Ronaldo will take Rooney’s record

Ladron de redcafe

Full Member
Joined
Oct 25, 2020
Messages
1,202
It just takes 45 goals a season per 3 seasons. Certainly it is within reach - he had 6 seasons in a row with 50+ goals during his Real tenure
Somewhat fallacious reasoning because what someone did as a younger player has no bearing on what he'd do as an older man. The last time he scored 45 in a season was 6 seasons ago.
 

Alemar

Full Member
Joined
Jul 11, 2017
Messages
4,711
Somewhat fallacious reasoning because what someone did as a younger player has no bearing on what he'd do as an older man. The last time he scored 45 in a season was 6 seasons ago.
But why shouldn’t he? He is obviously one of the best finishers ever to play the game - and we have a lot of creativity in the squad (as well as a season full of games). If Ronaldo averages 1 goal a game, he will be well ahead of schedule
 

The holy trinity 68

The disparager
Joined
Apr 10, 2016
Messages
3,998
Location
Manchester
But why shouldn’t he? He is obviously one of the best finishers ever to play the game - and we have a lot of creativity in the squad (as well as a season full of games). If Ronaldo averages 1 goal a game, he will be well ahead of schedule
He won't play every game for a start. He is in a tougher league than his last 6 seasons. He didn't score 45 goals for 6 seasons in a better RM team full of creativity, and a Juve team that ran rampant with the league for years. He was also younger.

But for some reason you think he will now do it in a worse team, in a tougher league, at the age of 36. There is realism or optimism but then there is straight delusion.
 
Last edited:

Ladron de redcafe

Full Member
Joined
Oct 25, 2020
Messages
1,202
But why shouldn’t he? He is obviously one of the best finishers ever to play the game - and we have a lot of creativity in the squad (as well as a season full of games). If Ronaldo averages 1 goal a game, he will be well ahead of schedule
Because he - like most athletes - have peaks. Even the greatest players aren't the same player at 36 than they were at 26. Is it possible that Ronaldo will have a second peak at 36 and start hitting numbers he hasn't hit since 2016? I suppose anything is possible, but there isn't really a reason to believe that's going to happen.

I think mid 30s is a more realistic expectation.
 

MrEleson

Full Member
Joined
Oct 25, 2014
Messages
1,118
Somewhat fallacious reasoning because what someone did as a younger player has no bearing on what he'd do as an older man. The last time he scored 45 in a season was 6 seasons ago.
He scored around that in his last 2 seasons at RM.
 

Mickson

Full Member
Joined
Dec 2, 2007
Messages
2,655
Location
Vidal's knee
He won't play every game for a start. He is in a tougher league than his last 6 seasons. He didn't score 45 goals for 6 seasons in a better RM team full of creativity, and a Juve team that rant rampan with the league for years. He was also younger.

But for some reason you think he will now do it in a worse team, in a tougher league, at the age of 36. There is realism or optimism but then there is straight delusion.
This. And do we have so much creativity? It's not like we set the world alight and bombarded Southampton and Wolves with chances. I can't see a scenario where Ronaldo would even change these games, we were that poor in our general play.
 

shamans

Hoser
Joined
Oct 25, 2010
Messages
15,230
Location
Just want to see Scholes hit a volley.
This. And do we have so much creativity? It's not like we set the world alight and bombarded Southampton and Wolves with chances. I can't see a scenario where Ronaldo would even change these games, we were that poor in our general play.
His movement would create chances. Martial was playing that game might as well play a box there.
 

The Brown Bull

Full Member
Joined
Jan 24, 2014
Messages
2,744
Location
Dublin.
I wish Ronaldo nothing but the best on his return.I truly do.
That said this is one of the daftest threads ever!
136 goal in 2 years?
Ah here.
 

Jericho

New Member
Newbie
Joined
May 14, 2012
Messages
472
By right Rooney should still be here adding to his record and this two legends should be linking up. Hard to believe Rooney is younger than Ronaldo and yet has been well over the hill for so many years now.
 

