Russian invasion of Ukraine | Fewer tweets, more discussion

[DT12]

All Putin wants is a couple of years of "peace", build up, and go for rest of Ukraine at a later date.

50 of the world's most advanced economies are currently arming Ukraine. We keep being told that they need another year or so before everything is firing at capacity. Meanwhile, the Russian economy is on its last legs (the same people tell us), and the sanctions mean it will take Russia decades to reconstitute its military. And so using the very principle in your post, those 50 (fifty) countries could ALSO use the couple of years of "peace" to "build up" Ukraine's army, using economic and military means that absolutely dwarf Russia. It would also give Ukraine time to actually train the new mobilised recruits to "NATO standards" and get the F-16 programme properly up to scratch.

You see something doesn't quite make sense does it, when Washington and London continuously say a ceasefire is out of the question because "Russia will simply use the time to rearm". What, and your 50-nation alliance won't? The current situation of an outmanned, outgunned and exhausted Ukraine being ground down is preferable? How does a ceasefire benefit an "economically crippled" Russia more than a 50-nation alliance of advanced militaries and economies?

And I'll keep saying it. Russia does not want "the rest of Ukraine". There is no logical argument for Russia to want, for example, Lviv or Lutsk. Assuming it were even possible to do such a thing (it isn't), it would be a crippling financial liability for Russia. I can't be bothered to lay it all out but if you even knew the colossal cost involved in 'Russifying' Crimea and its citizens 10 years ago. It makes sense to do that for Crimea and the Donbass, but Western Ukraine? For what does anyone in Russia need that place? It cost billions of rubles to do something so basic as provide passports and pensions to the citizens of Crimea, so I'll ask again: why would Russia do that for literally millions of Western Ukrainians who are not ethnically Russian and have no desire to ever be culturally Russian?

 

[Morty_]

50 of the world's most advanced economies are currently arming Ukraine. We keep being told that they need another year or so before everything is firing at capacity. Meanwhile, the Russian economy is on its last legs (the same people tell us), and the sanctions mean it will take Russia decades to reconstitute its military. And so using the very principle in your post, those 50 (fifty) countries could ALSO use the couple of years of "peace" to "build up" Ukraine's army. It would also give Ukraine time to actually train the new mobilised recruits to "NATO standards" and get the F-16 programme properly up to scratch.

You see something doesn't make sense does it, when Washington and London continuously say a ceasefire is out of the question because "Russia will simply use the time to rearm". What, and your 50-nation alliance won't? The current situation of an outmanned, outgunned and exhausted Ukraine being ground down is preferable?

And I'll keep saying it. Russia does not want "the rest of Ukraine". There is no logical argument for Russia to want, for example, Lviv or Lutsk. Assuming it were even possible to do such a thing (it isn't), it would be a crippling financial liability for Russia. I can't be bothered to lay it all out but if you even knew the colossal cost involved in 'Russifying' Crimea and its citizens 10 years ago. It makes sense to do that for Crimea and the Donbass, but Western Ukraine? For what does anyone in Russia need that place? It cost billions of rubles to do something so basic as provide passports and pensions to the citizens of Crimea, so I'll ask again: why would Russia do that for literally millions of Western Ukrainians who are not ethnically Russian and have no desire to ever be culturally Russian?

You can keep shouting it from the rooftops for all i care, all of Ukraine was the objective, i guess they just rolled all of those tanks towards Kyiv for fun, eh?
Russia even embraced that stuff, "we only didn't take Kyiv, cause we were asked to leave" and all that sort of nonsense.

Can we, stop buying their talking points, for once?

Putin isn't acting solely out of rationality, he keeps telling us, every so often, that Ukraine isn't a real country, Ukranians aren't real people, and that Soviet Unions collapse was about the biggest mistake ever, and nevermind the leaked plans for Moldova.


To put it this way, the economics isn't Putin's concern, he wont be around to see the long-term fallout anyway, he wants to be remembered in history.

