Nobody got beaten up here. So there’s that.
Amusingly Im not surprised at your take on this. Its in line with your usual shit.
Replace ‘White’ with ‘Black’ and ‘Bastard’ with ‘Cnut’ - different people, same kind of insult isn’t it despite the obvious differences around historical context. As some others also said, it’s a racist insult if the person on the receiving end believes it to be racist.
a depressingly predictable response for somebody who would advocate that nonsense tweet.
do you not think you're being a little disingenous here? i think most people are accepting of the fact that there is a difference for many reasons, but making the distinction that legally there isnt. When you consider precedent and how judgements can impact others, we cant cherry pick when the law is concerned. she's supposedly said something to him, while drunk and abusive and he was just working, and he's taken it as he has. sure, another officer might not have even noticed, but he did, and within the law has the right to complain whatever way he wants about her. It would be interesting to hear her explain why she brought his skin colour into the situation at all, if it was in a way that wasn't racially driven, with my most generous hat on, i cant think of one. Especially when you consider a taxi man has already had to call police, we can assume it wasnt a polite observation. All of course, assuming she said it.
Of course white racist shitbags as you say, those with an agenda against racial unity and elements of the far right are going to have a field day with it.
She wasn’t in Australia, she was in London. The context is UK law relating to racially aggravated crimes, not some history lesson relating to race relations in either country.
Yep, that's why they're calling her a national hero
I don’t know why she said it either but it’s not hard to come up with a theory, right? Any ethnic minority will be familiar with the reputation police have for treating them harshly/unfairly because the police are often accused of being racist themselves. So if she thinks the policeman is treating her badly because of her race then the race of that police man will be front and centre in her mind when she starts cussing him out.
Charlie ought to pull rank on them while they are still part of the commonwealth!Yep, that's why they're calling her a national hero
But in the eyes of the law it is the same, which is all anyone is saying.....
We get it. It's just that there shouldn't be a reason you can get away with racially abusing someone just because historically white people have endured less of it.
I honestly don’t care what the law says here. Like I said, we’re not in court. I’m just pushing back on people who seem to think there’s absolutely no difference between a white person insulting black person over their skin colour and vice versa.
I don't mean the history absolves the person of being a jerk, or that it's ok as some kind of revenge for past wrongs. I meant that the words don't have the same weight as there isn't a history of oppression or slavery attached to them.Ah I see. Not the same impact to who? The white cop? I think you'd be wrong to assume white people aren't personally impacted by racial abuse. At the end of the day we're talking about individuals and a specific situation. I'm not sure why the entire history of colonialism, systemic racism or whatever else needs to be brought into the mix. Could I just go up to any Spanish or Japanese person and racially abuse them because their ancestors likely raped and killed my ancestors in the Philippines? No, I love visiting both Spain and Japan.
Why do people find this so hard to understand? Black/brown people have to work hard to get equality. And insulting them about their skin colour is always intended to remind them of the “lesser” status they’ve had to endure for generations. It’s supposed to bring them down a peg or two. There just isn’t any equivalent to this when a white person is reminded that they’re white.
Bigotry of low expectations. You seriously heard MLK's speech and thought "nah feck that, I know better". Stop judging people based on the colour of their skin.
Honestly just re-reading this, do you hear yourself? As if non-white people should feel offended if they are "reminded" of their colour, you think people forget?!
I really don't understand your stance on this. Obviously I understand historical racism plays a part in your thinking (and no I'm not dismissing it still goes on with a minority of backward thinking people) but surely if we are to fully stamp out racism you cannot differentiate between comments based on the colour of the persons skin just because on this occasion the person on receiving end is white and therefore the majority and not coming from a heritage that has been marginalised for centuries. So we should just accept it is OK for someone to use someone's race as a precursor for further derogatory comments just because the person's race is white? It is still discriminating against that person based on the colour of their skin. That is exactly what we are trying to educate to the racists that is wrong.
