Let's be honest city aren't a team of hardmen and they destroyed the league. So honestly I don't believe in his point and i think it sounds similar to when people start victim blaming
Roy Keane blasts Manchester United "cry babies"
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We won't agree on the bigger picture i feel. In the finer details youre correct to acknowledge what these players have achieved but keane would rightly say that once youre at the top you find a new top. There are players i have seen with my own eyes, as an amateur armchair fan, blatantly play to a fraction of their ability and effort levels this season. Guys being paid millions getting bullied physically and mentally by 'lesser players'. The things that piss keane off like the hair the handshakes the celebrations the instagram the media whoring the clothes lines, wouldn't annoy many people if they were delivering performance wise. Seeing as the only defence is 'oh well it was mourinhos fault' to me is a cop out for what ive seen myself. Apathy rarely seen in almost 3 decades of watching
Nothing to do with hard men. He didn't say so either
Dont want to go near where youre going with 'victim blaming'
The idea that someone playing in front of 70,000 people, taking abuse from left,right and centre and still has the wherewithal to perform at a reasonable level is "weak" is borderline stupid.
Most normal people couldn't face a crowd of 10 people.
Many of these guys have been dealing with pressure we couldn't cope with since they were teenagers. Yeah, they might live in a bubble, but weak is bullshit.
Keane is a man that has been run out of every coaching role for falling out with his players, I am not surprised he thinks this way. Other managers face the same generation of players and get on just fine.
It's also easy to label Keane as a "bad influence". This is a man that was sacked twice as a player because his managers thought they couldn't handle him. Give me a break Roy.
I love him but think he doth protest too much. Managers have to learn to deal with personalities. It's one of the basic requirements of management.
Most normal people couldn't face a crowd of 10 people.
Many of these guys have been dealing with pressure we couldn't cope with since they were teenagers. Yeah, they might live in a bubble, but weak is bullshit.
Keane is a man that has been run out of every coaching role for falling out with his players, I am not surprised he thinks this way. Other managers face the same generation of players and get on just fine.
It's also easy to label Keane as a "bad influence". This is a man that was sacked twice as a player because his managers thought they couldn't handle him. Give me a break Roy.
I love him but think he doth protest too much. Managers have to learn to deal with personalities. It's one of the basic requirements of management.
I'm not sure what actual evidence Keane is citing, but it's hard to compare when City's manager isn't a bitter, washed up malcontent but ours was.
He may well be a poor pundit or lazy commentator but he knows more than anyone on this site when it comes to leading a team to success on the field and what it takes to play at the elite level.
There is no hypocrisy in what he is saying, he knows what it takes to be the best and anyone with eyes can see that as a team and individuals we have players that are not giving their all!
Please tell me this is a true story
It's true. I have that page of his biography bookmarked. He said something like 'as they emerged from the tents, I knew these were not the faces of winners'. That's not an exact quote but it's not far off.
Winners take a 3am flashbang in their stride
I basically agree with you.
The point I was trying to make is that Roy is often his own worst enemy, with his use of one liners that may be repeated in various ways, but amount to the same thing.
The qualities he espoused on the pitch are great for someone like Roy himself, but not all players are like that, there are only so many times when you can urge players, to as it were, 'storm the barricades'. Yes, some match's turn into pitched battles and courage and spirit are needed to fight back and our players have shown they can do this, coming back from 0-2 down, etc. even it would seem for a manager many of them apparently didn't like very much. Roy's mantra is wearing thin, the points he can make and which could help the players need to be made without all the rhetoric!
That's what Keane is alluding to. Basically players should be playing at 100% no matter the situation like people were in his day apparently. But it's silly because in his day players were doing far worse morally bankrupt things.
It's something that many in the older generation say about millennials. In that we are more expressive, open and actually complain when things aren't right. Which means we are flowers.
This is mental really. I already saw him as a bit of a caricature and this just confirms it.
Christ I'd knock him out if he did that to me.
One miserable dinosaur sticking up for another, about as predictable and ignorant as expected.
Exactly, this outdated, knuckle dragging hard man stuff is tiresome.
One big ego, backing another big ego! These guys just have not moved on with the times.
He keeps banging on about it wouldn't have been acceptable in the dressing room when he was playing. They had one of the best managers ever. A manager who was positive and gave players confidence. Not a guy who didn't believe in them. Also, Keane wasn't exactly a model pro over the years at United. So he has no right to talk.
