Samuel Luckhurst - Should he be fired?
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Please tell us your definition of racism and why you are the authority on what it means.
A good point. They have been given the opportunity to do so but persist in avoiding it.
If you say so but you are an exception then - it's clearly not the norm. Most start supporting United because of their success. Don't think it's arrogance - just the truth, like united playing in red.
Again with the not reading posts...
Racism is discrimination or abuse based on race - definitely not observing that the front row of OT had a few East Asians sitting there.
I have no authority just common sense. Where is your authority coming from?
Luckhurst did actually respond to some of this, on the evening it all kicked off, via his FB page. Couple of days ago, but doesn't appear to have been posted yet:
He then responded to some of the comments/questions following his statement:
He then responded to some of the comments/questions following his statement:
Oh, but you did...You have been arguing it as well. You have turned the narrative to be about how it's about locals will always feel closer to the club when that was never the argument, to begin with. There is your straw man.
The irony is the fact that he is from Kent and makes those hypocritical comments only aimed at Asians or "Foreigners" makes it even worse for your argument...
I think this is also what @fishfingers15 @7even have been getting at unless I am mistaken. Let's get back to the core argument regarding the original point of this thread and just answer the questions plainly rather than a facile attempt at diverting the attention away from his clear statements into something unrelated like how non-manchester residents will feel closer to the club...
no, you are the one saying people don't know racism is...
And if you don't see the discrimination in those tweets then you are either deluded or kidding yourself
And the part in bold is just utterly pathetic, not only do you not include all the quotes but the one you do is a twisting of it "Observing east Asians" utter garbage pal. Also, how do you explain your way out of "Idiot Asian fan" and talking about them being "Suspicious". I suppose you think that Racism does not exist and its just a word the "PC police" band about? Taking another example using your logic calling someone a racist word is merely someone stating that a person belongs to a certain ethnic background...
I'm going to leave you to your self-delusion.
Going by Luckhurst's logic, aren't non Mancunian British fans of Utd bigger 'fanboys'. Those guys had a club to support in their city, possibly a PL club, but chose United, with the most likely reason having been trophies. Its a dangerous assumption as I'd say the non Mancunian regular match goers are possibly our biggest fans as they have a 200 mile journey on a weekly basis.
Additioally, didn't we used to have around 6-7 Sikh guys who used to be OT regulars and always occupied the first row. They are of Asian descent- fanboys? No. I'm not saying all our foreign fans are loyal as feck, but why generalise it to all fans. As a 'journalist', he should e knowing better.
Additioally, didn't we used to have around 6-7 Sikh guys who used to be OT regulars and always occupied the first row. They are of Asian descent- fanboys? No. I'm not saying all our foreign fans are loyal as feck, but why generalise it to all fans. As a 'journalist', he should e knowing better.
Matic rumors are more than a week old though.
No you don't stating "the bleeding obvious".
You're an excellent poster but you also know how to move focus away from the original subject. Politicians often do this and in the end nobody knows what they are discussing. That's why this discussion drifted to disappointed "fanboys, local lads, top reds and so on. And recently I see Luckhurst using his FB to do a classic damage control. Nice try from all of you.
Secondly. Do you really think that all of us was upset because one journalist says that Fabinho wasn't on the clubs priority list. The thing that you deliberately, or by accident, started to comment about other things then the original subject made me comment about you betting on the wrong horse. Going by your previous history as a member on the Redcafe I thought you where either trolling or wanted to be a opportunist. But you continued. That surprised me.
Samuel Luckhurst made a fool of himself. Xenophobic comments. Patronizing. Using words like "fanboy" and refer to supporters as "Asians" His previous tweets suggest that this wasn't the first time. As a professional journalist you must do better then this, otherwise your readers will shot you down. Claiming he's followed by trolls or haters isn't an excuse. As a public person you have to have a thicker skin then average Joe. If someone steps over the line then report it to the police.
Anyway. We all do mistakes. Let's hope Luckhurst learns from this. But if he continues then sooner or later he will pay the price. Regarding you Pogue. Probably a bit unlucky, you messed up the wrong people. But shit happens, tomorrow we discuss another subjects. Btw. Matic looked class on YT, I didn't remember him that good...
Quite funny, but he published an article which was a translation of Anderson talking about Moscow and being nervous. Problem is he basically just stole somebody elses work and didnt even give them credit (havent checked to see if hes changed this)
Also he wrote an 'article' based on Morata GF social media activity.
Hes not a journalist, hes a blogger.
Also he wrote an 'article' based on Morata GF social media activity.
Hes not a journalist, hes a blogger.
Credit to the guy. Has been spot on this summer.
With?
He has been getting it right since last summer tbh. He got Matic signing right and this season broke the Fred links if I remember correctly. I won't say he's the best reliable, but at least is turning out to be someone I can read what he's saying.
Fred.
Little early in the summer to be bringing out the bunting for him
Not really... He has been good since the last summer -- when we were all giving him pelters. So like if we can abuse him, it's only right to credit him when he's been doing his job.
I'm sure this is of significant comfort to Gary Speed's family.... or did I totally misread the first page of this thread?
In fairness, is it hard for a journalist to bank on Fred in his articles after Shaktar themselves said 2 months ago "Fred is leaving in July and it will be to Manchester" ?
Yeah he got Fred right. So did most after that statement.
Yeah he got Fred right. So did most after that statement.
I didn't say he's not a fecking whack-a-do!!
I just meant that he's been right with Fabinho, Lukaku, Fred and some other stuff I can't remember etc.
I actually can't believe I'm defending him but he said yesterday or day before that the deal was close. And today it looks like it's done. He was adamant that we weren't in for Fabinho. I seem to recall him being certain that it was Lukaku we were after and not Morata, although who knows what happened with Morata. Anyway, I said my piece -- I'm out.
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He's gained credibility in transfers. I can't deny that. But he's also a cnut.
I agree.
Who else are we signing according to him?
Strange thread to be giving credit to him!
Isn't this a Castles story? He called Fred and Sandro months ago
Isn't this a Castles story? He called Fred and Sandro months ago
Up there alongside Di Marzio, the chap from BBC and Balague.
I think I know where Samuel Luckhurst gets his information from.
And it's definitley worth a listen.
You don't have to like the guy, his journalistic style or his opinion on United but he's worth a listen I wager on general gossip.
Castles is the same.
Simon Stone also definitley seems like the new person to brief to. I don't think he comes out with much unless it's official or straight word from the club so maybe not great for gossip. There's something up on the BBC about Fred and Alderweireld. That's when you know we're confident.
And it's definitley worth a listen.
You don't have to like the guy, his journalistic style or his opinion on United but he's worth a listen I wager on general gossip.
Castles is the same.
Simon Stone also definitley seems like the new person to brief to. I don't think he comes out with much unless it's official or straight word from the club so maybe not great for gossip. There's something up on the BBC about Fred and Alderweireld. That's when you know we're confident.
... That's a pretty wide range of journalistic abilities.
Are we still talking about the same Luckhurst who spent the whole last summer insisting on imminent arrivals of Griezmann, Bakayoko, Marquinhos? Even James Robson is more reliable than him in M.E.N
Where is Dean Henderson born?
30 seconds on wikipedia shows Whitehaven, in Cumbria.
Definitely born in Cumbria. I played against him a few times and he came through the Carlisle academy before being snapped up by United when he was around 13.
Why this thread though?
What’s going on?
He’s clearly referencing Newcastle fans wearing actual tea towels. People really need to pick up the context when trying to cancel someone.
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