You know what's more clear? That actual video. The image does not show if the Arm is going up or down, if this being pulled or pushed. It means nothing.
Ah I see. Yeah, I take your point, but I do think fouls and handballs are slightly different from each other personally. A foul is a foul - they're called regardless of whether a defender benefits. Handball is and always has been a gray area - apart from the utter disaster that was early this season when they were calling it on black and white terms (e.g. the Dier incident).
You don't need to convince me, I think it was a penalty.
I love how you’ve spent five pages of this thread making up supposed interpretations of the law that all conspire to somehow make it not a penalty against Chelsea while conveniently ignoring the laws of the game and what they actually say since that would lead to the conclusion that it should’ve been a penalty against Chelsea.
Because he was scared to, it would lead to too much controversy. Kind of said this already, along the lines of what shaw was saying, unless he was lying/ playing Chinese whisper.
Him being "scared to give it" is ridiculous. Scared of what? Media coverage? He's got far worse coverage for not giving the pen!
Well unless Shaw has got it wrong that was the reason
They've already said he got it wrong, haven't they?
Yeah I suppose, that could be backtracking to avoid bans who knows.
I personally don't think they should even get the ref to re-watch it. Just flat out tell him he missed it and to give the pen.
What can I say? Slow day at work!
You’re still ignoring the point that was put to you that a ref making a mistake live one can have a bit of sympathy for and understand the mistake, speed of the game etc. not when they’ve already watched ten replays and still made a dodgy call.
Late to the party but I don't think anyone said that did they? Has anyone said Fred didn't do anything wrong?
Ok man makes mistake doing his job. It happens, unless there's some skullduggery going on, does it really invite being called every name under the sun and more, and people loosing their minds.
The problem with your “analysis” is that it’s not a mistake a referee would make.
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"Should I come and have a look to sell it" doesn't sit right with me.
Much easier for the players to accept the decision though which will make it easier for everyone for the rest of the game and calm everyone’s temper. It shouldn’t be needed but I think it was the right call considering how a game can spiral out of control in the face of perceived injustice.
Yeh, rather bizarre. The players are standing right there, and he has already told them it is being checked. So selling it can only be for the crowd/TV, which again seems pointless. Just seems to be manufacturing drama
Yeah exactly. Game management technique.
I agree. Yes please.
odd, how they manage well enough in other countries. Even Australia... hardly a hotbed of football culture. Maybe this helps?
Even those videos of the refs being the stars in Australia I don’t really like to be honest, the one I’ve seen is the ref repeatedly asking “tell me when I’m on tell me when I’m on” and this ref is “going to sell it”. Superstar refs!
You mean refs aren’t wannabe stars in the PL?
Yes I think some of the refs in the PL also want to be stars and couldn’t think of anything better than being the centre of attention looking at their little screen and making big decisions, I’ve seen them say as much and the Adrenalin rush they get from big calls or correct calls. I don’t think we should be adding to their want for centre of attention.
A few points:
Oh, certainly agree on the whole. I just have this little voice in my head saying there will always be a clamour for some degree of interference but yes, they're doing a fine job of ruining a great game.
Those are some valid points and the offsides is clearly something that could work for good, however I feel the timeframe of 10 years to get it right is a strange one. In 10 years we'll mostly have forgotten about how football was played before VAR, which would make it harder to scrap and you would evaluate VAR against feelings of the game that would long be forgotten and unmeasurable.
Did introducing subs / the backpass rule / whatever else impact you wanting to celebrate a goal?
Ha, I was actually at that game supporting the team that conceded the goal. That game was pretty much 2 years ago. After the 2nd or 3rd replay it was clear to me that the officials were going to award the goal. From when the ball hit the net, I think they took maybe 3 minutes to award the goal. I don't remember there being frustration about how long the officials were taking either. The ref in question is now refereeing in England.
Yep, just the sheer amount of money that will have been pumped into VAR after a decade will be pretty significant. I read before that just installing goal-line technology across Europe's stadiums cost 50 million+, so you'd imagine the cost of installing VAR systems was more than that again. Then there's the cost of developing and installing improvements from then on (like the new offside tech) and ongoing training programs for those using it.
again, its not the end of the world. the other option is to get rid of VAR, and let the refs make the decisions in real-time. meanwhile the tv companies will continue with VAR technology plus plus plus, and no doubt laud it over the refs everytime a decision is shown to have been 'incorrect' to create clicks / get eyeballs etc, how do you think referees will cope with that level of scrutiny / abuse.
