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I'm a local supporter and I think his comments about out of towners are unfair. We're all allowed different opinions though, calling for him to be sacked is ott.Do some of you lot even know what racism is? Disgusting how such an important issue is being trivialized by butt-hurt transfer muppets.
I also don't understand why foreign or out-of-town fans are getting so upset by his comments - because let's be honest most of us support United because of their success and nothing else. Manchester United will always belong more to the people from Manchester. The hint is in the name.
The idea that residents of Manchester have a birth right to being a higher class of a fan is beyond ridiculous. There are many international supporters who would happily devote time and money to supporting their club more than some fans closer to the ground. Sam L. painting the foreigner support with the same brush may not be racism, but it's certainly an inaccurate sweeping statement that highlights his dickish nature.Do some of you lot even know what racism is? Disgusting how such an important issue is being trivialized by butt-hurt transfer muppets.
I also don't understand why foreign or out-of-town fans are getting so upset by his comments - because let's be honest most of us support United because of their success and nothing else. Manchester United will always belong more to the people from Manchester. The hint is in the name.
Yeah I haven't seen anything blantantly racist, lots of out of context quotes.The witch-hunt continues.
Still no evidence of racism, obviously but props to the latest hardworking tweet-miner for finding some unfunny and tasteless tweets, from five years ago. Keep it up, lads. You're doing the lord's work.
There's no birthright nor are they necessarily better fans but it's more likely they'll have a connection with the club as a Mancunian that OOTers will never have.The idea that residents of Manchester have a birth right to being a higher class of a fan is beyond ridiculous. There are many international supporters who would happily devote time and money to supporting their club more than some fans closer to the ground. Sam L. painting the foreigner support with the same brush may not be racism, but it's certainly an inaccurate sweeping statement that highlights his dickish nature.
I agree, but glazing over his tweets, he seems to affiliate foreigners as fanboys. I could have interpreted that wrongly but it's not an accurate or fair statement to make.There's no birthright nor are they necessarily better fans but it's more likely they'll have a connection with the club as a Mancunian that OOTers will never have.
So the outsiders shouldn't support Manchester United? Why are we still here even after the club hasn't had the same success which they had before SAF left? We could have been supporting Chelsea or Leicester or Real Madrid instead of supporting Manchester United but we aren't doing that. If you are defending Luckhurst, you are no different than him.I also don't understand why foreign or out-of-town fans are getting so upset by his comments - because let's be honest most of us support United because of their success and nothing else. Manchester United will always belong more to the people from Manchester. The hint is in the name.
Where did I say that? Nor did I say OOTers were fickle - I just said we started supporting the club because they were successful and not because they are our local team.So the outsiders shouldn't support Manchester United? Why are we still here even after the club hasn't had the same success which they had before SAF left? We could have been supporting Chelsea or Leicester or Real Madrid instead of supporting Manchester United but we aren't doing that. If you are defending Luckhurst, you are no different than him.
Yea seems to be a bit of an abrasive, sanctimonious cnut - but IMO that's half of twitter.I agree, but glazing over his tweets, he seems to affiliate foreigners as fanboys. I could have interpreted that wrongly but it's not an accurate or fair statement to make.
He's not racist, obviously. But he's certainly a dick. I also think he knows feck all too if you actually read his transfer related scoop.
Liked your posts do thought I'd free ride some forum respect!Where did I say that? Nor did I say OOTers were fickle - I just said we started supporting the club because they were successful and not because they are our local team.
Yea seems to be a bit of an abrasive, sanctimonious cnut - but IMO that's half of twitter.
Also why did you have to choose this username?!
Amazing that this needs to be said. The clue is in the "M" of the MUFC. I'm not mancunian and will never have the same connection with the club as local fans. C'est la vie. I made my peace with this fact a long time ago. I'd suggest every other OOT fan does the same.There's no birthright nor are they necessarily better fans but it's more likely they'll have a connection with the club as a Mancunian that OOTers will never have.
