Vlad will probably finish him off next time. Especially with the prospect of Biden winning the Presidency and a return to US pressure on Russia, Putin will not want to have viable opposition figure to contend with on the domestic front.
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I doubt it - he’s now too high profile in the West while not presenting any real threat at home (most Russians are fully aware that Vlad and his cronies are corrupt - they are just not that energised by the issue as they assume any successor would do the same).
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What is legally by means of interference in an election. This is not directed at any particular country or organisation.
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Maddow reporting that multiple US hospitals have been hit with Russian cyber hackers.
The real world is becoming like a late season Homeland season more & more each day.
That was a truly chilling read, especially the immediate experience after the poisoning.
Horrifying stuff, the experience reads like a passage from a Philip K Dick novel.
Already taking about going straight back to Russia, brave guy.
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Well, their budget is limit and they only can target influencers. Not like the big budget for the western media disparaging the Russian vaccine in the whole process despite the good results in the Lancet and approved by WHO
You don't need a big budget to influence public opinion. Just look at what the Russians did with the US elections in 2016 with a relatively small staff of trolls.
What's the point though? I would understand if they tried to turn people away from vaccines in general, but what's the logic behind attacking pfizer/biontech specifically? Or is it just a one a time approach, trash P/B first, then move on to the others?
The western media haven’t disparaged the Russian vaccine at all. The problem with that vaccine has been the realisation that they’ve been unable to manufacture it to the same specifications as those (allegedly) used in their trials. Hence the regulators aren’t able to approve it (WHO aren’t regulators)
AZ and J&J were already in trouble because of the clotting issue so undermining Pfizer would be the logical next step.
I only read doubts at any step of the way about the russian vaccines in the media and diminishing the capabilities of russia to come up with a vaccine
yes, is more cost effective than organizing coups and put puppet dictators around latinamerica, Invading middle east and south Vietnam or spending billions raising and sustaining comrade Yeltsin
Doubts that were thoroughly vindicated by the outcome I just described.
Fomenting distrust and division in western societies creates a degree of instability that can be exploited by Putin’s propaganda machine.
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AZ feck it up massively on the data presentation and it was rolled out anyway. And even with the problems what presents still on going. There is a double standard in the media when there is something that it doesnt add up IMO
But of course, is not suprising and I understand. Russia will do what they did against the western vaccines, as the west will do the same against the western and chinese.
I don’t think you understand the extent of the issues around getting the Russian vaccine approved. Their development and manufacturing is flawed on a completely different scale to any of the AZ issues, with these flaws highlighted by multiple regulators, in multiple countries with clinicians also expressing their concern in an open letter to the Lancet, the journal that first published the Sputnik trial results.
You should also note that the AZ issues - although much less significant - were reviewed by multiple regulators and responded to in an open and transparent manner, resulting in approval from every regulator they submitted a license application to. None of which applies to the Sputnik vaccine. Instead the manufacturers have bizarrely been picking fights with regulators and slagging off other vaccines on Twitter. To be honest, at this stage they’ve probably exceeded the worst possible predictions of dishonesty and unreliability made by any of the Western media.
If you want to learn more about the issues around Sputnik and don’t trust Western media, here’s a good summary published in the Moscow Times.
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Do you know who funds Moscow Times? It is supported by The Dutch Foreign Ministry and "independent sponsors". Honestly most of the British press are more independent than Moscow Times. I am surprised that The Russians cannot produce a vaccine. If they are so good in biological warfare, surely they should be able to produce a vaccine? I think its more to do with manufacturing rather than the vaccine itself. UNICEF yesterday also signed with the Russian company for supply of Sputnik.
First time I ever came across the Moscow Times tbh. I’ll take your word for it being biased against Russia.
The Lancet letter is a much better summary of the issues around the Sputnik publication anyway. The manufacturing issues are separate to that but just as problematic. They’re the reason so many regulators aren’t willing to license the vaccine. Unfortunately, it’s still going to get used a lot because so many countries are in such desperate straits. I just hope the fecking thing is at least partially effective. It’s certainly possible that if there is any fraudulent elements to their research it was in an attempt to match the efficacy of the “American vaccine” and there’s a decent drug behind all this (alleged) subterfuge.
Though the source is obviously biased, i am sure that the letter is based on is true so thanks for the information. I was trying to find it by myself when you mentioned it at the beginning of our interaction
Nevertheless, in the article itself, there are countries that are very satisfied with the results. I agree that lack of transparency is worrysome but russia will have way much more scrutiny and much more than the other vaccines.
I dont think russia created a flawed vaccine. They have the brains and the technology to do so. But apparently, since the beginning without waiting for any kind of result, russia was slammed as a third world country uncapable to do so that it was my main point.
But yes, how ever biased the article might be, it seems that russia's lacknof transparency is not ideal
I know someone who is in the UK and is involved in this field. He said he has no proof but he is sure that there is a good reason why the UK, USA, China and Russia was able to produce a vaccine. All have biological warfare capacity. So he thinks the military in all these countries would have given assistance to the commercial companies in the research they have. Russia is supposed to be good in this so no reason to doubt that if they can make Novichik, they can make a vaccine for covid.
The mRNA technology came from Germany, not US. Also, Novichok is chemical agent, not biological.
That sounds suspiciously like Facebook bollox. The mRNA technology behind Pfizer/Moderna has been studied in healthcare for several years now and has absolutely no military value. The technology behind the Chinese and Russian vaccines is even older and already widely used as medicines. Again, there’s no military value.
No you didn't understand what I mean. The military has done research into these things even now.
Have you seen how low the vaccine take up numbers are in Russia? it is a country where there are generally good reasons to be sceptical, if not about the concept (as they do have a lot of talented people), then certainly about the execution.
Into mRNA vaccines? Why? What possible military use could they have? It’s an unbelievably specialised and expensive area of pharmaceutical medicine. Would be bizarre for the military to sink any funds into it when pharma is already all over the technology and there are no obvious military applications.
Im as sceptical with russia as much as i am sceptical of what the western media says about russia and china and any power that threatens the "freedom" of the status quo
It was the culmination of work from multiple researchers from more than one country.
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That's right, what I meant was the implementation by Biontech. But I somehow forgot about ModeRNA (it's in the damn name) which is US company...
I think the problem might come from the fact that these are Russian waters only according to Russia. For the rest of the world it is Ukrainian waters.
If a Russian or Chinese destroyer entering … say... Belfast water?
Then its British waters according to the whole world except IRA maybe?
Yeah the IRA.. and the IRB and the rest of us free staters that want our country back
Bozo Bojo will be angry wanking at the chance to live out his churchill fantasies at this very minute