Gonçalo Motta

Full Member
Joined
Nov 20, 2013
Messages
566
Location
Porto, Portugal
He will hit the 200 mark if he stays here for 3 years and that will be remarkable enough.

450 for Real Madrid, 108 for Juventus, 110+ for the NT and 200+ for us.

Love him or hate him, that's impressive
 

shahzy

Full Member
Joined
Sep 6, 2014
Messages
808
He’s 136 goals away. He’s 36. No chance.
Would need 30 goals a season for 4.5 years. He's the type of guy to keep himself in absolute peak shape for his age just to prolong himself to play till 40 years old.
 

CR7Giggs11

New Member
Newbie
Joined
Sep 6, 2021
Messages
12
If he wants to break it, he will break it. It is that simple. He will break that record if he plays for 4 seasons. And if he falls short in the 4th season, he will be back a 5th. I think it is funny how so many of our fans doubt that he can do it. He can easily score 20 goals a season in his sleep. I think he will score 35+ this season.
 

RedDevilRoshi

Full Member
Joined
Sep 28, 2017
Messages
7,172
Wayne Rooney 253
Sir Bobby Charlton 249
Denis Law 237
Jack Rowley 211
Dennis Viollet 179
George Best 179
Joe Spence 168
Ryan Giggs 168
Mark Hughes 163
Paul Scholes 155
Ruud van Nistelrooy 150
Stan Pearson 148
David Herd 145
Tommy Taylor 131
Brian McClair 127
Ole Gunnar Solskjaer 126
Andy Cole 121
Cristiano Ronaldo 118



He’s going over Ole this month for sure
I think he could definitely catch-up and overtake Dennis Viollet into the top 5. Jack Rowley & Denis Law, I’m not too sure but then again this is Ronaldo and anything is possible.
 

Ali Dia

Full Member
Joined
May 10, 2013
Messages
8,975
Location
Souness's Super Sub/George Weahs Talented Cousin
I just wish we’d kept him in his prime and made him the highest paid player in the world, if he’d have stayed around. I’m sure SAF tried but we weren’t paying those kind of wtf wages till Sanchez rocked up? Madrid and barca were paying close to and over a million a week about 5 years ago. That’s the “prestige”
 

Eddy_JukeZ

Full Member
Joined
Aug 21, 2012
Messages
13,363
I just wish we’d kept him in his prime and made him the highest paid player in the world, if he’d have stayed around. I’m sure SAF tried but we weren’t paying those kind of wtf wages till Sanchez rocked up? Madrid and barca were paying close to and over a million a week about 5 years ago. That’s the “prestige”
You think he would have stayed even if we offered more money than Real?

I don't think he would have.
 

RedRonaldo

Full Member
Joined
Aug 17, 2003
Messages
13,630
I wish Ronaldo nothing but the best on his return.I truly do.
That said this is one of the daftest threads ever!
136 goal in 2 years?
Ah here.
He will stay here for at least 3 years, as he has a 2 + 1 years contract with us.
So yeh, the question being, could he scored 136 goals for us in next 3 years.

I mean, it does still sound impossible (needs to score 45 goals per season), but Ronaldo is the type of player who always goes for every records out there, he already broke almost every records out there, including Pele's all time record, and also all time international record, there's almost nothing else left for him to break. But if he needs another record to go for here, to motivates himself or something, Rooney's one would be nice.

The only records he hasn't yet managed to break:

WC - currently on 7 goals, recorder hold Klose has 16, can he do it next year, scoring 10 goals in a tournament ? Not possible.
Man Utd - currently on 118 goals, record holder Ronney has 253, can he do it in 3 years scoring 136 goals? Not likely, but lets see.
 
Last edited:

Red the Bear

New Member
Newbie
Joined
Aug 26, 2021
Messages
113
You think he would have stayed even if we offered more money than Real?

