by this point their objectives would have been to be control of at least 5 major cities and have the capital wrapped up.
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
Just ignore the "Russia is humiliated" narrative. We as outsiders do not know the facts yet and Russians have been bypassing areas to advance quickly. And with that being said, Ukraine is not exactly a pushover either so casualties are to be expected.
The capital is very near their border though. So far, Kyiv has been a total disaster for them, and while I expect Ukraine’s numbers to be exaggerated, it is quite possible that the Russian casualties has reach a thousand.
I think that Russia will win, but as expected by the West, there will be a high price.
From Putin’s speech, it seemed that he expected this to end immediately. Which does not seem to be the case.
Missiles was the first thing they sent in, they have been launching ballistic and cruise missiles at Ukrainian targets since the first night. The thing we should really fear is if they start shelling the cities with thermobaric munition that will cause massive suffering to civilians in those cities
There current tactics are throw men and hardware at a wall until the numbers eventually overwhelm. The current problem is that it leaves massive columns vulnerable and just look at the quality of soldiers captured, kids.
How do you know that? I feel like some are far too optimistic at this stage and start to fall to our side of propaganda. He didn't throw a lot at the Ukraine, yet, to my understanding.
Doesn't look good for the Russian military logistics to be having multiple tanks and equipment breaking down and running out of fuel this early on.
It looks like all the intelligence about the poor state of the military is true.
They haven't achieved their first day objectives yet. Humiliated is over the top though.
The first.
Again: how do you know his time schedule and true objectives?
I don't take any joy in hearing about Russian casualties because their soldiers are just there because they've been told to be there and as that video shows are probably as confused as everyone else. They have no reason to harbour any hostility to Ukrainian people although that will obviously change once they start getting shot at.That civilian offering a ride back to Russia.I really wonder what goes through the minds of these Russian troops.
It's a bit weird seeing people celebrate human casualty. However this turns out no one is going to win.
Estimations are that he has thrown so far 1/3 to 1/2 of Russian troops near the border at it.
Also, China not voting against UN resolution could be China just being China, or could be Xi not really wanting to help Russia economically over this (or increasing their price).
Im not optimistic in the sense that I think Ukraine can win in the short term. But there have been multiple intelligence community briefing of what russias plans are and they are slower than expected.
I don't know for sure of course but this came from US & UK intelligence I believe. They've been spot on so far as to what the Russians have been up to.
Cheers mate, i saw you post a couple of days ago about what's going on in Russia, i hope you stay safe.
From a military stand point it is pretty embarrassing to lose so many soldiers and vehicles so early in a conflict, in one they implied they would easily take over.
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Intelligence reports said they had numerous objectives for day 1 of the invasion and so far on day 3 they haven't achieved any of them, and losses have been far higher than expected.
They are on the outskirts of the capital, not in it (aside from a few special forces groups), which is impressive until you realise the border they are coming from is also practically on the outskirts of the capital. They haven't advanced far at all.
it confirms an undeniable body count. Smart move.
I don’t think people are happy that 18 years old soldiers are dying. It just that by wanting Ukraine to win this war, it explicitly involves Russian soldiers dying there. On mass.
And well, in a conflict between an aggressor and someone defending for their own survival, I know whose side I pick.
I can’t say with certainty myself. People in the comment section can’t be positively sure either.
They don't, it's all guesswork. That's also assuming the figures given by Ukraine are true. Russia haven't used 1/3 of their army that is placed on the borders yet and by most accounts the majority of the current force inside Ukraine is born in the early 2000s.
US intelligence.
They have been proven completely right so far, so nothing to suggest that they are wrong here.
That’s what I mean, sending in mortars and shells indiscriminately. Carpet bombing is that the name for it?
Yeah, it's basic wartime propaganda to boost moral. To be really honest, the only reason why Russia is struggling is that they are (thanks god) trying to limit civilian casualties for the time being so they can go full berserk and drop hundreds of thousands of bombs on cities.
I'm afraid that it might get dirtier if they struggle of bit too much for Putin's taste. Images of devastated ukrainien cities wouldn't look good for him at all though, even in russia.
its not guesswork to have faith in intelligence briefings that have been spot on so far. Have some insight. I’m not giving a personal opinion on that.
It's not guesswork. Intelligence agencies have sophisticated surveillance equipment, double agents that leak information etc.
Not sure but that missile looked rocket powered, so possibly an air defence missile or rocket that could have come from either side. A ballistic missile is unpowered by that point in its flight and a cruise missile is usually jet powered and doesn't leave a trail like that.
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Yes, NATO have been involved and are not hiding that. They are supplying arms that will defend Ukraine but KILL Russian soldiers. Just as Belarus are doing for Russia. It is escalation, but NATO are not idiots and they are humane unlike Putler. They know that if they do not intervene to certain extent, the crazy cnut will inflict bigger pain and losses long-term.
1000 Russian soldiers dying first few days is (unfortunately) better than thousands of Ukraine civilians days later. If anything is going to stop Putin then it's his people dying and masses of his people being against him and against war in general because of that. At least we can hope.
Knowing Russia is planning on attacking Ukraine and knowing what Putins goals are and plans are for this are 2 completely different things. Russia have been mobilising troops around Ukraine for years it's not exactly a shot in the dark that they would eventually attack.
I just disagree with the notion that Putin has intended on taking over Ukraine by now, I don't think America is more knowledgeable about the goings on and military ability in Ukraine than Putin and the Russians. If Putin wanted Ukraine by now he'd have it. End of. There's some deeper plan or goal going on.
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Seems bizarre to me too, although I haven’t a clue about military stuff. We’re not three days into this and people seem to expect the Russians to be in control of all the major urban centres including the capital? Took the US something like three weeks just to get to the outskirts of Baghdad, more time then to take the city. US army being far more powerful than Russian, and Iraqi army being (I presume) in a weaker state than today’s Ukrainian army.
which is where the difference of opinion starts to show. Some people think putin and the Kremlin are masterminds.
I’m starting to see they have no strategy and are out of touch. Why send a very small team of troops to try and take lviv? Makes no sense. Russia aren’t credible strategically or tactically.
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Wait, what?
Not sure why some are putting Putin on some godlike pedestal, he's a big bully boy.
I don't think that Putin cares much about his soldiers dying and he controls most of the media in Russa so it's likely he'll water down the casualties. The likely outcome is thousands of Russian soldiers dying, then thousands of ukraine civilians.
I guess taking Lviv makes sense cause it might be the fall back option of Ukrainian government when Kyiv falls.