Russian invasion of Ukraine | Fewer tweets, more discussion
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How likely is that Putin will be overturned from within now? The country in disarray and economic crisis, oligarchs who are used to spending time either on their expensive yachts or watching their sports clubs all around the world now stuck unable to do anything, the intervention evidently not going as planned. Is his entire inner circle willing to go such lengths for him or will they put some resistance?
You start to make them sound like the Lukaku of the military world
This is horrific for Ukrainians although hopeful because of their incredible fight back
Tragic for the Russian Army
And Embarrassing for Putin
If it’s true the Russians have lost close to 4500 troops, thats a 1out of 33 death rate in a force of 150,000
that doesn’t include the terrible injury list on top
Let down by their leader, a madman who sent them needlessly too die
Tragic for the Russian Army
And Embarrassing for Putin
If it’s true the Russians have lost close to 4500 troops, thats a 1out of 33 death rate in a force of 150,000
that doesn’t include the terrible injury list on top
Let down by their leader, a madman who sent them needlessly too die
So far they have done that to themselves. I mean, for crying out loud, tanks running out of fuel going to Kyiv. Which is 60m near the border from where they started.You start to make them sound like the Lukaku of the military world
Zero. He could only go more crazy.
It’s shooped, but still good.Remember those road maintenance guys taking down signs? They’ve also been putting some up;
Im told that the bottom bit says “go back to Russia and feck yourselves”
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Domino effect regarding the oligarchs now. Surely Putin can't survive this.
It seems incredible we are at the point of even discussing this, but they should limit to restoring the status quo before 24th. Anything else will really make putler attempt something desperate.
Really don't like seeing the BBC news front page being about Putin escalating the nuclear talk. Unsettling to see.
But, it's probably (and hopefully) dick waving because he's frustrated at his losses in Ukraine and throwing a tantrum.
But, it's probably (and hopefully) dick waving because he's frustrated at his losses in Ukraine and throwing a tantrum.
I got it from a Ukrainian girl, she prob doesn’t know if it’s shopped
I don’t get this. It is a country full of obscenely rich, powerful people. How can he have all the power in the world to basically destroy each and everyone one of them.
Oh, you must. Though the dark humor might feel especially dark right now.
Putler has just mentioned nukes, good luck lifting sanctions even if Russian troops retreat.
Being from a country with sizeable russian minority, I can assure you, that population have the utmost freedom to pack their bags and make a short trip eastwards. Also, I am fairly certain, that there is minimal to no desire of actually being annexed into Russia, just like there wasn't a 97% vote in favour of Crimea joining Russia.
That close circle around him is fully on his side (you don't go to war and then in 4 days things change). Think he would just shoot them.
I really hope you are right and they switch their thinking, but it's too early imo.
Whatever negotiation settlement both sides agree to would have to include at a minimum, Donbas and potentially Crimea as well. All of these are part of the same protracted war that began in 2014, and which has culminated this week. Putin has little leverage to not make significant concessions at this point, since not doing so, would jeopardize the continuation of Swift and other devastating sanctions, which if left intact, would sink him from within.
So short of him being prepared to unleash nukes, he has to negotiate and offer concessions.
I like that bottle neck analogy.
It is hiding behind the rules as it ignores the fact people aren’t simply being prioritised. If I’m a non-EU National/Ukrainian then I can not leave if as you say they can only do 4-6 people an hour then I’m in purgatory. Priority in this situation means you’re continually sending certain people to the back of an ever increasing queue.
I saw a video of a lady holding a two-month old in freezing conditions not being allowed to leave so common sense certainly isn’t even being considered at the point.
Your point on 18-60 year old Ukrainians would hold far more weight if the 18-60 year old non-EU nationals you say have the option to queue were actually leaving, instead they’re posting videos of the 18-60 year old Ukrainians threatening them with guns if they don’t leave said queues.
The whole situation is terrible, I’m not saying open the floodgates yet as you mentioned may eventually potentially happen but you continue to ignore the fact these people aren’t in a usual immigration queue. They’re not trying to get the 10.15 train to Poland.
It's rolling the dice, at least. Might very much be possible that people in command already resent him. It's an unpredictable scenario.
Dictators are essentially conartists. Everyone thinks everyone else is loyal to them so no one dares to do anything even if everyone would like to.
I'm not calling it one way or another in terms of what I think will happen, but a theory on why oligarchs could be powerless to stop him is that they're all beholden to him. They're rich via control of the economic resources, but they have no control over the security apparatus. Essentially they're all in their positions due to his blessing and protection. Like I said, one theory of how it works there.
The Ukrainians have the world's utmost respect, support and sympathy at the moment. For them to start attacking a pro-Russian region would be extremely unwise IMO.
"In a historic announcement to parliament, German chancellor Olaf Scholz has said a fund of €100bn will be set up immediately in order to boost the strength of its armed forces, as well as announcing a sustained increase in defence spending over the coming years. In a historic announcement to parliament, German chancellor Olaf Scholz has said a fund of €100bn will be set up immediately in order to boost the strength of its armed forces, as well as announcing a sustained increase in defence spending over the coming years."
Guardian, if it hasn't been posted already. Last thing Putin wanted.
Guardian, if it hasn't been posted already. Last thing Putin wanted.
Agreed, don't think going on the offense anyhow would be wise
Putin has gone and fecked up, dont think it should be underestimated the mess he’s in now.
He's playing to the gallery, nobody is going to fire nuclear weapons anywhere.
please be true
The first casualty of war is the truth, so unfortunately nothing we read is likely to be true.
Smarter minds than me could correct me but I suspect if Putin's attempt at blitzkrieg fails, he's going to fall back to laying siege on the cities as he did with Grozny in 1999.
Or simply drop out of the sky after running out of fuel...
So called peace talks should include that Russia have to pay costs of rebuilding everything
- International isolation.
- Extreme sanctions.
- Heavy casualties.
- Potential ruble crash tomorrow.
Yeah, he's fecked.
You start to make them sound like the Lukaku of the military world
I don’t think they’ve ever been known for military brilliance though have they? Quite the opposite from what I’ve read in the past. They just have numbers.
They are either giving those regions up or taking them back. I don't believe they will sign any peace treaty only to go back to having a frontline in their country.
Also, Putin cannot be allowed to survive this, he's implanted himself until 2036, he might not have the finances now to rebuild and restructure his army, but his aggressive policies will continue and who knows, in 10 years time, they might be back better equiped.
More and more like Lukaku
He chose his words carefully
, what if he didnt choose his words carefully?The problem is he needs something he can sell at home. Ukraine and the West shouldn't accept any less than a complete Russian withdrawal including Donbass and Crimea etc. That's political suicide for Putin. So what does he do?
He will be dead in 10 years.
been talked about that before. Why you highlight "german" two times?
On topic: It's a remarkable step and an awakening.