I don't think he would have.
Weather or not he would have stayed i dont think we did our best to the him down (i recall offer of a contract extension and wage increase)

Of all the flack glazers get post saf restraint to spend shouldn't be one of em (idiotic spending yes)

Their spending circa 2006 to 2013 was criminal and im certain it cost us at least 1 pl (of the 2 that we didn't win ) and a much better cl record

Looking back no team should play an European final with a midfield 3 of Anderson Carrick and an over the hill gigs

Oy if they had spent more there's no telling how football history would have changed i doubt gurdiolla would have gotten this far and would have certainly changed barcas fortune's

I never really got over their dismal funding through those years wasn't it for Fergie I don't know how we have coped
 
Last edited:

Slysi17

New Member
Newbie
Joined
Jul 11, 2015
Messages
478
No he won't. He's 135 goals away.
Hell need to get about 27 goals per season over 5 years to beat it. If it's in 4 years, about 34 goals a season. 3 years is 45 goals a season. I doubt he'll play more than 3 years at this level and for us... so I'm pretty sure he's not getting the record and scoring 45 goals per season
I disagree. This is Cristiano Ronaldo and not some normal 36 year old. I can see him playing at the top level until he is 40.
 

Red the Bear

New Member
Newbie
Joined
Aug 26, 2021
Messages
113
He'll do well to take over either Scholes or gigs record to be honest Rooney's a bit far fetched even by his standards
 
Last edited:

The Siege

Full Member
Joined
May 26, 2016
Messages
138
Yes, Ronaldo's going to average 40+ goals in England.
Why not achieve domestic peace in several turbulent countries while he's at it?
 

gorky_utd

Full Member
Joined
Feb 5, 2014
Messages
1,308
Location
India
Had he not moved to Juve he would have broken the record easily. Top scorer in madrid and UTD history. Just mental.
 

Ladron de redcafe

Full Member
Joined
Oct 25, 2020
Messages
1,202
He will stay here for at least 3 years, as he has a 2 + 1 years contract with us.
So yeh, the question being, could he scored 136 goals for us in next 3 years.

I mean, it does still sound impossible (needs to score 45 goals per season), but Ronaldo is the type of player who always goes for every records out there, he already broke almost every records out there, including Pele's all time record, and also all time international record, there's almost nothing else left for him to break. But if he needs another record to go for here, to motivates himself or something, Rooney's one would be nice.

The only records he hasn't yet managed to break:

WC - currently on 7 goals, recorder hold Klose has 16, can he do it next year, scoring 10 goals in a tournament ? Not possible.
Man Utd - currently on 118 goals, record holder Ronney has 253, can he do it in 3 years scoring 136 goals? Not likely, but lets see.
The important records ( most goals in a season and most goals in a calender year ) are out of his reach. He never even came close to Messi's 73 and 91 even at his absolute peak. And he isn't going to do it now.

Most European Golden boots: he trails Messi by two. And he looks unlikely to add any.

Most domestic top scorer awards: trails Messi. And he's not going to close the gap, nevermind catch up.

Highest scoring average : trails his contemporary Messi, nevermind surpassing Muller and co.

He can keep trying, but it's unlikely that get the important records.

With regards to the thread topic (which you seem to have divagated from with random cumulative totals that have no relevance to the topic on hand), he's going to need to score more than 45 a season if he indeed plays 3 seasons here. The last time he managed to reach 45 goals was 6 seasons ago. He hasn't even hit 40 in a season his his Madrid days.

It's unlikely that he'll do it.
 

RedRonaldo

Full Member
Joined
Aug 17, 2003
Messages
13,630
The important records ( most goals in a season and most goals in a calender year ) are out of his reach. He never even came close to Messi's 73 and 91 even at his absolute peak. And he isn't going to do it now.

Most European Golden boots: he trails Messi by two. And he looks unlikely to add any.

Most domestic top scorer awards: trails Messi. And he's not going to close the gap, nevermind catch up.