Wow. What a car crash of a post.
Right back at ya pal
Well said mate. I’ve followed this thread for the last few days and I think I’m just going to check out of it now. You’ve said everything I think on the matter as well as my disappointment in the behaviour that led to a cabbie having to call the police in the first place.
That's exactly what I think can make racist white people worse. If her alleged behaviour is deemed that she was abusive due to her prejudice of the police man being white then as you say it is racially aggravated and no different than if she had said similar to a policeman of different ethnicity. Just because white people haven't historically been oppressed doesn't mean that someone who potentially prejudices white people is OK to do so. Would it be OK for a carribean or Asian supermarket to refuse to serve white customers on this basis? Or would that be discrimination? Then how is making comments based on a policeman's skin colour OK?
I would like to add that there have indeed been white people who were historically oppressed based on racist stereotypes. The Nazis did it with the Slavs.
There is a difference when debating it, but can there be regarding this specific law? If you reference someone’s race during an insult, I’m not sure legally how she can defend it, unless the law says it’s different if it’s used against white people.
I’m Anglo-Irish so I would have taken offence to that even more thanks.
The obvious mistake you’re making here is the view that ‘I don’t find that offensive and no one else should either therefore it is wrong’.
And that's recent history as well, Caucasians were enslaved by the Arabs from the Ottoman Empire at one point although probably the numbers of the slave trade conducted by European countries / America was higher because of the upward trend in economic expansion we've seen throughout the world as time passed. Of course we have to acknowledge that minorities like African Americans in the current time are far more impacted by this, because their history with slavery/racism is more recent and they've suffered economically/socially etc. from it more recently - Same goes for minority migrants to Europe/US/Australia from parts of Asia or South America for example as a result of colonialism.
If that person felt it was racist and was offended, he/she has every right to bring that country's laws against me, and the same goes if I insult an Indian there for being Indian / having a particular skin colour or for practicing a certain religion. It doesn't change if I call a white person that in England either - In all of the above situations, what I've said there can be interpreted as racist.There is probably a correlation to this.
I'm not even giving an opinion. More of an explanation. Which shouldn't be needed. Yet here we are.
You very much are. You are suggesting you wouldn’t find it offensive for the following reasons and as such no one else should and therefore that’s the end of it.
I get everything you're saying, as I think most do, but it's still not the same in legal terms. I know lots of police and the shit they get called and done to them is mind boggling. This is a police officer prepared to go to court against a famous person knowing it will bring lots of attention. Maybe I'm wrong but you can't be too thin skinned as a police officer. Will be interesting to see how it plays out very often these stories get more context later, but id lean towards him feeling it was a racial and aggressive confrontation to bother pursuing it
It's obviously not OK to say this (any part of what she is supposed to have said), but it's also insane to say there is no difference in a white-majority place between a white person saying 'you black bastard' and a non-white person saying 'you white bastard'. With 'black bastard', there is a long history of white people acting from a position of dominance and perceived superiority, and then pushing down against racialized populations. With 'white bastard', that same history works the other way round, and it's more commonly a reaction to perceived oppression.
I went to a very multicultural primary school growing up and remember one of the young girls was bullied by 2 ethnic students. She had snow white skin, freckles and bright red hair. The bullies always made fun of her appearance, called her "red neck houso" (equivalent to white trash) amongst other things. In the end she moved schools because it got too much.
Being called white is not the same as being called pale or pasty. Especially in a derogatory/abusive context.
I find it strange that so many on here seem to think that racism against white people is acceptable or less racist because white people are less likely to experience discrimination. I personally have experienced racism myself as an Asian woman, but it's never affected me. Doesn't mean another Asian person won't be offended by the same treatment, and they have every right to be.
No we can't and in fact there are at least 3 different versions of what's she's alleged to have said that I've seen so far and she pleaded 'not guilty' so at the moment it's just allegations
