mancan92
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Let's be honest city aren't a team of hardmen and they destroyed the league. So honestly I don't believe in his point and i think it sounds similar to when people start victim blaming
We won't agree on the bigger picture i feel. In the finer details youre correct to acknowledge what these players have achieved but keane would rightly say that once youre at the top you find a new top. There are players i have seen with my own eyes, as an amateur armchair fan, blatantly play to a fraction of their ability and effort levels this season. Guys being paid millions getting bullied physically and mentally by 'lesser players'. The things that piss keane off like the hair the handshakes the celebrations the instagram the media whoring the clothes lines, wouldn't annoy many people if they were delivering performance wise. Seeing as the only defence is 'oh well it was mourinhos fault' to me is a cop out for what ive seen myself. Apathy rarely seen in almost 3 decades of watchingHe's calling people who have dedicated themselves since they were young kids to become amazingly good at something "weak human beings" on the basis that they weren't performing under a manager who has had the exact same issues at his last two clubs despite not knowing them personally. It's not just based on Keane's history, he was sacked from his job a few weeks ago where his main contribution seemed to be not doing any coaching and just calling his players "pricks", "wankers" and "cnuts". I would say the only reason we're as high as sixth and through in the Champions League is the players having the spirit to fight from behind in numerous games.
Nothing to do with hard men. He didn't say so eitherLet's be honest city aren't a team of hardmen and they destroyed the league. So honestly I don't believe in his point and i think it sounds similar to when people start victim blaming
I'm not sure what actual evidence Keane is citing, but it's hard to compare when City's manager isn't a bitter, washed up malcontent but ours was.Nothing to do with hard men. He didn't say so either
Dont want to go near where youre going with 'victim blaming'
He may well be a poor pundit or lazy commentator but he knows more than anyone on this site when it comes to leading a team to success on the field and what it takes to play at the elite level.It's quite hypocritical given he used to be one for a night out himself and also for him to accuse players of laziness when his punditry for years has amounted to him phoning in the most cliched, hackneyed opinions going. Given his work with Ireland it's no surprise to see him defending Mourinho as the criticism of him and O'Neill was for very similar reasons.
Please tell me this is a true storyKeane took Ipswich out camping with the army and threw flashbangs in their tents at 3am. He didn't see out the season.
He is a legend and amusing character, but let's not put too much stock in his opinion on modern football.
He had no problem walking out on Ireland or taking the time out to slag his team off at United. He's a cry baby himself, just more in the fashion of Begbie than Dawson's Creek.
Keane took Ipswich out camping with the army and threw flashbangs in their tents at 3am. He didn't see out the season.
He is a legend and amusing character, but let's not put too much stock in his opinion on modern football.
He had no problem walking out on Ireland or taking the time out to slag his team off at United. He's a cry baby himself, just more in the fashion of Begbie than Dawson's Creek.
It's true. I have that page of his biography bookmarked. He said something like 'as they emerged from the tents, I knew these were not the faces of winners'. That's not an exact quote but it's not far off.Please tell me this is a true story
I basically agree with you.I think people let their opinions of Keane the man cloud their judgement of his views. I'm not directing this at you but at this site in general. He's criticising the modern player, and yet some are quick to say "game has changed, he's too old school" yet in the next breath say we need a central defender with leadership qualities. That's the very qualities he's espousing for, players who'll lead, make a difference and not shy away behind social media or petty management squabbles etc
That's what Keane is alluding to. Basically players should be playing at 100% no matter the situation like people were in his day apparently. But it's silly because in his day players were doing far worse morally bankrupt things.Nothing to do with hard men. He didn't say so either
Dont want to go near where youre going with 'victim blaming'
This is mental really. I already saw him as a bit of a caricature and this just confirms it.It's true. I have that page of his biography bookmarked. He said something like 'as they emerged from the tents, I knew these were not the faces of winners'. That's not an exact quote but it's not far off.
Winners take a 3am flashbang in their stride
Christ I'd knock him out if he did that to me.It's true. I have that page of his biography bookmarked. He said something like 'as they emerged from the tents, I knew these were not the faces of winners'. That's not an exact quote but it's not far off.
Winners take a 3am flashbang in their stride
Exactly, this outdated, knuckle dragging hard man stuff is tiresome.Let's be honest city aren't a team of hardmen and they destroyed the league. So honestly I don't believe in his point and i think it sounds similar to when people start victim blaming
A poster on an internet forum saying that one of our greatest leaders and warriors on the pitch has no right to talk about the lack of leaders and warriors on the pitch. Get a grip son.One big ego, backing another big ego! These guys just have not moved on with the times.