 

[Simbo]

Similar to the above, 'former' Chinese PLA soldier fighting for Russia. Though he doesn't come across as some dumb merc, more like an officer sent there to experience the war first hand and this is his report back.

 

[DT12]

To put it this way, the economics isn't Putin's concern, he wont be around to see the long-term fallout anyway, he wants to be remembered in history.

Are you listening to yourself? Putin doesn't care about the economic collapse of Russia that he will be responsible for, because he'll be dead when it happens...but his main objective is to be remembered as a great man in Russian history?

And he didn't say the collapse of the Soviet Union was a mistake, he said it was a tragedy. He also said only a fool would want to see it brought back. If you're going to use his words to corroborate your point you need to use them accurately.

 

[Raoul]

Putin invaded Crimea, but that wasn't enough. So he went after all of Ukraine by attempting to take Kyiv and other big cities in addition to Donbas. So why would anyone believe he would stop there ?

 

[Morty_]

Are you listening to yourself? Putin doesn't care about the economic collapse of Russia that he will be responsible for, because he'll be dead when it happens...but his main objective is to be remembered as a great man in Russian history?

And he didn't say the collapse of the Soviet Union was a mistake, he said it was a tragedy. He also said only a fool would want to see it brought back. If you're going to use his words to corroborate your point you need to use them accurately.

Yes, i am listening to myself.

He wants to be remembered for land gains, economic collapses comes and goes, he wants to be remembered for the one who brought back the Russian Empire/USSR.

 

[Morty_]

Putin invaded Crimea, but that wasn't enough. So he went after all of Ukraine by attempting to take Kyiv and other big cities in addition to Donbas. So why would anyone believe he would stop there ?

Just trust him bro, he is totally serious this time.

Sounds familiar? I can think of something...

 

[DT12]

Yes, i am listening to myself.

He wants to be remembered for land gains, economic collapses comes and goes, he wants to be remembered for the one who brought back the Russian Empire/USSR.

Christ on a bike. Do you know of many economically-collapsed states that hung on to a "land grab" of the biggest country in Europe with a 40-million population? What exactly are they going to be hanging on to it WITH, if Russia itself has gone down the crapper?

Anyway have a fine Friday evening (sincerely), I'm off out for a while.

 

[VorZakone]

54,000 confirmed killed on the Russian side.

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[VorZakone]

Putin hijacked Austria’s spy service. Now he's going after its government

Intelligence officials suspect Wirecard COO Jan Marsalek of colluding with the far-right Freedom Party on Moscow’s behalf.

https://www.politico.eu/article/vla...lligence-wirecard-jan-marsalek-freedom-party/

 

[VorZakone]

Perhaps not the best thread but I guess it fits in the larger context of Russian spy activities in Europe.

MEP Clare Daly helped the Russians contact Omagh bomber

Clare Daly, the independent Dublin MEP, gave a Russian spy contact details for a paramilitary held liable for the Omagh bombing and facing extradition on terrorism charges, The Sunday Times can reveal.

The communications took place when Russia’s intelligence services were trying to forge links to republican paramilitary organisations as part of wider efforts to destabilise the European Union.

https://www.thetimes.com/world/irel...d-the-russians-contact-omagh-bomber-lq0wlskfm

 

[Raoul]

ATACMS at work

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[Raoul]

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[Real Name]

Is Russian bot here today to repeat what exactčy are the 4 Putin's aims (which supposedly havent been changed and he keeps track and believes everything Putin says) and to point out a tank column to Kiev was just for the fun.

 

[nimic]

Is Russian bot here today to repeat what exactčy are the 4 Putin's aims (which supposedly havent been changed and he keeps track and believes everything Putin says) and to point out a tank column to Kiev was just for the fun.

Let's not resort to name calling. Let his opinions speak for themselves - and they really do.

 

[RedSky]

ATACMS at work

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Holy buttocks, that's a big boom.

 

[the hea]

Sweden announced its latest weapon package today and one thing that really stood out is that they are donating some of their Saab 340 AEWCS planes.

