably a statement about his injury.
 

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Well clearly you are arguing it by trying to criticize Walton for saying the correct decision was made, when it was.

Its not costly for Brighton at all. They had a free kick and still got a free kick. They didn’t deserve anything more. It didn’t cost them anything. He accidentally blew his whistle to start and immediately blew again to stop. Painting Brighton as some sort of victim is nothing short of nonsense. They didn’t lose anything.

Refs aren’t shown any respect in the first place so it clearly doesn’t go both ways.
Of course it’s costly for Brighton, he didn’t accidentally blow his whistle, that would take some doing. He chose to blow the whistle because the free kick was ready to be taken, then panicked when he seen the keeper on his post so blew again. None of it an accident.

the right decision was made in the end because he’d blown again before it went over the line, luckily that is kind of clear, but still not a Calibrated measure so a goal couldn’t be given, But it Was the wrong decision to even blow the whistle again and that’s what cost Brighton, they scored a perfectly legitimate goal and it got ruled out.
 

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It’s quite telling that every week there is more discussion about refereeing than football.

Football has become a bit of a bore. Even City, hands down, the best team are fecking boring. Possession obsession. Half the geniuses on here think it’s fabulous and we don’t want to see matches won by individual brilliance.

state of the game at every level... corrupt admin, refs, players diving/cheating, agents, virtual fans, Robbie Savag/Jamesie Redknapp etc

Reckon we’ve seen the best of it.
 

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Of course it’s costly for Brighton, he didn’t accidentally blow his whistle, that would take some doing. He chose to blow the whistle because the free kick was ready to be taken, then panicked when he seen the keeper on his post so blew again. None of it an accident.

the right decision was made in the end because he’d blown again before it went over the line, luckily that is kind of clear, but still not a Calibrated measure so a goal couldn’t be given, But it Was the wrong decision to even blow the whistle again and that’s what cost Brighton, they scored a perfectly legitimate goal and it got ruled out.
It isn’t costly for Brighton. He blew the whistle before he should have and immediately blew again to rectify the mistake. That’s an accident.

It was the right decision to blow the whistle again. He shouldn’t have blown to take the free kick but luckily quickly realized his mistake and blew again to stop. 100% the correct decision. It didn’t cost Brighton anything. They got a free kick, exactly as they deserved. They didn’t score a legitimate goal at all and it was completely undeserved. Thankfully he quickly realized his mistake and was able to stop an illegitimate goal from counting. Rebalancing order and not costing either side anything.

You’ve shown a complete lack of understanding of the laws in the past or how VAR works. Along with a complete lack of any logic in favour of complaining about everything. So I’ll leave you to your crying as it’s a waste of time engaging with you on it.
 

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Lee Mason has withdrawn due to an injury from 4th official duties at Bramall Lane.
 

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Of course it’s costly for Brighton, he didn’t accidentally blow his whistle, that would take some doing. He chose to blow the whistle because the free kick was ready to be taken, then panicked when he seen the keeper on his post so blew again. None of it an accident.

the right decision was made in the end because he’d blown again before it went over the line, luckily that is kind of clear, but still not a Calibrated measure so a goal couldn’t be given, But it Was the wrong decision to even blow the whistle again and that’s what cost Brighton, they scored a perfectly legitimate goal and it got ruled out.
Yep
 

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Happened in the rugby yesterday to. Ref told England's captain to speak to his team so they huddled and spoke, 21 seconds after he told them to do that he blew the whistle for play on and Wales scored with a kick to the corner.

The England team hadn't even broke their huddle.

Try stood.

Uproar ensued.
That's ok, it's only England
 

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It isn’t costly for Brighton. He blew the whistle before he should have and immediately blew again to rectify the mistake. That’s an accident.

It was the right decision to blow the whistle again. He shouldn’t have blown to take the free kick but luckily quickly realized his mistake and blew again to stop. 100% the correct decision. It didn’t cost Brighton anything. They got a free kick, exactly as they deserved. They didn’t score a legitimate goal at all and it was completely undeserved. Thankfully he quickly realized his mistake and was able to stop an illegitimate goal from counting. Rebalancing order and not costing either side anything.

