Watched them again. Sancho's and Saka's were both decent strikes and very good saves. Seen much worse go in just out of luck, like Bernardeschi's. Rashford missed by a few centimetres. Such a shame but you can't really blame them.
It was definitely him.Are you sure Danny Murphy said that?
Because if so I am marking today in the calendar as the first time I have heard him say something sensible.
Fecking hell. We're talking Marcus Rashford and Jadon Sancho here, not Dave and Phil from The Fox & Hound. That shows his mentality.Southgate's words post match: “ “It is always the risk you run but they have been by far the best (at penalties in training) and to get all those attacking players on you have to do it late. It was a gamble but if we gambled earlier we may have lost the game in extra-time any way.”
Shows you the man's mentality last night. Criminal.
I am sure few idiots cant affect the love and pride he has for his country and playing for England.Thousands of brits are texting him saying he should play for Nigeria team, and that was probably the nicest part of those messages he received. How does one player gets motivated to comeback playing for England again?
It's a pure lie. Having more time on pitch doesn't improve ones ability to net a penalty. If it were so. They'd never be any cases of a player scoring in regulation time a penalty and then missing one in the shoot out.You just destroyed your own point. If they had played for longer they would of felt the pressure less as they would have had time to get into the game. Coming in cold increases the pressure.
Being on the pitch longer might have led to a goal without even going to penalties. Why in god's name did he want it to go to penalties.It's a pure lie. Having more time on pitch doesn't improve ones ability to net a penalty. If it were so. They'd never be any cases of a player scoring in regulation time a penalty and then missing one in the shoot out.
What are you on about? We are talking about logic here. Sometimes players miss yes. But you want said players to be put in as good mental states as possible. If someone misses whilst having the best circumstances fair enough. But coming on completely cold is a far more pressured situation it's just logic.It's a pure lie. Having more time on pitch doesn't improve ones ability to net a penalty. If it were so. They'd never be any cases of a player scoring in regulation time a penalty and then missing one in the shoot out.
Yes - this is exactly it for me. When watching live I assumed sterling must have been subbed not to take the 5th.Saka is the only one I don't get... And to be 5th as well? That's absurd... Hasn't Sterling taken City pens? Grealish surely is good at them.
Rashford and Sancho (if he takes them at Dortmund) were fine, just needed to be on 10 minutes earlier to actually be part of the game.
You’ve clearly done your research, I haven’t. Can I ask / confirm - do your numbers include only ‘in game’ penalties or also shootout penalties?Trippier has taken two penalties and missed both. You are not keeping him on the field for another 60 minutes when Italy are on top in case it goes to pens… because he has experience of missing them?
If the best we have to argue about is Mason Mount not taking a penalty, who has taken one single penalty ever at senior or youth level, then it’s pretty self-evident that England had a paucity of takers.
As ridiculous as it sounds, Jadon Sancho, at the age of 21, has scored the third most penalties of all the players in the England squad, whether you look at senior football or also include major youth games.
Maguire, Stones, Walker, Foden and Philips had never taken a pen, at senior or youth level. Grealish has only taken and scored one in reserve football. Mount has taken just one, ditto Shaw. Rice has taken two with a 50-50 record, ditto Henderson. Sterling is 2-3 in his career. DCL has scored all three he’s taken, but only one at senior level. Saka is 2-1 at youth level only.
Do you think? I think they were woeful to be honest, perfect height for the keeper, not particularly well struck with power either. Of course if the keeper goes the opposite way they're better than Rashford's effort because at least they were on target. Very good saves seems a massive stretch to me, which is exactly what the keeper didn't have to do. I'd expect most keepers to save them if they go the right way.Watched them again. Sancho's and Saka's were both decent strikes and very good saves. Seen much worse go in just out of luck, like Bernardeschi's. Rashford missed by a few centimetres. Such a shame but you can't really blame them.
Edit: Further edits as I missed the Nations League third place shootout!You’ve clearly done your research, I haven’t. Can I ask / confirm - do your numbers include only ‘in game’ penalties or also shootout penalties?