The support package will include Airborne Surveillance and Control aircraft (ASC 890), which will provide Ukraine with a completely new capability against both airborne and maritime targets. Ukraine’s capability to identify and engage targets at long range will be strengthened. The package will also include a holistic solution that involves training, technical equipment and methodological support for air surveillance and command and control.

The donation will entail a temporary decrease of Sweden’s defence capability, which will be addressed by procuring additional S 106 GlobalEye aircraft and advancing previous orders for two new GlobalEye aircraft.

https://www.government.se/press-rel...ce-and-support-to-meet-its-prioritised-needs/

 

[VorZakone]

Sweden announced its latest weapon package today and one thing that really stood out is that they are donating some of their Saab 340 AEWCS planes.




https://www.government.se/press-rel...ce-and-support-to-meet-its-prioritised-needs/

Impressive. Package worth is 1.16B which is about 10% of Sweden's defence budget in $.

 

[DT12]

Russian trolls pretending to be commanders in Ukraine's 47th Mechanised Brigade speak to Russian propaganda outlet CNN:

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/05/29/europe/ukraine-war-us-tanks-intl/index.html

"The Ukrainian crew expressed frustration the tanks were made for a NATO style of warfare, in which air power and artillery prepare the battlefield before tanks and infantry advance. Kyiv has long bemoaned its lack of artillery and air power.

“They would never do it,” Joker said, of NATO soldiers undertaking the same advances they make without air support. He switched to English to mimic a NATO soldier: “‘Call the aviation, call the artillery,’” he said. “We have no aviation and artillery. We have only tank. And it’s the problem.”


CNN should be banned for peddling Putin's propaganda like this.

 

[maniak]

Russian trolls pretending to be commanders in Ukraine's 47th Mechanised Brigade speak to Russian propaganda outlet CNN:

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/05/29/europe/ukraine-war-us-tanks-intl/index.html

"The Ukrainian crew expressed frustration the tanks were made for a NATO style of warfare, in which air power and artillery prepare the battlefield before tanks and infantry advance. Kyiv has long bemoaned its lack of artillery and air power.

“They would never do it,” Joker said, of NATO soldiers undertaking the same advances they make without air support. He switched to English to mimic a NATO soldier: “‘Call the aviation, call the artillery,’” he said. “We have no aviation and artillery. We have only tank. And it’s the problem.”


CNN should be banned for peddling Putin's propaganda like this.

I'm not sure you know what propaganda means.

 

[stefan92]

Russian trolls pretending to be commanders in Ukraine's 47th Mechanised Brigade speak to Russian propaganda outlet CNN:

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/05/29/europe/ukraine-war-us-tanks-intl/index.html

"The Ukrainian crew expressed frustration the tanks were made for a NATO style of warfare, in which air power and artillery prepare the battlefield before tanks and infantry advance. Kyiv has long bemoaned its lack of artillery and air power.

“They would never do it,” Joker said, of NATO soldiers undertaking the same advances they make without air support. He switched to English to mimic a NATO soldier: “‘Call the aviation, call the artillery,’” he said. “We have no aviation and artillery. We have only tank. And it’s the problem.”


CNN should be banned for peddling Putin's propaganda like this.

It's a well known issue and has been reported since the first Ukrainian soldiers arrived in NATO countries for training on their new tanks.

 

[AfonsoAlves]

Russian trolls pretending to be commanders in Ukraine's 47th Mechanised Brigade speak to Russian propaganda outlet CNN:

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/05/29/europe/ukraine-war-us-tanks-intl/index.html

"The Ukrainian crew expressed frustration the tanks were made for a NATO style of warfare, in which air power and artillery prepare the battlefield before tanks and infantry advance. Kyiv has long bemoaned its lack of artillery and air power.

“They would never do it,” Joker said, of NATO soldiers undertaking the same advances they make without air support. He switched to English to mimic a NATO soldier: “‘Call the aviation, call the artillery,’” he said. “We have no aviation and artillery. We have only tank. And it’s the problem.”


