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Samuel Luckhurst - Should he be fired?
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The witch-hunt continues.
Still no evidence of racism, obviously but props to the latest hardworking tweet-miner for finding some unfunny and tasteless tweets, from five years ago. Keep it up, lads. You're doing the lord's work.
Still no evidence of racism, obviously but props to the latest hardworking tweet-miner for finding some unfunny and tasteless tweets, from five years ago. Keep it up, lads. You're doing the lord's work.
I don't know if he should be sacked, but he comes across as a massive knob. I'm not gonna call him racist but there are definitely some xenophobic undertones in his tweets and in the Fabinho article.
I get people saying the comments were out of context. I'm not really seeing anyone explain what the correct context to view those Tweets should be.
Luckhurst has fallen into the trap of trying to be hard hitting but just comes across like he's been hit hard, in the head.
Should he be sacked for his tweets? I don't know but he is terrible at his job. He could be sacked for that reason.
Should he be sacked for his tweets? I don't know but he is terrible at his job. He could be sacked for that reason.
Do some of you lot even know what racism is? Disgusting how such an important issue is being trivialized by butt-hurt transfer muppets.
I also don't understand why foreign or out-of-town fans are getting so upset by his comments - because let's be honest most of us support United because of their success and nothing else. Manchester United will always belong more to the people from Manchester. The hint is in the name.
I also don't understand why foreign or out-of-town fans are getting so upset by his comments - because let's be honest most of us support United because of their success and nothing else. Manchester United will always belong more to the people from Manchester. The hint is in the name.
I hope we sign Fabinho. Utd fans will troll him so much - he'll probably resign himself.
United belongs the most to Yankee family. 
I'm a local supporter and I think his comments about out of towners are unfair. We're all allowed different opinions though, calling for him to be sacked is ott.
The idea that residents of Manchester have a birth right to being a higher class of a fan is beyond ridiculous. There are many international supporters who would happily devote time and money to supporting their club more than some fans closer to the ground. Sam L. painting the foreigner support with the same brush may not be racism, but it's certainly an inaccurate sweeping statement that highlights his dickish nature.
Yeah I haven't seen anything blantantly racist, lots of out of context quotes.
What is said though, he comes across as a right twat, certainly not a likeable fellow.
There's no birthright nor are they necessarily better fans but it's more likely they'll have a connection with the club as a Mancunian that OOTers will never have.
I agree, but glazing over his tweets, he seems to affiliate foreigners as fanboys. I could have interpreted that wrongly but it's not an accurate or fair statement to make.
He's not racist, obviously. But he's certainly a dick. I also think he knows feck all too if you actually read his transfer related scoop.
So the outsiders shouldn't support Manchester United? Why are we still here even after the club hasn't had the same success which they had before SAF left? We could have been supporting Chelsea or Leicester or Real Madrid instead of supporting Manchester United but we aren't doing that. If you are defending Luckhurst, you are no different than him.
I think the OP of this thread looks empty so anybody who comes in will think, wtf really? Which is fair. I think ive read that about 4 or 5 times already.
The problem is also that the OP contained a RT (old school style) rather than a tweet he was saying himself which makes the basis of this thread empty. And tbh should have been updated with the other ones.
And a lot are saying, this is a witch hunt because he says were not in for Fabinho. I dont think many people have an issue with him reporting that. I think the problem he had was the belittling nature of his blog (well a blog dressed up as an article) along with the way he looks down at people who disagree with him (that Mata vs Jose deal from the CS is the reason I stopped following him or taking him seriously)
But yeah, from him basically taking a jab at the actual people that would be clicking on his links (MEN do work with clickbait so he does rely on them), was just idiotic.
From that, yes, a lot of his old tweets are being dug up (and no it doesnt take one person to actively scroll through all his tweets, a quick search will bring it up). Petty, yes? But it shouldnt gloss over what hes said. Some clearly arent just 'out of context' otherwise he would never have deleted them.
