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I respect you as a poster, so I'll clarify.“Criminals fighting criminals”
At least we know Ukrainians can still be the target of casual racism.
I will quote every one of you wannabe communists and ask you to explain yourselves or go away.
Some of you wannabe diplomats would have Ukraine partitioned to satisfy Putler. If that's diplomacy for you, go and live in Mother Russia.
I took that to mean the West vs Russia.“Criminals fighting criminals”
At least we know Ukrainians can still be the target of casual racism.
Exactly. Debate policy failures of NATO all you like but don’t start pretending this invasion is on anyone but Putin.You are right, this is going to be unpopular opinion.
It's Russia invading an independent, sovereign country whose citizens just wanted to live their regular life. There absolutely are bad and good guys here.
I've had enough of the 'there are two sides to each story' bullshit for today.
What US and UK did or did not do is irrelevant here. Ukraine want to be part of Europe and have every right to it.
I will quote every one of you wannabe communists and ask you to explain yourselves or go away.
Some of you wannabe diplomats would have Ukraine partitioned to satisfy Putler. If that's diplomacy for you, go and live in Mother Russia.
True but most news outlets are complete radio active toxic puddle of piss anyway. What they say or do is worth less than the crap of a seagul. What's important is the values of yourself and your close ones. 90% of social media and news are cancerous.Does it bother you to have a mirror put in front? Why make the injustice of calling out the same shit in other countries a joke? feck Russia but lets not kid ourselves how bigoted some of the news outlets have been about this. Calling this a bigger crises because it's "civilized europe".
You have some on here thinking this is a fascinating first time ever war on social media.
What do you mean by that exactly?Unpopular opinion, but I don't think there's any good guys here. It's criminals fighting criminals, and the common citizens paying a price for it. Putin doesn't have the 'western' luxury of social media and news organizations whitewashing his crimes globally, so it's easier to make him the only villain (he is, not questioning that at all). But the US and UK coming in with their holier than thou bullshit and using other countries to fight their proxy wars is a story we've heard all too often. London clearly encourages Russian corruption, and the US and UK have no right to speak about a superpower invading other countries. 'Spreading the seeds of democracy' and 'civilizing territorites' are just more palatable lies than de-Nazifying a nation. In India, we are yet to celebrate our 75th Independence Day - people seem to forget we had to fight our own wars, and lose many lives to force our English colonizers away to achieve the very goals they posture about championing today. Of all pseudo participants in this war, Germany, now sitting pretty atop a European hierarchy, should best remember what happens when you suffocate a proud animal of space, humiliate it on a global stage and back into a corner with only one way out.
I am shocked at the horrors unfolding in Ukraine - it is unprovoked war on civilians. I am by no means condoning Putin's actions - he is committing war crimes and should be punished, and his retaliation to Western isolation could and should have been diplomatic. I also believe democracy is the least of all evils, so will begrudgingly, but always, choose sides that fight for it. But it cannot be denied that the West forced wounded Putin and mowed him into a corner so they could wave their big dick around, and turned blind eye when Russian interference and corrpution suited their domestic interests while Putin gathered power in retaliation. History repeats itself, the roles merely change.
I hope Russia withdraws their troops. I hope Putin sees sense in his losses and takes the diplomatic route, maybe via Ukraine accepting neutrality and a couple of other conditions, so his economy can recover from the mess. I also hope that NATO stops expanding, Germany reveres its decision to strengthen its military, and China doesn't use this incident as a blueprint for Taiwan. Above all, I hope Ukranians can go back home and stop being pawns on a chessboard they could not influence, and stop living through a war that they did not deserve.
I respect you as a poster, so I'll clarify.