Speak for yourself instead of trying to become a mouth piece for millions of fans world over.Where did I say that? Nor did I say OOTers were fickle - I just said we started supporting the club because they were successful and not because they are our local team.
Who the feck cares about what you think and who are you to say how fan should feel about the club, OOT or not?Amazing that this needs to be said. The clue is in the "M" of the MUFC. I'm not mancunian and will never have the same connection with the club as local fans. C'est la vie. I made my peace with this fact a long time ago. I'd suggest every other OOT fan does the same.
Was he not the first one to get a whiff of the Matic story this week?I wouldnt want him as hes terrible at whatever hes supposed to be doing. He doesnt really break any stories and hes not professional at all.
Without wanting to defend a very poor, clickbait, twitter abusing mouthpiece. (barely a journalist) I would be remiss not to call out some serious nonsense in this thread.@EyeInTheSky for the third time.
*The meaning is obvious, your excuse for racially motivated bigotry is "well we've all done it/Think it". Speak for yourself. You are under the impression that everyone has this underlying contempt for other races just waiting to boil to the surface and somehow you decided it was a good idea to support this claim by saying "lift the lid on everyone's sins" which is merely a diversionary attempt to sweep this crap under the carpet. By your "logic", no one can be accused of anything because "we have all sinned".@EyeInTheSky **for the third time.
You're an good guy but in this thread you have lost it.Amazing that this needs to be said. The clue is in the "M" of the MUFC. I'm not mancunian and will never have the same connection with the club as local fans. C'est la vie. I made my peace with this fact a long time ago. I'd suggest every other OOT fan does the same.
Do you disagree with my post? Surely I'm just stating the bleeding obvious?`You're an good guy but in this thread you have lost it.
Luckhurst. Local lad brigade. Top red discussion.
Probabaly a bad day :-)
This is a diversion from the crux of the matter. Having already been shown how he has clearly demonstrated time and time again that he has a problem with Asians or "Foreigners" as he perceives them you decided to create a straw man by claiming that he only wants "Mancunians fans" to support the club. Well I guess he does not realise that Manchester does have Asians born and living in it alongside other races who are not "Foreigners" (as if being foreign is a bad thing)Amazing that this needs to be said. The clue is in the "M" of the MUFC. I'm not mancunian and will never have the same connection with the club as local fans. C'est la vie. I made my peace with this fact a long time ago. I'd suggest every other OOT fan does the same.
You'd never have heard of Ruud or Becks if they played for a third division team though. Chances are you wouldn't have had any interest in them even if they played for a poor team in the English top flight. There's nothing wrong with falling in love with successful club, though. It's natural. Especially for kids. It does make you, literally, a glory-hunter but who cares? You've probably supported the club long enough by now that the original reason you fell in love is no longer relevant. You'd still support the club even if we were relegated. Being a football fan is a bit like being married. It's a commitment that should last long after the looks have started to fade!It's amazing how people associate all foreign fans as basically 'Glory hunters'. Personally, I fell in love in MUFC due to Beckham and Van Nistelrooy. Plain and Simple. Hell I didn't understand the game then, hardly knew how the league works as in how is the winner decided as hadn't watched a league competition. Loved the logo, and loved RVN's and Beckham's hairstyle and as a 10 year old, I fell in love due to these things! And I'm pretty sure, half the foreign fans who became Utd fans at around that age, would have a similar story
Yeah, that wasn't me. If you're going to throw round accusations of creating straw men you should at least address them to the right person. Fairly sure Luckhurst isn't actually mancunian anyway. Didn't someone say he was originally from Kent?This is a diversion from the crux of the matter. Having already been shown how he has clearly demonstrated time and time again that he has a problem with Asians or "Foreigners" as he perceives them you decided to create a straw man by claiming that he only wants "Mancunians fans" to support the club. Well I guess he does not realise that Manchester does have Asians born and living in it alongside other races who are not "Foreigners" (as if being foreign is a bad thing)
He is an utter cretin who should realise that the very reason that United are where they are and are able to be the Globa powerhouse that it is has everything to do with the fact that it has Global/Foreign support both in financial/sponsorship via fans across the world.