From what i understand hes from 'out of town' himself (But somebody else can say whether thats right or wrong). So for him to talk about foreign fans for arguably the biggest club in the world is stupidity. Through luck or skill, hes in a position a lot of people would be happy to be in with regards to covering our club.
I dont think he should be fired for his tweets but he should be questioned.
However if I was in charge of MEN, unless he was given a strict directive which hes currently following, I wouldnt want him as hes terrible at whatever hes supposed to be doing. He doesnt really break any stories and hes not professional at all.
The problem is also that the OP contained a RT (old school style) rather than a tweet he was saying himself which makes the basis of this thread empty. And tbh should have been updated with the other ones.
And a lot are saying, this is a witch hunt because he says were not in for Fabinho. I dont think many people have an issue with him reporting that. I think the problem he had was the belittling nature of his blog (well a blog dressed up as an article) along with the way he looks down at people who disagree with him (that Mata vs Jose deal from the CS is the reason I stopped following him or taking him seriously)
But yeah, from him basically taking a jab at the actual people that would be clicking on his links (MEN do work with clickbait so he does rely on them), was just idiotic.
From that, yes, a lot of his old tweets are being dug up (and no it doesnt take one person to actively scroll through all his tweets, a quick search will bring it up). Petty, yes? But it shouldnt gloss over what hes said. Some clearly arent just 'out of context' otherwise he would never have deleted them.
From what i understand hes from 'out of town' himself (But somebody else can say whether thats right or wrong). So for him to talk about foreign fans for arguably the biggest club in the world is stupidity. Through luck or skill, hes in a position a lot of people would be happy to be in with regards to covering our club.
I dont think he should be fired for his tweets but he should be questioned.
However if I was in charge of MEN, unless he was given a strict directive which hes currently following, I wouldnt want him as hes terrible at whatever hes supposed to be doing. He doesnt really break any stories and hes not professional at all.
Where did I say that? Nor did I say OOTers were fickle - I just said we started supporting the club because they were successful and not because they are our local team.
Yea seems to be a bit of an abrasive, sanctimonious cnut - but IMO that's half of twitter.
Also why did you have to choose this username?!
Liked your posts do thought I'd free ride some forum respect!
Amazing that this needs to be said. The clue is in the "M" of the MUFC. I'm not mancunian and will never have the same connection with the club as local fans. C'est la vie. I made my peace with this fact a long time ago. I'd suggest every other OOT fan does the same.
Speak for yourself instead of trying to become a mouth piece for millions of fans world over.
When it comes to me for instance, I fell in love with the club because of Beckham and Keane. Being a young kid at a time when Internet was in a very nascent stage and not being an avid reader at that age anyways, it wasn't till a good couple of years later that I found out about the success the club had had. Till then, I'd just watch matches when I could, root for the team and that'd be it.
Who the feck cares about what you think and who are you to say how fan should feel about the club, OOT or not?
It honestly doesn't matter what anybody thinks of what connection I should feel for man utd and I sure won't care about some sanctimonious Dorothy like you or wumminator lecturing me about how I won't ever real rivalry with Liverpool. If you made your peace, awesome.. shove it and don't think for others.
Was he not the first one to get a whiff of the Matic story this week?
Without wanting to defend a very poor, clickbait, twitter abusing mouthpiece. (barely a journalist) I would be remiss not to call out some serious nonsense in this thread.
It's increasingly easy for people to be labelled racist with wanton disregard for the truthfulness or impact of that statement. Luckhurst IS A RACIST. THESE TWEETS ARE RACIST, HE IS, WAS AND ALWAYS WILL BE AN UNEQUIVOCAL UNREPENTANT RACIST.
Who on God's green earth are you to draw such conclusions from 4 dubious tweets out of thousands?
*I'm sure you've never made a questionably racial quip, had a problem with a certain kind of person and then generalised about a certain race, ethnicity, creed, culture or otherwise. I'd love to lift the lid on all your sins so the good (or not) people of Redcafe can judge you for all your missteps.
Goes for more than few in this thread, as far as I can see.
Oh but he's in the public eye etc etc.