Yup they were exactly where a keeper wants them to stand a chance. Never mind a keeper as big as Donnarumma. It's as if they'd given no thought to their opponent to be honest.Do you think? I think they were woeful to be honest, perfect height for the keeper, not particularly well struck with power either. Of course if the keeper goes the opposite way they're better than Rashford's effort because at least they were on target. Very good saves seems a massive stretch to me, which is exactly what the keeper didn't have to do. I'd expect most keepers to save them if they go the right way.
He's 25 and has spent his entire career ducking them at Villa. I'm sorry, but the idea that Grealish is now playing to the crowd and trying to save face is ridiculous. We've got seasons of evidence at Villa, with many different indifferent penalty takers, to suggest Grealish isn't exactly champing at the bit to ever take a penalty.So Grealish has come out and said he would of taken one. So really it is on Southgate. Beyond stupid
Also let us not forget rashford and sancho came when Italy had won the corner and then Rashford was asked to play rb. That showed how little the manager trusted them. It was poor by southgate.Because in training they were likely the best penalty takers. My biggest problem with the takers was that with rashford and sancho they weren't even a little warm. Did they even get a touch on the ball? Get them on the field sooner. Problem though is southgate plays favourites and won't dare sub of sterling...
I agree since there is obviously a lot of luck involved in those shootout-lotteries and hindsight is always 20/20 but still: if you know well in advance that your squad isn't equipped THAT deep in trusted pen-takers you should a) either make sure that those that are reliable ones are well vested within the tournament. Here you can certainly place some deserved criticism at Southgate (btw. what happened to Foden?? I'd guess he has the guts and technique to take pens as well) or b) set up your in-game matchplan that you likely defeat your opponent within 120mins (more like 130mins yesterday). Here Southgate can certainly be criticised as well since he played the low-risk game till the very (bitter) end while holding all the trumps in his hands two minutes into the final already.That still leaves you with Kane and Rashford as certainties. Maguire and Sancho the other players with at a couple of penalties taken and a 100% record at senior level. If Saka was performing well in training and you have faith in him, I can understand why. There's really not a good obvious candidate looking at all the data available.
The same manager's processes and approaches worked against Colombia and Switzerland. We shouldn't be too results-oriented after losing a single shootout,
Because he won't let the opinion of some utter cretins stop him from playing for his country, would be my guess.Why would Saka continue to represent England after all this? What's his motivation?
Yup.If the fuss is about him being the 5th taker, well taking the 5th pen means nothing. You cannot know in advance that the 5th pen will be the final one. Had Jorginho scored, Sancho's would've been the final one, had Rashford or Sancho scored then Saka missing wouldn't have been the final pen either
It's all on Southgate. Schoolboy manager. Got lucky with home games and an easy draw then showed his ineptitude in the final.So Grealish has come out and said he would of taken one. So really it is on Southgate. Beyond stupid
This is a penalty shootout not an in game pen. Didn't a Villa fan say he took one when they got promoted? Southgate said it was his decision, Grealish said he out his hand up. Why are you creating your own line of thinking?He's 25 and has spent his entire career ducking them at Villa. I'm sorry, but the idea that Grealish is now playing to the crowd and trying to save face is ridiculous. We've got seasons of evidence at Villa, with many different indifferent penalty takers, to suggest Grealish isn't exactly champing at the bit to ever take a penalty.
I disagree, we've seen it before where the 5th penalty taker doesn't even get to take a penalty as the shootout is lost before it even gets to them. If we had Kane as the 5th penalty taker, there's a good chance that he wouldn't have even taken his penalty.best penalty taker has to take 5th.. Pirlo's 5th is still remembered and so is Ronaldo's and also Jorginhos (although he missed yesterday)
The panenka? That was Italy's third penalty in that shootout.best penalty taker has to take 5th.. Pirlo's 5th is still remembered and so is Ronaldo's and also Jorginhos (although he missed yesterday)
No, the best takers have to go first, second and third. The fourth and fifth penalty might not even matter. Taking the fifth is just attention hugging and wanting to be the hero.best penalty taker has to take 5th.. Pirlo's 5th is still remembered and so is Ronaldo's and also Jorginhos (although he missed yesterday)
I think it really depends on the squad but I've heard some coaches say the best should go 1, 3 and 5.No, the best takers have to go first, second and third. The fourth and fifth penalty might not even matter. Taking the fifth is just attention hugging and wanting to be the hero.