Highest scoring average : trails his contemporary Messi, nevermind surpassing Muller and co.

He can keep trying, but it's unlikely that get the important records.

With regards to the thread topic (which you seem to have divagated from with random cumulative totals that have no relevance to the topic on hand), he's going to need to score more than 45 a season if he indeed plays 3 seasons here. The last time he managed to reach 45 goals was 6 seasons ago. He hasn't even hit 40 in a season his his Madrid days.

It's unlikely that he'll do it.
True most goals in a season belongs to Messi, its a big record. But those other records you mentioned are not really that important in my opinion, they are one of those records where no one really cares or talk about, and you can't easily find anyone mentioning or discussing those from the internet, nor can you find those from Wiki.

In my opinion, the biggest records are: (in no particular order, mainly due to prestige, popularity or with most media coverage, in relative to records in biggest stage/highest level)

- Most career goals - Ronaldo
- Most international goals - Ronaldo
- Most CL goals - Ronaldo
- Most WC goals - Klose
- Most Euro goals - Ronaldo
- Most goals in a season - Messi

Then we also have other big records related to individual awards/honours/trophies:

- Most Ballon D'or - Messi
- Most Golden Shoe - Messi
- Most WC winner - Pele
- Most CL winner - Ronaldo

Followed by that we also have a big big list of other records, such as most goals in particular league, most goals for particular club, most international goals for particular continent, most international goals for particular country, most assists, most goals in Euro/WC qualifier, most goals for single club, most goals in particularly competitions, most top scorer in particularly domestic competitors, most motm, most consecutive game on scoring goals in domestic league etc the lists are endless. But I don't think they are anywhere as important as the ones listed above, at least not in a traditional sense.

What I mean here is, there's not many big records left he could break, as those within his reach he has already broke them all, with exceptions of few such as most WC goals, most goals in a season, most WC winner, most Ballon D'or etc which I don't think its within his reach now. So the only realistic one left for him is to break more club records for Man Utd. I think even if its unlikely he could break Rooney record in the end, this may still motivates him to score more more goals for us, as he always strives for more records.
 
Last edited:

TrustInJanuzaj

Full Member
Joined
Mar 26, 2015
Messages
7,207
He'll do well to take over either Scholes or gigs record to be honest Rodney's a bit far fetched even by his standards
He really won’t. If he doesn’t score 30 goals in all competitions this season I’ll be amazed. Another 15 -20 the following year and he’s pretty much there. I get people trying to have realistic expectations but there’s some massively pessimistic takes on here.
 

The Brown Bull

Full Member
Joined
Jan 24, 2014
Messages
2,744
Location
Dublin.
He will stay here for at least 3 years, as he has a 2 + 1 years contract with us.
So yeh, the question being, could he scored 136 goals for us in next 3 years.

I mean, it does still sound impossible (needs to score 45 goals per season), but Ronaldo is the type of player who always goes for every records out there, he already broke almost every records out there, including Pele's all time record, and also all time international record, there's almost nothing else left for him to break. But if he needs another record to go for here, to motivates himself or something, Rooney's one would be nice.

The only records he hasn't yet managed to break:

WC - currently on 7 goals, recorder hold Klose has 16, can he do it next year, scoring 10 goals in a tournament ? Not possible.
Man Utd - currently on 118 goals, record holder Ronney has 253, can he do it in 3 years scoring 136 goals? Not likely, but lets see.
Not likely? Just impossible more like. He’s not going to play every game even if he does manage two seasons let alone 3. If he hits 20+ this season he will have done well.
I would quite happily bet my house that he won’t get anywhere near Rooney’s total.
 

Mailo

Full Member
Joined
Feb 3, 2012
Messages
589
Location
Denmark
If anyone could do it - it would be Ronnie. I've never seen such drive and determination in a footballer before.

We're talking up Lewandowski and singing his praises, but put Ronnie in Bayern and he'd do at least the same numbers, even at his age, if not more. More athletic than him, faster, makes the same runs, better header and jumper, better with both feet - maybe slight edge to Lewa in terms of pure finishing.
 