*The meaning is obvious, your excuse for racially motivated bigotry is "well we've all done it/Think it". Speak for yourself. You are under the impression that everyone has this underlying contempt for other races just waiting to boil to the surface and somehow you decided it was a good idea to support this claim by saying "lift the lid on everyone's sins" which is merely a diversionary attempt to sweep this crap under the carpet. By your "logic", no one can be accused of anything because "we have all sinned".
**Sorry didn't know you were paying me by the hour. I came back as quick as I could. Looks like 3rd times the charm...
You're an good guy but in this thread you have lost it.
Luckhurst. Local lad brigade. Top red discussion.
Probabaly a bad day :-)
Do you disagree with my post? Surely I'm just stating the bleeding obvious?`
It's amazing how people associate all foreign fans as basically 'Glory hunters'. Personally, I fell in love in MUFC due to Beckham and Van Nistelrooy. Plain and Simple. Hell I didn't understand the game then, hardly knew how the league works as in how is the winner decided as hadn't watched a league competition. Loved the logo, and loved RVN's and Beckham's hairstyle and as a 10 year old, I fell in love due to these things! And I'm pretty sure, half the foreign fans who became Utd fans at around that age, would have a similar story
This is a diversion from the crux of the matter. Having already been shown how he has clearly demonstrated time and time again that he has a problem with Asians or "Foreigners" as he perceives them you decided to create a straw man by claiming that he only wants "Mancunians fans" to support the club. Well I guess he does not realise that Manchester does have Asians born and living in it alongside other races who are not "Foreigners" (as if being foreign is a bad thing)
He is an utter cretin who should realise that the very reason that United are where they are and are able to be the Globa powerhouse that it is has everything to do with the fact that it has Global/Foreign support both in financial/sponsorship via fans across the world.
You'd never have heard of Ruud or Becks if they played for a third division team though. Chances are you wouldn't have had any interest in them even if they played for a poor team in the English top flight. There's nothing wrong with falling in love with successful club, though. It's natural. Especially for kids. It does make you, literally, a glory-hunter but who cares? You've probably supported the club long enough by now that the original reason you fell in love is no longer relevant. You'd still support the club even if we were relegated. Being a football fan is a bit like being married. It's a commitment that should last long after the looks have started to fade!
Yeah, that wasn't me. If you're going to throw round accusations of creating straw men you should at least address them to the right person. Fairly sure Luckhurst isn't actually mancunian anyway. Didn't someone say he was originally from Kent?
True.
Exactly!!
Doesn't the same apply to local fans though? If United had always been a third division team with no history of success most of their parents/grandparents would have supported a different team. There's a reason United have far more supporters than City in Manchester.
My point was that a twitter post or comment can be rude, offensive, crass, distasteful and a great many other things, it can have racial undertones, overtones, insinuations or anything else, however the hypocrisy in branding the author an ironclad racist is so painfully obvious.
I have not made any excuse, I think the tweets are extremely poor and I think the journo is a dick, It doesn't make him a racist and I wouldn't take to Redcafe, twitter or wherever else to furiously label him as such knowing next to nothing.
I don't have any such impression, I'm merely capable of acknowledging that we all say stupid things occasionally, sometimes because it's unabashed racism granted, sometimes it's because we're just an idiot, other times because we think it sounds funny or cool, sometimes to impress a certain person, sometimes because we're in a bad mood, other times for very little reason at all. It's human nature and your inability to accept that simple fact of life tells the story about the worth of this conversation.
You're honestly a disaster, you've called me a racist in your post, not directly, even now not directly. It's funny that you can slate Luckhurst on here and declare him a racist but not actually say what you mean to me, because it's so easy to point out the fact that what you've said is literally, total bullshit.
Luckhursts tweets aren't nice, maybe he is a racist, more likely (to most of us here) just a dickhead, but none of us really know. You've seen fit to infer that myself and others are racist because we don't agree with your opinion that the comments are racist and make the author an immediate and eternal racist.
Total nonsense and I wouldn't normally waste my time, except that calling, or inferring that someone is a racist is actually a deeply deeply offensive thing, besides being completely untrue.