I'm fairly certain the context of the post makes it clear that the 'criminals' there are NATO+allies and Russia. That the former is fighting a proxy war against the latter via Ukraine, whose citizens are the victims of this situation. Ukranian housewives and senior citizens are unfortunately bearing the arms and being shelled out of their homes, but they didn't start the war - Russians did. In response to the former's diplomatic and geo-political aggression over decades. This was definitely the wrong means of retaliation when diplomatic measures could have done the trick, and that's what makes Putin a war criminal who needs to be countered. But the retaliation was inevitable due to actions the former took, and this military aggression was long coming and long ignored by NATO and co - when elections are being rigged in your favour and Russians are funding your campaigns and buying you influence, no one cares.
I am happy to be pointed towards reliable resources that point otherwise since I'm not learned on this topic. But I have not once blamed the citizens of a country fighting for survival, would not even dream of it.
Russia/SU has delivered gas to Germany for decades without any interruptions except when Ukrainians tried to steal from the pipelines. If it keeps flowing it is absurd but absolutely fits the history of this specific business.Tweet
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This is a bit of a strange example.Regarding all of the tu quoque bullshit going around in this thread, I have a simple question with a rather simplified version of what I'm thinking atm and can't really elaborate with my COVID-19 rotten brain:
the guy that hits his wife at home, but intervenes in a public space when someone else is hitting a woman for no reason, is he wrong when stopping the attacker?
2. Let's never use the word 'Putler' again. It sounds like the title of a canned Rob Schneider film.
What do you mean by that exactly?
I'm fairly certain the context of the post makes it clear that the 'criminals' there are NATO+allies and Russia. That the former is fighting a proxy war against the latter via Ukraine, whose citizens are the victims of this situation. Ukranian housewives and senior citizens are unfortunately bearing the arms and being shelled out of their homes, but they didn't start the war - Russians did. In response to the former's diplomatic and geo-political aggression over decades. This was definitely the wrong means of retaliation when diplomatic measures could have done the trick, and that's what makes Putin a war criminal who needs to be countered. But the retaliation was inevitable due to actions the former took, and this military aggression was long coming and long ignored by NATO and co - when elections are being rigged in your favour and Russians are funding your campaigns and buying you influence, no one cares.
I am happy to be pointed towards reliable resources that point otherwise since I'm not learned on this topic. But I have not once blamed the citizens of a country fighting for survival, would not even dream of it.
It is a russian state owned direct propoganda line.Is RT a direct propoganda line from the Kremlin or is it like the Daily Mail/Fox News spinning whatever direction they think the government is going in?
It's a bigger crisis because its a nuclear superpower invading a European country. You cant really be surprised that European and Western media cares more about such an unprecedented and potentially world defining event than a civil war in the Middle East.Does it bother you to have a mirror put in front? Why make the injustice of calling out the same shit in other countries a joke? feck Russia but lets not kid ourselves how bigoted some of the news outlets have been about this. Calling this a bigger crises because it's "civilized europe".
You have some on here thinking this is a fascinating first time ever war on social media.
“Respect”
Yes, that's indeed the message - you got it.You've solved the problem of crowded prisons. Let's let all the murderers out as long as they commit a good deed today.
Christ sake man, I've made my point couple of times now - Crimea is Ukrainian. Elections were rigged. And lets just pretend they weren't rigged and western media propaganda yada yada - Crimea is still ukrainian. You don't like Ukraine? Leave. You want Russia? Go to Russia then. Crimea is Ukraine, was Ukraine and will be Ukraine. Would you support Serbia taking Kossovo if Serbia sent civilians to populate Kosovo and they would call for a coup within couple of years? Would you acknowledge Russian invasion if they had Russians living in Kiev wanted Russia to come and "peacekeep"? Are you not asking yourself, why the hell are the population in Ukraine, if they don't want to be in Ukraine? Russian border ain't that far away.Why they should take Crimea back? Especially with force. The population wanted to leave Ukraine and join Russia. Do you also support Serbia taking by force Kossovo?
Sigh. I tried.“Respect”
I wish at times like this I could just directly hook up some of these posters with Ukrainians currently resisting in Kharkiv and Kyiv for them to NATOsplain the situation.