He keeps banging on about it wouldn't have been acceptable in the dressing room when he was playing. They had one of the best managers ever. A manager who was positive and gave players confidence. Not a guy who didn't believe in them. Also, Keane wasn't exactly a model pro over the years at United. So he has no right to talk.
I wonder which of this current squad of cry babies told Mourinho to "shove it up your bollocks"? My money is on Juan.
*notthisshitagain.jpg*
- Says the players threw the manager under the bus. The same manager who, you guessed it, threw the players under the bus in nearly every interview. Can’t imagine where these young, impressionable lads learned it.
- Calls players cry babies, lamenting an entire generation. Poor Mourinho. Guardiola, Pochettino, and Klopp must’ve done a back to the future job, and kidnapped whole squads of players from “the good old days”.
- All this coming from a man who regularly threw his toys out the pram, including walking out on Ireland at the World Cup. Throwing his manager under the bus in the process. But, but....you’d never do that Roy!?
- As everyone says, just another dinosaur who can’t adapt. Fergie highlighted so many times how he’d had to change his approach with successive generations.
- In a twist to his Ipswich/flashbang experiment; I’d like to throw a dabbing millennial in a tent with Roy at 3am, just to see him come out with a face of thunder. “That’s not the face of a winner.”
Incredible player, shambolic, cretinous person.
- Calls players cry babies, lamenting an entire generation. Poor Mourinho. Guardiola, Pochettino, and Klopp must’ve done a back to the future job, and kidnapped whole squads of players from “the good old days”.
- All this coming from a man who regularly threw his toys out the pram, including walking out on Ireland at the World Cup. Throwing his manager under the bus in the process. But, but....you’d never do that Roy!?
- As everyone says, just another dinosaur who can’t adapt. Fergie highlighted so many times how he’d had to change his approach with successive generations.
- In a twist to his Ipswich/flashbang experiment; I’d like to throw a dabbing millennial in a tent with Roy at 3am, just to see him come out with a face of thunder. “That’s not the face of a winner.”
Incredible player, shambolic, cretinous person.
A poster on an internet forum saying that one of our greatest leaders and warriors on the pitch has no right to talk about the lack of leaders and warriors on the pitch. Get a grip son.
Another poster on top of the page crying over these poor souls because they have to play in front of people. Seems to be a few people that fail to understand what it takes to reach the top of their profession and stay there, which is where the real hard work begins.
There's absolutely nothing soft about that City team and Pep is not nicey nicey either.
We don't have half the guts that city team do, you don't get that good without being very strong mentally.
His family and the thousands of people who know him personally would disagree with you.
My thoughts exactly.
Keane is a living embodiment to what he says. That's why he worked so well with Ireland's manager and never tried to undermine SAF's or his no 2 authority ever
On a serious note, Mou had done far worse to his players then trying to shake their hand before the game ended.
On a serious note, Mou had done far worse to his players then trying to shake their hand before the game ended.
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Jose's gone get over it already, not everything is about our exmanager
Keane is not a cry baby. There again, don't try to shake his hand before the game has ended else you risk getting punched.
http://dailypost.ng/2014/10/10/mourinho-disgrace-felt-like-punching-roy-keane/
"Thrill me with your acumen, Clarice..."
But he is talking about players that have already reached the top of their profession.
Throwing flashbangs at players at 3 in the morning. 
It’s literally a thread about Keane slagging off players for Mourinho’s sacking.
Haha are you serious? Who in that city team would you say had guts before pep?
Sane ? The guy who can't even get on the Germany national team pitch without looking like scared kid.
Sterling? The guy who used to shit his bed whenever faced by a goalkeeper
Stones? The guy that was called mentally weak by his previous manager
Laporte? A kid just coming in from France after a poor season
I could list the whole team but it's obvious. Their mentality comes from the manager not their own personal pride or love for city.
I cannot find the quote online, I'll take a picture tomorrow.
He also made them wear army boots and run up hills. They got blisters from the boots and couldn't kick a ball.
He also made them wear army boots and run up hills. They got blisters from the boots and couldn't kick a ball.
We should have done background scouting in terms of mentality before signing Pogba, Sanchez etc.. if that was the issue.
Mourinho signed them and then failed to manage their egos or whatever.
Mourinho signed them and then failed to manage their egos or whatever.
