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He’s a good experienced manager who for me has always been one step above the usual candidates (Hughes, Allardyce etc).
no proof is needed that coaching matters, obviouslyNope, the proof is in Roy's overall managerial record. He wipes the floor with Ole. Ole has shown nothing to suggest otherwise. If he does, I'll change my stance. I still wouldn't want Roy managing United by any stretch, but that is also a reflection of how low down the managerial totem pole I view our current manager.
And they sold the best defensive right-back for 50M in that time.This is just fantastic by Hodgson.
Personnel doesnt matter so much when you have a system and a good structure. Its the same at leicester with maguire.And they sold the best defensive right-back for 50M in that time.
So much better than Ole.
So much better than Ole.
And Poch too.So much better than Ole.
That is extraordinary
This is Roy's type of job.
Give him a job with no serious expectations (beyond avoiding the drop) and he will overachieve, sometimes spectacularly like we're seeing now. Give him a job where the expectations are high within the fanbase and the media he will bomb, because he can't adapt his mindset, you saw that with the comments he made while managing Liverpool, he was genuinely acting like he was still at Fulham.
Didnt Moyes finish lower at United than he did every season at Everton bar about two or three?True. This applies to Moyes also, everything about that man radiated 'Everton manager' when he was at OT. And those same signs are there with Ole. He radiates 'Molde manager'.
Wouldn't be surprised, which feeds into the following...….Didnt Moyes finish lower at United than he did every season at Everton bar about two or three?
Thinking of that got me thinking, would Roy even be as high or higher as Palace currently are taking on one of the big six with the expectations so huge? Probably would with City and Liverpool due to the sheer individual quality (wouldn't be near the other for the title though) but with us two and the North London duo I think he would be spectacularly out of his depth.
Playing style suited to an underdog of a team.
So we have to wait until United becomes a small and underdog mentality club for OGS and his "tactics" to be effective again?? Suddenly some of his statements make sense...Wouldn't be surprised, which feeds into the following...….
…...quote.
Some managers just don't have it in them to raise their game and manage a big club. Regarding Ole, you could even go so far back as to his playing career...…….now, this is probably gonna ruffle some feathers but.....
Ole was never the main man. He was best known and best loved as a supersub - the guy you bring on under the radar to kill teams when they least expected it. In other words, a kind of underdog!
He thrived in that role to an immense level. When he first arrived as caretaker, with absolutely no pressure on him at all, he thrived. As soon as he was made permanent and was then expected to be The Man...….what happened? A decline in his performance and the team's.
He isn't capable of being The Man at a big club. Some managers aren't, simple as that.
Definitely. You could simply look at his work at Inter, Blackburn, and Switzerland. The man has had a great career.I was reading some old threads and comments...God, the disrespect towards Hodgson. The man has serious standing in the game. Too many were blinded by his failure at Liverpool and the worst England squad in 30 years.
Well he's got a fair few years on him at the highest level. Unnecessary comment.Better manager than Ole. Simple as that. And NOBODY would want Roy at United.
Fair.Well he's got a fair few years on him at the highest level. Unnecessary comment.
Yeah he was great with LiverpoolMiracle worker. Arsenal should be all over him in the summer.
What about Nuno from Wolves?I think there is a whole host of very good managers who are just suited tomanage clubs outside if the top 6 (The likes of Bruce, Allardyce, Pulis etc). Hodgson is one of the best of those, a lot of respect for him.
I've already said it on this thread (this page even) but he's in his element when there's no expectations outside of avoiding the drop, without the pressure of having to do this and that he seems to always overachieve, often spectacularly.He does well at mid range clubs. Forgotten he finished 5th with Blackburn in his only full season there although things went very wrong at the start of the next season.
Then did brilliantly at Fulham and also to lesser extent at West Brom.
Considering he took over at Palace when they'd lost 7 in a row or whatever at the start of 17/18 it's another tick. Football might not be that exciting but it's certainly effective against other bottom half teams home and away.
He's in his early 70s now so will probably retire in next year or two. Love his hair aswell.
Edit: It's interesting looking back at his time with England. Tournament results were poor but he came in between two generations. The Gerrard, Ferdinand, Terry, Lampard era was coming to a close with them all in their early 30s and the one that was suppose to replace them spent so much time out injured: Phil Jones, Wilshere, Welbeck, Carroll (both scored at euro 2012), Daniel Sturridge etc.
Rooney was also declining from 2012 onwards. He only got likes of Dele Ali, Kane and Sterling in last year or two of his reign and someone like Sterling still had plenty of flaws in his game.
I often think he was caught between two stools as England manager. I'm sure he wanted to play the cautious sitting back game that works for him at likes of Palace (and often works out well for majority of teams at international level) but the press were demanding some cavalier attacking team selections so you saw England starting games v likes of Italy in 2014 world cup with 4 strikers which left things too light in central midfield. The Uruguay game was also unlucky as Godin should've been sent off after 20 minutes.
Less said about Euro 2016 the better, he really did mess that tournament up from start to finish.
And for the national team?I've already said it on this thread (this page even) but he's in his element when there's no expectations outside of avoiding the drop, without the pressure of having to do this and that he seems to always overachieve, often spectacularly.
However when he takes jobs on where the expectations are massive he can't adapt and gives the impression he can't understand why his results at Fulham are well below even minimum requirement at a club like Liverpool.
He'd have them in a relegation battle and expect them to be happy about it. Palace is his level. He works wonders at clubs like them, West Brom, Fulham etc where the expectations are lower.Miracle worker. Arsenal should be all over him in the summer.
Yeah pretty muchAnd for the national team?
The problem with them sacking him is can they find a young progressive manager that is willing to join them can do the job with their resources? Roy is the safe option for them at least until such a manager becomes available, and even then it's a gamble.If I was a Palace player couldn't see myself being inspired by an ageing Roy Hodson. Think is time is up tbh. The club's going in the wrong direction. Lost there last 4 games and have a difficult run in. Zaha looks like he'll be stinking the place out if nobody comes in for him. Sack looming!
I think you are being harsh on the Hodge! He has done very well with a makeshift team and hasn’t even been allowed to reinvest the AWB money. All season with defensive injuries, plus Benteke or Ayew up front.If I was a Palace player couldn't see myself being inspired by an ageing Roy Hodson. Think is time is up tbh. The club's going in the wrong direction. Lost there last 4 games and have a difficult run in. Zaha looks like he'll be stinking the place out if nobody comes in for him. Sack looming!
They maybe safe now but with Hodson at the helm and going on present form it wouldn't get me excited for the new season. He must be replaced imho!They are safe. Nothing to play for . Isn't it how they performed last year as well ?
Which better manager would be ready to take over ? They don't spend any money and seems to be happy with midtable.
Brighton are 6 points behind Palace, and still had survival to play for on the restart.I said the same yesterday, the squad is also quite old and needs rebuilding. Roy isn't the guy to take them forward. I think their next manager should be a progressive manager that can play some attractive football. Their rivals Brighton have shown it can be done. Cc @Shipperley