Ladron de redcafe

Full Member
Joined
Oct 25, 2020
Messages
1,202
True most goals in a season belongs to Messi, its a big record. But those other records you mentioned are not really that important in my opinion, they are one of those records where no one really cares or talk about, and you can't easily find anyone mentioning or discussing those from the internet, nor can you find those from Wiki.

In my opinion, the biggest records are: (in no particular order, mainly due to prestige, popularity or with most media coverage, in relative to records in biggest stage/highest level)

- Most career goals - Ronaldo
- Most international goals - Ronaldo
- Most CL goals - Ronaldo
- Most WC goals - Klose
- Most Euro goals - Ronaldo
- Most goals in a season - Messi

Then we also have other big records related to individual awards/honours/trophies:

- Most Ballon D'or - Messi
- Most Golden Shoe - Messi
- Most WC winner - Pele
- Most CL winner - Ronaldo

Followed by that we also have a big big list of other records, such as most goals in particular league, most goals for particular club, most international goals for particular continent, most international goals for particular country, most assists, most goals in Euro/WC qualifier, most goals for single club, most goals in particularly competitions, most top scorer in particularly domestic competitors, most motm, most consecutive game on scoring goals in domestic league etc the lists are endless. But I don't think they are anywhere as important as the ones listed above, at least not in a traditional sense.

What I mean here is, there's not many big records left he could break, as those within his reach he has already broke them all, with exceptions of few such as most WC goals, most goals in a season, most WC winner, most Ballon D'or etc which I don't think its within his reach now. So the only realistic one left for him is to break more club records for Man Utd. I think even if its unlikely he could break Rooney record in the end, this may still motivates him to score more more goals for us, as he always strives for more records.
Not sure why any cumulative totals are relevant. Nobody thinks Ali Dai's record was releant.


The only records that matter in terms of scoring are scoring peak (and if you'd like to argue that peak isn't everything), then scoring ratio over a career. Other than that, it's the number of European Golden boots.

He trails his contemporary in all of these (and ofcourse in the balón d'or count), and while he'll try to chase him, I don't think he'll be able to do so.

In any case, as I said in the previous post, this really should be a discussion about whether Ronaldo can chase Rooney's mark.

He needs 136 goals. I don't think that's achievable for him in 3 years. It's more possible if he plays 4 more seasons.
 

Pexbo

Online influencer who has never watched Star Wars
Joined
Jun 2, 2009
Messages
57,676
Location
Brizzle
Supports
Big Days
@Pexbo can't stand Rooney so I guess he's living in hope rather than realism.
Don’t be silly. I’ve just always been objective in my criticisms towards him which always grated on fanbois like yourself.
 

RedRonaldo

Full Member
Joined
Aug 17, 2003
Messages
13,630
Not likely? Just impossible more like. He’s not going to play every game even if he does manage two seasons let alone 3. If he hits 20+ this season he will have done well.
I would quite happily bet my house that he won’t get anywhere near Rooney’s total.
It really depends on how many years he would play at United. We assume that he will stay for 3 season (on current contract situation). At age 36, over past 12 months, he managed to score around 45 goals for Juventus and Portugal. With better supply at Man United, maybe he could do something similar (consider PL being tougher league but he will have better support cast). True its highly unlikely, but then its also near impossible for 36 year old to score that amount of goals he did last season. We will have to see.
 

Ladron de redcafe

Full Member
Joined
Oct 25, 2020
Messages
1,202
It really depends on how many years he would play at United. We assume that he will stay for 3 season (on current contract situation). At age 36, over past 12 months, he managed to score around 45 goals for Juventus and Portugal. With better supply at Man United, maybe he could do something similar (consider PL being tougher league but he will have better support cast). True its highly unlikely, but then its also near impossible for 36 year old to score that amount of goals he did last season. We will have to see.
Why would his goals for Portugal against the dross they play again matter when it comes to goals scored for United?

