Important to have a bit of scale when overlaying graphics on maps. Ukraine is a massive place.
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Russian invasion of Ukraine | Fewer tweets, more discussion
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Yeah, if anything it's amazing that they managed to go that far that quickly. Particularly when they went with the craziest approach which is to target the entire map at once.
Horrific
To be fair, we are all speculating about motives which none of us will ever have a complete grasp on because not one of us has access to the information that drives these things, on either side. The thread, prior to where we are now, is just that: speculation and opinion. I'd avoid I told you so or gotcha comments because it makes you look worse than the people you're highlighting (leveraging a fullscale invasion of a country as some kind of internet-based social capital).
What the feck kind of military target was that? Disgusting.
This will be a messy campaign for them. The US with the most sophisticated military on the planet had struggled to occupy Iraq, a country with two thirds the land mass of Ukraine. And unlike the US, they'd have very little in the form of allies or international support aiding them beyond a glorified nation-base in Belarus, and....the Syrian regime?
wow.
what on earth could they be firing at so close to residential homes?! that is bonkersNot going to politicise it but I do think UK/countries should have made clear to Russia.. "you do x, we do y same day" and not strolled sanctions (guess may have done that behind the scenes).
No. I’m still here. Sanctioning him before he’s done something to deter him from doing something still makes no sodding sense.
Could be an anti-air or anti-tank position or vehicle. Not saying justifiable, just raising one potential answer.
I don't think occupation is their aim, they're probably looking to hit a quick strike and forced some kind of cease fire with concession or something
This is getting crazier by the minute. Now Erdogan is talking about not invading any territories of other countries.
This takes the biscuit.
This takes the biscuit.
To be fair, the US did not border Iraq. Ukraine also is not as flat as Iraq. I also hazard a guess that Iraqi people had more weapons in their hand than the Ukrainians.
Feck this.
I must withdraw for the sake of my own sanity. I can't watch this shit. Time to drink.
I must withdraw for the sake of my own sanity. I can't watch this shit. Time to drink.
This.
The notion of Putin’s era NOT triggering a massive war at some point has never been buyable.
He’s a terrifying personality to be in that position.
I think a lot of the global destabilising events of the last 10 years have had Russian involvement and I also think this invasion will trigger what will come to be known as WW3, it’s been coming for some time, and these types of personalities aren’t capable of leading without following this narrative - they aren’t sophisticated enough.
That Rob Lee guy says that Russia were using non-presicion missiles in built up areas from the offwow.
Yeah they seem to be well settled in Kharkiv too and that's a huge city. One of my team colleagues (from work) father lives there and they can't reach him for the last few hours...
I can't trust Twitter because it's just a bunch of random videos that could be from anywhere or any time (one person posted a video of Russian and Ukranian soldiers dancing ffs).
If CNN are on the ground, in Kyiv, there has to be a better source than some random twitter accounts for what is actually happening.
If CNN are on the ground, in Kyiv, there has to be a better source than some random twitter accounts for what is actually happening.
Depends how quickly they take control of Kiev and replace democratic elected leaders with Russian puppets. It would be a big surprise if Putin fails.
One of the most surreal things about all this is that for all the “better prepared” talk, they’ve not mined harbours or blown up bridges/runways/train lines. Almost like they don’t want to anger Putin.
I was wrong anyway, but not on that point. And it’s not being a dick, it’s decorum and recognising there are more important things than running around calling people wrong. I’d have fired somebody for his comment.
All seems so fragmented and inaccurate right now. I guess they’re coming for Kiev and hoping the government just folds.
Saw the videos of the destroyed btr4 around Kharkiv, but it’s just 1.
Yeah that's fair, it could be.
If I’m not going to appear here for a few days than I’m probably detained, although we’ll see how strict the police is going to be today.
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I propose;
- US and EU end all sanctions against Iran and start buying Iranian oil and gas.
- Also help Turkish forces currently in Libya secure Libya so that Libyan oil and gas can be sold and be used to rebuild Libya.
- Use it to replace Russian oil and gas.
Then;
- seize all Russian assets in the EU.
- Sanction all the oligarchs and their assets.
- Sanction all Russian banks and disconnect them from Western financial institutes
Russia will think twice about rebuilding it's empire then.
- US and EU end all sanctions against Iran and start buying Iranian oil and gas.
- Also help Turkish forces currently in Libya secure Libya so that Libyan oil and gas can be sold and be used to rebuild Libya.
- Use it to replace Russian oil and gas.
Then;
- seize all Russian assets in the EU.
- Sanction all the oligarchs and their assets.
- Sanction all Russian banks and disconnect them from Western financial institutes
Russia will think twice about rebuilding it's empire then.
That remains to be seen, no one really knows what Putin's end game is here.
The US had huge bases in bordering Kuwait and Saudi Arabia from which they launched their offensive. The Iraqis were also not as motivated in repelling the invasion given the country's general contempt towards their dictator to the extent of almost welcoming the invasion at first. The Ukrainians obviously see it differently.
Shit, stay safe @harms
Detained? Shit, really?
Wait what? Are you serious?
Stay safe, matey!
And maybe he’d have fired you for your comment in this fictional world of bosses and workers.
In other words 'this is world war 3. Please end it before it gets very bad'.
Hopefully you will be okay but don't post things that could be used against you, it's not worth it. At least not on the caf.
Stay safe man
Russian state media is still pursuing a narrative of troops in Donbas, but ignoring the wider invasion.
They are happy to let CNN film these event near Kiev as their audience is the West and Ukraine and they want to demoralise us.
They want to instill their own government which will make Ukraine a satellite country, at least this is what probably is his main goal. Thus alienating them from any ideas about EU and NATO.
With all the air forces Russia have they can paralize Ukraine in couple of days..
Obviously. My point was that scores of people have been making opinion-based predictions throughout the entire thread, me too, because it's the natural response to a possible event. I don't see the value in "gotcha" posts (even though some of those you quote I disagree with most) but don't want to derail.
In this day and age I'm not sure how effective or sustainable that would be. I can't see the Ukrainian people accepting such a reality, especially if what awaits them (besides Russian coated oppression) would inevitably include economic ostracisation from the rest of the world.
So we use the muslim resources so that the Christians can't be of any use
Now that's a fact... Maybe even delete some stuff, if it's that bad, but I didn't think had gotten to that point.Hopefully you will be okay but don't post things that could be used against you, it's not worth it. At least not on the caf.