He keeps banging on about it wouldn't have been acceptable in the dressing room when he was playing. They had one of the best managers ever. A manager who was positive and gave players confidence. Not a guy who didn't believe in them. Also, Keane wasn't exactly a model pro over the years at United. So he has no right to talk.
There's absolutely nothing soft about that City team and Pep is not nicey nicey either.Let's be honest city aren't a team of hardmen and they destroyed the league. So honestly I don't believe in his point and i think it sounds similar to when people start victim blaming
His family and the thousands of people who know him personally would disagree with you.- Says the players threw the manager under the bus. The same manager who, you guessed it, threw the players under the bus in nearly every interview. Can’t imagine where these young, impressionable lads learned it.
- Calls players cry babies, lamenting an entire generation. Poor Mourinho. Guardiola, Pochettino, and Klopp must’ve done a back to the future job, and kidnapped whole squads of players from “the good old days”.
- All this coming from a man who regularly threw his toys out the pram, including walking out on Ireland at the World Cup. Throwing his manager under the bus in the process. But, but....you’d never do that Roy!?
- As everyone says, just another dinosaur who can’t adapt. Fergie highlighted so many times how he’d had to change his approach with successive generations.
- In a twist to his Ipswich/flashbang experiment; I’d like to throw a dabbing millennial in a tent with Roy at 3am, just to see him come out with a face of thunder. “That’s not the face of a winner.”
Incredible player, shambolic, cretinous person.
My thoughts exactly.Keane's comments on 'modern' players largely informs why he is not really cut out for football management. Sir Alex's greatest strength was his ability to tailor his approach to different generations, a concept that seems largely lost upon the likes of Keane.
Jose's gone get over it already, not everything is about our exmanager- Says the players threw the manager under the bus. The same manager who, you guessed it, threw the players under the bus in nearly every interview. Can’t imagine where these young, impressionable lads learned it.
- Calls players cry babies, lamenting an entire generation. Poor Mourinho. Guardiola, Pochettino, and Klopp must’ve done a back to the future job, and kidnapped whole squads of players from “the good old days”.
- All this coming from a man who regularly threw his toys out the pram, including walking out on Ireland at the World Cup. Throwing his manager under the bus in the process. But, but....you’d never do that Roy!?
- As everyone says, just another dinosaur who can’t adapt. Fergie highlighted so many times how he’d had to change his approach with successive generations.
- In a twist to his Ipswich/flashbang experiment; I’d like to throw a dabbing millennial in a tent with Roy at 3am, just to see him come out with a face of thunder. “That’s not the face of a winner.”
Incredible player, shambolic, cretinous person.
Keane is not a cry baby. There again, don't try to shake his hand before the game has ended else you risk getting punched.- Says the players threw the manager under the bus. The same manager who, you guessed it, threw the players under the bus in nearly every interview. Can’t imagine where these young, impressionable lads learned it.
- Calls players cry babies, lamenting an entire generation. Poor Mourinho. Guardiola, Pochettino, and Klopp must’ve done a back to the future job, and kidnapped whole squads of players from “the good old days”.
- All this coming from a man who regularly threw his toys out the pram, including walking out on Ireland at the World Cup. Throwing his manager under the bus in the process. But, but....you’d never do that Roy!?
- As everyone says, just another dinosaur who can’t adapt. Fergie highlighted so many times how he’d had to change his approach with successive generations.
- In a twist to his Ipswich/flashbang experiment; I’d like to throw a dabbing millennial in a tent with Roy at 3am, just to see him come out with a face of thunder. “That’s not the face of a winner.”
Incredible player, shambolic, cretinous person.
But he is talking about players that have already reached the top of their profession.A poster on an internet forum saying that one of our greatest leaders and warriors on the pitch has no right to talk about the lack of leaders and warriors on the pitch. Get a grip son.
Another poster on top of the page crying over these poor souls because they have to play in front of people. Seems to be a few people that fail to understand what it takes to reach the top of their profession and stay there, which is where the real hard work begins.
It’s literally a thread about Keane slagging off players for Mourinho’s sacking.Jose's gone get over it already, not everything is about our exmanager
Haha are you serious? Who in that city team would you say had guts before pep?There's absolutely nothing soft about that City team and Pep is not nicey nicey either.
We don't have half the guts that city team do, you don't get that good without being very strong mentally.
Exactly. The clue is in the name, manager.We should have done background scouting in terms of mentality before signing Pogba, Sanchez etc.. if that was the issue.
Mourinho signed them and then failed to manage their egos or whatever.
It's not a defence of Jose though like you're suggesting. Keane has been banging this drum across managers and has moaned about Jose often enough. He has the same kind of moans about other teams.It’s literally a thread about Keane slagging off players for Mourinho’s sacking.