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Here we go. UK & US are the real bad guys etc. I suppose everyone should just sit back and allow Russia to invade half of Europe, because that's probably what happens if nobody stands up to them. Lord knows we don't want hypocrisy in world politics now do we.
I respect you as a poster, so I'll clarify.
I'm fairly certain the context of the post makes it clear that the 'criminals' there are NATO+allies and Russia. That the former is fighting a proxy war against the latter via Ukraine, whose citizens are the victims of this situation. Ukranian housewives and senior citizens are unfortunately bearing the arms and being shelled out of their homes, but they didn't start the war - Russians did. In response to the former's diplomatic and geo-political aggression over decades. This was definitely the wrong means of retaliation when diplomatic measures could have done the trick, and that's what makes Putin a war criminal who needs to be countered. But the retaliation was inevitable due to actions the former took, and this military aggression was long coming and long ignored by NATO and co - when elections are being rigged in your favour and Russians are funding your campaigns and buying you influence, no one cares.
I am happy to be pointed towards reliable resources that point otherwise since I'm not learned on this topic. But I have not once blamed the citizens of a country fighting for survival, would not even dream of it.
I took that to mean the West vs Russia.
Exactly. Debate policy failures of NATO all you like but don’t start pretending this invasion is on anyone but Putin.
True but most news outlets are complete radio active toxic puddle of piss anyway. What they say or do is worth less than the crap of a seagul. What's important is the values of yourself and your close ones. 90% of social media and news are cancerous.
Two points.
1. Let's create a new thread for all the arguments about how the West and NATO are hypocrites.
2. Let's never use the word 'Putler' again. It sounds like the title of a canned Rob Schneider film.
1. Let's create a new thread for all the arguments about how the West and NATO are hypocrites.
2. Let's never use the word 'Putler' again. It sounds like the title of a canned Rob Schneider film.
What do you mean by that exactly?
Russia/SU has delivered gas to Germany for decades without any interruptions except when Ukrainians tried to steal from the pipelines. If it keeps flowing it is absurd but absolutely fits the history of this specific business.
This is a bit of a strange example.
Of course he wouldn't be wrong.
What people might consider a little strange though is if that guy also spends his time talking about how he's a huge advocate for women's rights and portrays himself as an advocate for women at risk of DV, when it turns out he has in the past (and continues to) consistently hit women himself.
I don't think generally this thread is the right one to continually bring this up (and I myself have responded to others who've constantly brought up the Iraq war on here etc) as I don't think its particularly all that relevant.
What is relatively clear though is that most people (and most media outlets) do have a relatively blinkered view of certain conflicts vs others. The reasons for that are, for me anyway, quite clear, though I imagine some on here would come up with excuse after excuse for it, but its perhaps not the best thread to continually bring it up.
All of the above does not mean that you don't want Putin to be sent back packing with his tail between his legs though.
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Maybe it's good news that they're still ongoing? Suggests the talks are meaningful?
It is a russian state owned direct propoganda line.
.......so just like daily mail/fox news.
It's a bigger crisis because its a nuclear superpower invading a European country. You cant really be surprised that European and Western media cares more about such an unprecedented and potentially world defining event than a civil war in the Middle East.
“Respect”
I wish at times like this I could just directly hook up some of these posters with Ukrainians currently resisting in Kharkiv and Kyiv for them to NATOsplain the situation.
Yes, that's indeed the message - you got it.
My point being is that while it's fair to criticize UK, US, EU or whatever for what they did wrong in the past (and that's a lot!), it's absolute fair and not immorale or hypocritical to take actions against this unjustifiable attack on Ukraine by Putin's Russia.
It doesn't matter that my country set the world on fire 1939-1945, it does not matter that the UK committed absolute inhumane crimes due to imperial madness or that the US ravaged whole countries just for the sake of gaining political power and oil. These actions against Russia are right. Even coming from countries and entities which have committed atrocities - or even are committing them at this very moment.
Out of interest, has FIFA ever banned a country from competitions, other than when they feel the government has gotten involved in their local FA affairs?
International Olympic Committee asks all sports to ban Russia and Belarus from competitions
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/sport/win...-from-competitions/ar-AAUpR7I?ocid=uxbndlbing
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/sport/win...-from-competitions/ar-AAUpR7I?ocid=uxbndlbing
Christ sake man, I've made my point couple of times now - Crimea is Ukrainian. Elections were rigged. And lets just pretend they weren't rigged and western media propaganda yada yada - Crimea is still ukrainian. You don't like Ukraine? Leave. You want Russia? Go to Russia then. Crimea is Ukraine, was Ukraine and will be Ukraine. Would you support Serbia taking Kossovo if Serbia sent civilians to populate Kosovo and they would call for a coup within couple of years? Would you acknowledge Russian invasion if they had Russians living in Kiev wanted Russia to come and "peacekeep"? Are you not asking yourself, why the hell are the population in Ukraine, if they don't want to be in Ukraine? Russian border ain't that far away.
Sigh. I tried.
South Africa were banned.
I suggest you look at any election monitoring organisation, either independent or by anyone that isn't Russian.. You will ironically find the interference that was called out, was that Russia was attempting to influence the Ukrainian election.
No one needs to do your homework. Find your own sources.
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Good, needs to happen.
Uefa booted Yugoslavia out of Euro 92, with Denmark replacing them and winning with Big Pete.
If you had posted, what you posted second, first, I’m sure many of us what have had a lot more sympathy. Coming in with sloppy language and a complete lack of awareness for any Ukrainian agency in this was always going to get people’s backs up.
You can put a mirror infront of every country and find issue you know depending on how far you pick to look back. Where are you from may I ask?
NATO is fighting a proxy war against Russia? That's a delusion. That's Russian propaganda, nothing more.
You still aren't getting the point are you ?
Unfortunately it's going to be innocent Ukranians that are going to die for this. Not the US, the UK or the EU. Ukraine is yet another nation caught between the power struggle of the 2.
Anyway back to topic:
Let's hope there's an end in sight.
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The irony of using the word 'ironically' in your reply.
Russian interference in Western elections going unpunished because it benefited Trump and BoJo is exactly the kind of thing that emboldened Putin to his actions today. Thank you for making my point.
Corbyn wanted to get rid of trident didn’t he?
Jesus Christ