But but but, i thought that it is all on Mourinho. That he does not allow players to play their game and above all, he wants from them to play defence. Bastard wanted from Pogba to play defence.
The funny thing is there is no way in hell Keane would have survived under mourinho he would have ended up fighting him.
He just doesn’t relate to the modern player.
Generational thing. There’s a reason he can’t stay long term at a club job.
Generational thing. There’s a reason he can’t stay long term at a club job.
Exactly. The clue is in the name, manager.
Our players get away with murder because we don't have a proper football structure at the club. Board / directors rely everything on the manager, so when they sack someone they expect the following one to analyze the squad and make all decisions by himself.
This model made sense 20 years ago when managers used to last more. Nowadays it doesn't make sense to give a coach the status of manager, because the vast majority of them last 2-3 seasons at most. So every time there's a change everything starts from zero. Also, if both managers (the sacked one and the new one) are different or even the opposite then there's a transition period to rebuild and 're-shape' which makes it all even more difficult and slow.
This is an obsolete model and needs to be changed, and it says it all about our directors that we need 7 freaking years to start moving our ass in that sense, when this should have been made just after SAF left. It's so naive to think that such a master figure like Ferguson could be replaced with just another manager, and some guy above happily throwing money everywhere.
A football director, a technical football department or however you want to call this would give us that 'constant' factor in behind while coaches come and go. Players would keep being analyzed even if a coach is replaced, so they would be always in danger, never free from judgement.
With all that said, I wouldn't like this to be used as a excuse to apologize Mourinho and his failure here. If anything this man is not a victim of this useless board but a consequence of it. He got enough power, time and money to build something, and after a pair of seasons we were worse than what we saw in the first games.
Most of his signings have been underwhelming. Zero development in terms of football / tactics along that time, not even a minimal attempt. Toxicity all around because of his sour and miserable attitude. As a consequence instead of getting better every time (even if it was slowly) everything was getting rotten, with the poor victim Jose adding more fuel to the fire at every chance. So obviously the spotlight has to be on him now after that mess. Anyone expecting something different is living in Mars.
If you lead an orchestra to play Beethoven and it sounds like 'happy birthday to you' that's on the director, not on the musicians. Especially when many of them have been signed (or protected) by the one leading the band. So we need improvements at the club and hopefully we are working on it now, but Mourinho is rightly criticized and pointed out after his sacking. It's totally deserved and the right thing to do.
This model made sense 20 years ago when managers used to last more. Nowadays it doesn't make sense to give a coach the status of manager, because the vast majority of them last 2-3 seasons at most. So every time there's a change everything starts from zero. Also, if both managers (the sacked one and the new one) are different or even the opposite then there's a transition period to rebuild and 're-shape' which makes it all even more difficult and slow.
This is an obsolete model and needs to be changed, and it says it all about our directors that we need 7 freaking years to start moving our ass in that sense, when this should have been made just after SAF left. It's so naive to think that such a master figure like Ferguson could be replaced with just another manager, and some guy above happily throwing money everywhere.
A football director, a technical football department or however you want to call this would give us that 'constant' factor in behind while coaches come and go. Players would keep being analyzed even if a coach is replaced, so they would be always in danger, never free from judgement.
With all that said, I wouldn't like this to be used as a excuse to apologize Mourinho and his failure here. If anything this man is not a victim of this useless board but a consequence of it. He got enough power, time and money to build something, and after a pair of seasons we were worse than what we saw in the first games.
Most of his signings have been underwhelming. Zero development in terms of football / tactics along that time, not even a minimal attempt. Toxicity all around because of his sour and miserable attitude. As a consequence instead of getting better every time (even if it was slowly) everything was getting rotten, with the poor victim Jose adding more fuel to the fire at every chance. So obviously the spotlight has to be on him now after that mess. Anyone expecting something different is living in Mars.
If you lead an orchestra to play Beethoven and it sounds like 'happy birthday to you' that's on the director, not on the musicians. Especially when many of them have been signed (or protected) by the one leading the band. So we need improvements at the club and hopefully we are working on it now, but Mourinho is rightly criticized and pointed out after his sacking. It's totally deserved and the right thing to do.
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It's not a defence of Jose though like you're suggesting. Keane has been banging this drum across managers and has moaned about Jose often enough. He has the same kind of moans about other teams.
Irrespective of Jose i think people can recognise elements of what he's saying. We've had plenty of very similar discussions on here tbh.