Unless its in an unnatural position. I don't think it should be a handball, but under the rules the leagues has set itself, it's a clear handball.
He was a poor referee who couldn't keep control of games, it's no surprise he's a poor boss of referees who can't keep control of the organisation.
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Fair enough! I just would focus more on the outcome rather than the action itself, personally. Appreciate the discussion mate!
Not trying to WUM but I'm not exactly following you here, apologies.
Spot on. This is exactly what I've been trying to say.
I'd assume so? Saw this in real time, very naughty stuff.
Not sure how anyone can watch that and think Mount is the one who did something wrong!
Mount kicked him after the foul, Fred got yellow for the foul, Mount was lucky he didn't get anything for that.And he connected, even if just briefly. Can imagine a different player than Fred rolling around in agony from that and drawing more attention to it
As a bare minimum, Mount should've had a yellow.
Fred should have.
Well they tell us they review everything so they must have done.
It’s the kind of stuff I thought VAR may have been introduced to pick up on, the sneaky kick outs missed by the ref, clearly not.
What was Fred's reaction? There was not one at all because he didn't kick him.
there wouldn’t because people could accept mistakes made in real time, that handball was hard to see and I thought it was mason who handled it in real time. With replays and freeze frames and still making an iffy decision, that leaves a different sour taste feeling.
Seriously? Watch properly you might see it.
come on there's nothing in thatMount definitely got Fred on the left ankle. Missed Fred's leg in front but got him on the back one.
He did connect
Fred didn't seem to notice, if he did connect. I'm not talking about rolling around, there was literally zero reaction.
Never more then a yellow for Fred, just as it's never more then a yellow (if that) for Mount.
I don't think there would have - because in real time very few people spotted the handball. So I think there would have been a much greater level of sympathy with the ref.
It is a bit weird/daft the yellow card rules with VAR.
There is nothing in that because Fred didn't roll on the ground. It was clear yellow card offense, but Chelsea players escaped so many yellows kicking James all game, so wasn't surprising Mount didn't get one.
I was one of the very few
Then you have eagle eyes my friend - I like Tyler and Neville thought Mason handballed it!I was one of the very few
I spotted the hand ball in real time and was wondering why ref didn't give penalty.
It was a wimpy meaningless kick yes but it did connect Only Fred was too busy worrying what the ref was going to do, if he was ‘cleverer’ he would have flopped back down and rolled around. I don’t like players doing that but they do and it works, especially these days with VAR and the doubt that surrounds everything.
That's the problem isn't it, previously there was a good deal of sympathy on refs as it all happens in a split second and they are humans too without much help. Now they have all the assistance, replays, multiple angles and still make poor decisions.
They didn’t review Maguire’s kick out last season either, can’t complain really.
He barely touches him. If he made more meaningful contact they definitely would have reviewed it.
They did.
They did review that, just didn't think it was a red for Maguire.
That’s the main issue with VAR and how it’s being used imo. The over scrutiny of everything (accept clear kick outs that may only be yellows) is just too much.
In a match where Chelsea were pretty much allowed to do whatever they wanted to break up our attacks, i care.
That's a slightly different issue to an off the ball incident he probably didn't spot though.