You should think on that whilst you make your way to my ignore list.
Also, you've been online numerous times and posting elsewhere, the reason isn't because you didn't have time, more likely you knew what you'd said was out of order and illeducated.
And people who use italics are bellends.
Yep. I'm sure there's loads of Salford City fans who think their United-supporting neighbours are glory-hunters.
It's all relative, though. If you're from Bangalore or Dublin the primary reason you support (or even heard of) MUFC is much more likely to be down to them winning loads of trophies club than if you were born in Salford, where there's a bigger chance that you're supporting the team because your dad did (and his dad before him and so on).
Like I keep saying, though, who cares?! There's so much insecurity about all of this. We may be (justifiably) perceived as having less of a connection to the club than local fans but why should that matter? I could not give less of a shit how I'm perceived by other fans of the club. I'm a glory-hunting OOT fan who goes to one or two games every season and sits in almost total silence throughout. My "top red" score is atrocious. I couldn't give a shit though. Life's too short to worry about stuff like that.
Exactly. When there's so little in it I can't really understand why some fans would try to portray themselves as superior fans or such. I've never had that attitude towards other fans when I was the one supporting a local team, either.
Aye, it just seems childish tbh. As I said a while back, there's insecurity on both sides. A grown man who tries to act superior to a subset of fans that don't tick his criteria for being "real fans" along with the furious response of some of those fans, who feel the need to kick off a twitter witch-hunt in response (and or rant and rave about how they're just as big a fan as anyone else and nobody can tell them any different). Playground antics all round.
Having said all that, I have a little sympathy with people who have been going to the game for years and think that the recent influx of tourists (like me!) who pay top dollar to sit in silence at games is having a negative affect on the atmosphere. Local fans are getting priced out and the people taking their seats aren't being as vocal in their support of the team. Hence the atmosphere at OT has gone to shit. That's definitely happening and it's a pity. I have no idea how to fix it though.
Which brings me back to Luckhurst's tweet about Asian's taking up the front two rows of a derby game. I think that was no more than a clumsily worded attempt to have a moan about this phenomenon.
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Yea well there's a reason you liked Beckham and Keane and not Sun Jihai or Sean Goater.
People need to stop being so insecure about this. I'm not questioning anyone's loyalty here or who is superior - just pointing out the obvious.
In many ways, OOTers have to make way more sacrifices to follow United than locals (travel more, stay up at ungodly hours etc.)
The reason has everything to do with them as individuals and nothing to do with United's success. No matter how obvious you believe your point is, it's still wrong. It's not a question of insecurity either, not sure why you'd think that. You made a point which I completely disagree with and I pointed it out.
Anyways, I'll end this discussion here because it's been done to death on the Caf and I've always found it downright strange how people think they're in any position to all to comment on why a stranger on the Internet supports a particular club or the reasons behind it. Just smacks of ignorance and arrogance mixed with a failure to see the full picture to me.
you're having a mare pal
Yeah, that I totally understand although it's not just tourists but also a changing demographic among local matchgoers. I fully support initiatives like ticket price freezes or safe standing, even though these measures would have little direct impact on me as someone who has never been to OT. Beyond that it doesn't seem like anyone has an idea how to fix the problem.
It's a tricky one. I'm all in favour of safe standing, if it will improve the atmosphere at games. Although I am also a lazy twat who hates standing for long periods. So, on a purely selfish level, if they made the whole stadium safe standing then that would be a disaster!
On the broader point, it's easy to mock Chinese fans watching games on their iPhones but their commitment to get there for that particular game (financially and in terms of time out of their working week) is massive. Much higher than someone living/working in Manchester (or popping over from Dublin)
But then you have the season ticket holders who go to every game. That's another level entirely. Surpassed only by fans who go to all of our aways. I've often heard OOT fans say mancunian fans are "lucky" to be in Manchester but even if I lived there I'm not sure I would commit to a season ticket at OT, never mind hauling my arse all round the country every weekend. Plus I'm quite fond of having commentary, a comfy couch and dozens of replays of every incident. To each their own, though, obviously.
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