You’ve shown a complete lack of understanding of the laws in the past or how VAR works. Along with a complete lack of any logic in favour of complaining about everything. So I’ll leave you to your crying as it’s a waste of time engaging with you on it.
Tbf he didn't just blow the whistle, realise his mistake and blow a second time to stop it.

He blew his whistle, realised his mistake, blew a second time to stop it, then decided to allow the goal to stand after all for some reason, then disallowed it following the VAR review that pointed out he couldn't let it stand as he had blown the whistle a second time.

Presumably Brighton would argue that while the ref may have regretted allowing the free-kick to be taken, once he did so they were entitled to score it. And that the second whistle was the problem, as demonstrated by the fact that Mason was willing to allow the goal to stand were it not for that second whistle.

Basically I think he botched it badly enough that someone would feel aggrieved regardless of the outcome.

Incidentally, when we say he "shouldn't" have blown to allow the free to be taken initially, are there actual rules dictating when it should/shouldn't be taken? Or is it just down to the ref to manage free-kicks as he deems fit?

Edit: Unless he allowed the goal because the thought that while he had tried to blow the whistle to stop the free-kick, he hadn't managed to do so before the ball had crossed the line?
 
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It isn’t costly for Brighton. He blew the whistle before he should have and immediately blew again to rectify the mistake. That’s an accident.

It was the right decision to blow the whistle again. He shouldn’t have blown to take the free kick but luckily quickly realized his mistake and blew again to stop. 100% the correct decision. It didn’t cost Brighton anything. They got a free kick, exactly as they deserved. They didn’t score a legitimate goal at all and it was completely undeserved. Thankfully he quickly realized his mistake and was able to stop an illegitimate goal from counting. Rebalancing order and not costing either side anything.

You’ve shown a complete lack of understanding of the laws in the past or how VAR works. Along with a complete lack of any logic in favour of complaining about everything. So I’ll leave you to your crying as it’s a waste of time engaging with you on it.
What are on you about the past where I didn’t know the rules? Let’s see I don’t remember that.

As for this we just disagree.
 

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Incidentally, when we say he "shouldn't" have blown to allow the free to be taken initially, are there actual rules dictating when it should/shouldn't be taken? Or is it just down to the ref to manage free-kicks as he deems fit?

Edit: Unless he allowed the goal because the thought that while he had tried to blow the whistle to stop the free-kick, he hadn't managed to do so before the ball had crossed the line?
I think its down to the referee in that part. I think.

He blew not realising the keeper was out of position. If he had allowed it (without the second whistles, WBA would have been aggrieved but most would have accepted it) It always annoys me that teams which are fouled, have the advantage fully taken away from them and cant take free kicks quickly (sometimes).
 

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Good stuff from Paul Tierney today.
Made a nice change to see a VAR check applied correctly at Leicester today early on. This was when Paul Tierney initially awarded Arsenal a penalty, after Pepe came down in the box. Pepe challenged by Tielemans on the one side (in the area) and Ndidi on the other side (outside the area). Pepe was clearly fouled, but a VAR check showed that it was Ndidi who fouled him, just outside the box. Tierney changed his original decision and awarded Arsenal a free kick just outsde the box. That was good to see, VAR doing his job correctly to help the on field ref in a tight situation, at speed.
 

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How come Chelsea players are allowed to shout at the ref when they looking at the monitor?
 

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So players can get around the refs at the screen now?

Joke of a decision and the players without a doubt influenced him.
 

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Sorry but that is absolutely disgusting. Sick of referees, absolutely sick of them.
 

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You cannot say that was a natural position for his arm/hand. It might be a bit soft but that’s a penalty under their current rules. The inconsistency in decision making is ridiculous.
 

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That's why we need to hear real-time conversations.

The post match explanation will be made up. You need to hear the real time reason it wasn't given