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Looks like he has one foot in the grave from those two clips. I don’t normally say such things but let‘s hope so.
Not really sure that would be a good thing. Who would be his successor?
 

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The way he holds on to the table for the entire convo is just strange.

He really doesn’t look good, does he? One can hope…

Wasn't there rumours that Putin had some serious illness when the war broke out? Could be rubbish but you never know.
There was a recent story where they’ve tracked the movements of medical personnel of a certain hospital over the past few years which coincided with Putin’s visits to his Sochi residence and the most frequently appearing name was that of an oncologist (a specialist on thyroid cancer to be specific).

It’s important not to assume that he has one, of course, he may simply be paranoid about thyroid cancer specifically (and there are doctors of literally every speciality in this list as he clearly has very thorough check ups), but it’s something (and probably the closest we’ll get to knowing anything real about Putin’s health).
 

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And by the way good to read from you again, hope you aren't in big trouble?
I just exist in the information bubble where everything is about the war 24/7, with new gruesome pictures, articles and videos coming up every morning, so checking on this thread as well is a bit too much for me.

I’m not in any immediate trouble at the moment, a few of my friends have been found guilty of that weird new “defamation of Russian military” thing but for them it’s been just a fine so far. It’s more the feeling of existential dread, complete powerlessness and inability to plan anything for the future. Thanks for asking though, it means a lot.
 

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How come the Russians are allowing footage like from the meeting with Shoigu to be published? The way he's holding on to that desk looks odd from the first moment and the fact that he seems almost paralyzed from the neck down for an entire video doesn't exactly help him. Are there rumors forcing him to show himself like this to the public?
And even if there are I would have assumed that they would have some tricks to avoid making him look this frail.
 

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He really doesn’t look good, does he? One can hope…


There was a recent story where they’ve tracked the movements of medical personnel of a certain hospital over the past few years which coincided with Putin’s visits to his Sochi residence and the most frequently appearing name was that of an oncologist (a specialist on thyroid cancer to be specific).

It’s important not to assume that he has one, of course, he may simply be paranoid about thyroid cancer specifically (and there are doctors of literally every speciality in this list as he clearly has very thorough check ups), but it’s something (and probably the closest we’ll get to knowing anything real about Putin’s health).
Parkinson’s perhaps. I think I recall reading there were some opinions he might have something like that?
 

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Not really sure that would be a good thing. Who would be his successor?
Hard to run a war when everyone is backstabbing and trying to get to the top spot though. It would be akin to The Death of Stalin. I don't see that there's any concrete succession plan or anyone who could clearly take the helm unchallenged.
 

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Hard to run a war when everyone is backstabbing and trying to get to the top spot though. It would be akin to The Death of Stalin. I don't see that there's any concrete succession plan or anyone who could clearly take the helm unchallenged.
Hopefully there would be an internecine gangster war, where most of them end up killing each other.
 

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KGB director that ended up as the ruler of the entire USSR? Surely it’s not that outlandish to think that Putin looked up to him.
He ruled for something like 15 months, and from what I remember he was probably legally dead for 4-5 of those. While there are probably better rulers to look up to, seeing as Vlad is a dyed in the wool KGB man I can see the admiration from that side based on his tenure as head of that organization.

Although to be fair my wonder at Raoul's post was purely based on my rather lazy comparison of Putin to Andropov based on my recollection of the USSRs era of General Secretary merry-go-round in the early 80s.
 
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KGB director that ended up as the ruler of the entire USSR? Surely it’s not that outlandish to think that Putin looked up to him.
He was also the de facto leader of the USSR as Brezhnev was sinking into mental decline combined to various physical health problems in his last decade.

Thank God that most countries don't allow former intelligence officers to reach the highest echelons of their respective governments that easily. Such scenario would be hell on Earth if it was so easy for them to lead more countries.
 

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Two Russian oligarchs killed family members and committed suicide the same day:

 

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The way he holds on to the table for the entire convo is just strange.

My wife told me when the war started that she thought he might have Parkinson’s. After showing her that video she said “told ya”.

*she also said it might be Graves Disease
 
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I’m not in any immediate trouble at the moment, a few of my friends have been found guilty of that weird new “defamation of Russian military” thing but for them it’s been just a fine so far. It’s more the feeling of existential dread, complete powerlessness and inability to plan anything for the future. Thanks for asking though, it means a lot.
The world hasn't forgotten that there are decent people like you in Russia, who don't support this madness. Stay strong and hopefully over time there'll be more like you and you can make a difference to your country instead of feeling powerless.
 

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'The territory where Russia should protect the rights of Russian speakers is Russia itself.' (Zelensky)

Nailed it again.
 

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Honestly these are empty threats. If they cut off the gas and oil, they'll literally collapse as a state in a single day because that accounts for 80% of their economic revenue. Europa should have gotten rid of itself of Russian natural gas and oil a long time ago, but instead our dumb leaders decided it was a bright idea to get more and more involved with a completely unreliable partner that has proven time and time again that he is completely unstable and untrustworthy.

Hopefully this shit would be the last time this happens and this time Russian gas and oil slowly, but surely, are cut off from the European/American market. If that happens in the near future, Russia won't have any power to do whatever. Ukraine, ironically, can be huge in that because they have plenty of gas and oil fields that are still undeveloped that could act as a replacement against Russian natural resources. That's partly or mostly what this war is about.
 

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The BBC reports:

"Russian state media claims that "sabotage specialists" from the UK are helping the Ukrainian military in the western Lviv region.

According to the Ria Novosti news agency, at least two groups - or about 20 people in total - from the SAS have been deployed.

"These are no ordinary special forces," a Russian intelligence source is quoted as telling Novosti.

The source added that the SAS personnel are likely "co-ordinating the activities of sabotage groups" in Russian-controlled territory.

British media reported last week that SAS troops had been training local forces, according to Ukrainian commanders.

Founded during World War Two, the Special Air Service is known for covert missions, including hostage recovery, reconnaissance and counter-terrorism."
 

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I really want to laugh hard in the face of everyone who has ever mentioned Nato as a reason for occupation and was spreading that propaganda on Putin’s behalf.
 

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I have long said his face looks twice the size, despite not appearing to gain any weight. He doesn't look well.
Hope his worsening physical condition is an incentive for someone to be brave enough to topple him.
 

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The BBC reports:

"Russian state media claims that "sabotage specialists" from the UK are helping the Ukrainian military in the western Lviv region.

According to the Ria Novosti news agency, at least two groups - or about 20 people in total - from the SAS have been deployed.

"These are no ordinary special forces," a Russian intelligence source is quoted as telling Novosti.

The source added that the SAS personnel are likely "co-ordinating the activities of sabotage groups" in Russian-controlled territory.

British media reported last week that SAS troops had been training local forces, according to Ukrainian commanders.

Founded during World War Two, the Special Air Service is known for covert missions, including hostage recovery, reconnaissance and counter-terrorism."
Are they special special forces?
 

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I really want to laugh hard in the face of everyone who has ever mentioned Nato as a reason for occupation and was spreading that propaganda on Putin’s behalf.
I'm sure there are a number of people who blamed NATO who deep down would have been very open to this happening.
 

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My wife told me when the war started that she thought he might have Parkinson’s. After showing her that video she said “told ya”.

*she also said it might be Graves Disease
Yes I mean he could be holding the table to hide his hand shaking. There's no other obvious explanation for gripping the table so tightly. His right foot is constantly moving too