South Africa were banned.Out of interest, has FIFA ever banned a country from competitions, other than when they feel the government has gotten involved in their local FA affairs?
Two points.
1. Let's create a new thread for all the arguments about how the West and NATO are hypocrites.
2. Let's never use the word 'Putler' again. It sounds like the title of a canned Rob Schneider film.
I suggest you look at any election monitoring organisation, either independent or by anyone that isn't Russian.. You will ironically find the interference that was called out, was that Russia was attempting to influence the Ukrainian election.I respect you as a poster, so I'll clarify.
I'm fairly certain the context of the post makes it clear that the 'criminals' there are NATO+allies and Russia. That the former is fighting a proxy war against the latter via Ukraine, whose citizens are the victims of this situation. Ukranian housewives and senior citizens are unfortunately bearing the arms and being shelled out of their homes, but they didn't start the war - Russians did. In response to the former's diplomatic and geo-political aggression over decades. This was definitely the wrong means of retaliation when diplomatic measures could have done the trick, and that's what makes Putin a war criminal who needs to be countered. But the retaliation was inevitable due to actions the former took, and this military aggression was long coming and long ignored by NATO and co - when elections are being rigged in your favour and Russians are funding your campaigns and buying you influence, no one cares.
I am happy to be pointed towards reliable resources that point otherwise since I'm not learned on this topic. But I have not once blamed the citizens of a country fighting for survival, would not even dream of it.
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International Olympic Committee asks all sports to ban Russia and Belarus from competitions
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/sport/win...-from-competitions/ar-AAUpR7I?ocid=uxbndlbing
Uefa booted Yugoslavia out of Euro 92, with Denmark replacing them and winning with Big Pete.Out of interest, has FIFA ever banned a country from competitions, other than when they feel the government has gotten involved in their local FA affairs?
If you had posted, what you posted second, first, I’m sure many of us what have had a lot more sympathy. Coming in with sloppy language and a complete lack of awareness for any Ukrainian agency in this was always going to get people’s backs up.Sigh. I tried.
You can put a mirror infront of every country and find issue you know depending on how far you pick to look back. Where are you from may I ask?Does it bother you to have a mirror put in front? Why make the injustice of calling out the same shit in other countries a joke? feck Russia but lets not kid ourselves how bigoted some of the news outlets have been about this. Calling this a bigger crises because it's "civilized europe".
You have some on here thinking this is a fascinating first time ever war on social media.
NATO is fighting a proxy war against Russia? That's a delusion. That's Russian propaganda, nothing more.I respect you as a poster, so I'll clarify.
I'm fairly certain the context of the post makes it clear that the 'criminals' there are NATO+allies and Russia. That the former is fighting a proxy war against the latter via Ukraine,
You still aren't getting the point are you ?Yes, that's indeed the message - you got it.
My point being is that while it's fair to criticize UK, US, EU or whatever for what they did wrong in the past (and that's a lot!), it's absolute fair and not immorale or hypocritical to take actions against this unjustifiable attack on Ukraine by Putin's Russia.
It doesn't matter that my country set the world on fire 1939-1945, it does not matter that the UK committed absolute inhumane crimes due to imperial madness or that the US ravaged whole countries just for the sake of gaining political power and oil. These actions against Russia are right. Even coming from countries and entities which have committed atrocities - or even are committing them at this very moment.
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The irony of using the word 'ironically' in your reply.I suggest you look at any election monitoring organisation, either independent or by anyone that isn't Russian.. You will ironically find the interference that was called out, was by Russia.
No one needs to do your own homework. Find your own sources.
Corbyn wanted to get rid of trident didn’t he?That's a bad thing?. Rather that than Tony Blair, George Bush.
Jesus ChristI will quote every one of you wannabe communists and ask you to explain yourselves or go away.
Some of you wannabe diplomats would have Ukraine partitioned to satisfy Putler. If that's diplomacy for you, go and live in Mother Russia.