CNN should be banned for peddling Putin's propaganda like this.

I mean he's literally regurgitating the same thing that everyone already knows?

Why are you so bitter and invested in this? You, quite literally, have no skin in the game.

 

[the hea]

Russian trolls pretending to be commanders in Ukraine's 47th Mechanised Brigade speak to Russian propaganda outlet CNN:

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/05/29/europe/ukraine-war-us-tanks-intl/index.html

"The Ukrainian crew expressed frustration the tanks were made for a NATO style of warfare, in which air power and artillery prepare the battlefield before tanks and infantry advance. Kyiv has long bemoaned its lack of artillery and air power.

“They would never do it,” Joker said, of NATO soldiers undertaking the same advances they make without air support. He switched to English to mimic a NATO soldier: “‘Call the aviation, call the artillery,’” he said. “We have no aviation and artillery. We have only tank. And it’s the problem.”


CNN should be banned for peddling Putin's propaganda like this.

These are all well known issues that have been discussed for a long time already. Artillery ammunition, air power and ground based air defence systems are the 3 things that Ukraine needs the most right now and it's been like that since the start of the war.

 

[VorZakone]

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[4bars]

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Now tell china who or who cant not support with what US is doing in israel

 

[VorZakone]

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[calodo2003]

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[AfonsoAlves]

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This is just an excuse - If a horde of ICBM's went into the sky, there are about 50 detection methods, and early-warning radars are simply one of them.

Also, this doesn't make sense on a military level.

Early Warning Radar's are just giant fixed arrays on elevated positions that run extremely low frequency signals. This allows for extreme range but high wavelength.

What this means is that EW Radar's are useless on a tactical level because they cannot provide a strong enough signal to provide a weapons targeting solution.

The article's allusion that these EW radar's that were targeted by AFU were dual purpose, tactical and strategic EW's, does not pass the basic military eye test.

It's just a poorly cooked up excuse.

 

[Raoul]

Hows that bridge doing ?

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[Real Name]

I love Putin's cynicism. Dont strike into Russia cause it would mean escalation and we're ready to talk about peace all the while progressing in Kharkiv reagion and bombarding Ukraine daily.

 

[VorZakone]

Survivors say Russia is waging a war of sexual violence in occupied areas of Ukraine. Men are often the victims

Few men have spoken publicly about their ordeal, but Ukrainian prosecutors and rights groups say male victims make up a growing proportion of cases.

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/05/30/...violence-occupied-ukraine-intl-cmd/index.html

 

[Kyonn]

I don't see how either side can keep up these loses for much longer.

 

[Raoul]

I don't see how either side can keep up these loses for much longer.

Mexican cartels ?

 

[Kyonn]

Mexican cartels ?

Copied the wrong link, sorry. Corrected.

 

[AfonsoAlves]

Survivors say Russia is waging a war of sexual violence in occupied areas of Ukraine. Men are often the victims

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/05/30/...violence-occupied-ukraine-intl-cmd/index.html

Have you heard of the concept of Didovshchina?

Military "hazing" is so bad in the Russian military, usually contract soldiers hazing conscripts, that it basically amounted to mass rape. And it was accepted as part of the culture.

Given Russian soldiers literally raped their own men in peacetime, expect this to extrapolate into wartime against the opposition especially.

 

[VorZakone]

Have you heard of the concept of Didovshchina?

Military "hazing" is so bad in the Russian military, usually contract soldiers hazing conscripts, that it basically amounted to mass rape. And it was accepted as part of the culture.

Given Russian soldiers literally raped their own men in peacetime, expect this to extrapolate into wartime against the opposition especially.

Yeah, I've heard of that term.

 

[VorZakone]

Permission to use US weapons for counter-fire purposes to defend Kharkiv.

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[VorZakone]

Germany has said Kyiv can use German-sent weapons against military targets inside Russia, following a similar decision from the US.

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