He hasn't hit 40 goals in a season for a club since his Madrid days and hasn't managed to hit the 45 figure (that you mentioned) since 2016.
 

RedRonaldo

Full Member
Joined
Aug 17, 2003
Messages
13,630
Not sure why any cumulative totals are relevant. Nobody thinks Ali Dai's record was releant.


The only records that matter in terms of scoring are scoring peak (and if you'd like to argue that peak isn't everything), then scoring ratio over a career. Other than that, it's the number of European Golden boots.

He trails his contemporary in all of these (and ofcourse in the balón d'or count), and while he'll try to chase him, I don't think he'll be able to do so.

In any case, as I said in the previous post, this really should be a discussion about whether Ronaldo can chase Rooney's mark.

He needs 136 goals. I don't think that's achievable for him in 3 years. It's more possible if he plays 4 more seasons.
Its considered relevant because its all time record, certified by Guiness World Records, with lots of people talking about it (with even Wiki page dedicated to it). Although Ali Dai's record is still recognised as same major record, it not regarded as relevant because everyone knows he scored most of those against minor teams in Asia, with lots of 7-0, 8-0 scoreline (biggest one being 19-0). In fact, none of his goals are scored against any decent teams in Europe or South America. He only scored 1 against Ukraine, and 1 against Paraguay in friendly, and the rest are scored against minor teams in Asia etc.

I did already listed golden boots as one of major records in my previous post though, so I have nothing more to add there.

Those records talk is mentioned as motivation value for Ronaldo in related to breaking Rooney's record, we are at Man United forum talking about Ronaldo chance of breaking another record, of course its within topic to discuss.
 
Last edited:

Ladron de redcafe

Full Member
Joined
Oct 25, 2020
Messages
1,202
Its considered relevant because its all time record, certified by Guiness World Records, with lots of people talking about it (with even Wiki page dedicated to it). Although Ali Dai's record is widely recognised as major record, it not regarded as relevant because everyone knows he scored most of those against minor teams in Asia, with lots of 7-0, 8-0 scoreline (biggest one being 19-0).

I did already listed golden boots as one of major records in my previous post though, so I have nothing more to add there.
I don't disagree but not all records have the same pretige. Ronaldo's biggest rival holds more Guiness world records than he does, including a plethora of more important ones. The only reason I brought them up is that you said there aren't many records left to chase.

There are plenty left to chase. The important ones. But they're either out of reach or really difficult to attain. Having said that, it's in his and United's favor if he does manage to accomplish them. I hope he does.
 

RedRonaldo

Full Member
Joined
Aug 17, 2003
Messages
13,630
Why would his goals for Portugal against the dross they play again matter when it comes to goals scored for United?

He hasn't hit 40 goals in a season for a club since his Madrid days and hasn't managed to hit the 45 figure (that you mentioned) since 2016.
Well its just for reference, he is still capable of scoring 45 goals in 54 games in past 12 months or so. Doesn't mean he will do it for us this season, but lets say if he had played 54 games for us this season (which is unlikely due to his age), its still possible for him to score around 45 goals.
 

Ladron de redcafe

Full Member
Joined
Oct 25, 2020
Messages
1,202
Well its just for reference, he is still capable of scoring 45 goals in 54 games in past 12 months or so. Doesn't mean he will do it for us this season, but lets say if he had played 54 games for us this season (which is unlikely due to his age), its still possible for him to score around 45 goals.
But that wouldn't help him reach Rooney's mark because we aren't talking about club + international goals.

The competition that Portugal play against in the qualifiers isn't going to consist of the same teams that we are going to face domestically and in the Champions League this season.

We have to go off his club goal scoring record. And it's been 6 seasons since he has reached the mark that he'll need to hit for 3 consecutive seasons to match Rooney's mark (assuming he only plays 3 seasons).

If he decides to play an extra season, though, then that changes everything and I'll see it's much more achievable.