True.Who the feck cares about what you think and who are you to say how fan should feel about the club, OOT or not?
It honestly doesn't matter what anybody thinks of what connection I should feel for man utd and I sure won't care about some sanctimonious Dorothy like you or wumminator lecturing me about how I won't ever real rivalry with Liverpool. If you made your peace, awesome.. shove it and don't think for others.
Exactly!!Who the feck cares about what you think and who are you to say how fan should feel about the club, OOT or not?
It honestly doesn't matter what anybody thinks of what connection I should feel for man utd and I sure won't care about some sanctimonious Dorothy like you or wumminator lecturing me about how I won't ever real rivalry with Liverpool. If you made your peace, awesome.. shove it and don't think for others.
Doesn't the same apply to local fans though? If United had always been a third division team with no history of success most of their parents/grandparents would have supported a different team. There's a reason United have far more supporters than City in Manchester.You'd never have heard of Ruud or Becks if they played for a third division team though. Chances are you wouldn't have had any interest in them even if they played for a poor team in the English top flight. There's nothing wrong with falling in love with successful club, though. It's natural. Especially for kids. It does make you, literally, a glory-hunter but who cares? You've probably supported the club long enough by now that the original reason you fell in love is no longer relevant. You'd still support the club even if we were relegated. Being a football fan is a bit like being married. It's a commitment that should last long after the looks have started to fade!
My point was that a twitter post or comment can be rude, offensive, crass, distasteful and a great many other things, it can have racial undertones, overtones, insinuations or anything else, however the hypocrisy in branding the author an ironclad racist is so painfully obvious.Without wanting to defend a very poor, clickbait, twitter abusing mouthpiece. (barely a journalist) I would be remiss not to call out some serious nonsense in this thread.
It's increasingly easy for people to be labelled racist with wanton disregard for the truthfulness or impact of that statement. Luckhurst IS A RACIST. THESE TWEETS ARE RACIST, HE IS, WAS AND ALWAYS WILL BE AN UNEQUIVOCAL UNREPENTANT RACIST.
Who on God's green earth are you to draw such conclusions from 4 dubious tweets out of thousands?
*I'm sure you've never made a questionably racial quip, had a problem with a certain kind of person and then generalised about a certain race, ethnicity, creed, culture or otherwise. I'd love to lift the lid on all your sins so the good (or not) people of Redcafe can judge you for all your missteps.
Goes for more than few in this thread, as far as I can see.
Oh but he's in the public eye etc etc.
*The meaning is obvious, your excuse for racially motivated bigotry is "well we've all done it/Think it". Speak for yourself. You are under the impression that everyone has this underlying contempt for other races just waiting to boil to the surface and somehow you decided it was a good idea to support this claim by saying "lift the lid on everyone's sins" which is merely a diversionary attempt to sweep this crap under the carpet. By your "logic", no one can be accused of anything because "we have all sinned".
**Sorry didn't know you were paying me by the hour. I came back as quick as I could. Looks like 3rd times the charm...
Yep. I'm sure there's loads of Salford City fans who think their United-supporting neighbours are glory-hunters.Doesn't the same apply to local fans though? If United had always been a third division team with no history of success most of their parents/grandparents would have supported a different team. There's a reason United have far more supporters than City in Manchester.
Exactly. When there's so little in it I can't really understand why some fans would try to portray themselves as superior fans or such. I've never had that attitude towards other fans when I was the one supporting a local team, either.Yep. I'm sure there's loads of Salford City fans who think their United-supporting neighbours are glory-hunters.
It's all relative, though. If you're from Bangalore or Dublin the primary reason you support (or even heard of) MUFC is much more likely to be down to them winning loads of trophies club than if you were born in Salford, where there's a bigger chance that you're supporting the team because your dad did (and his dad before him and so on).
Like I keep saying, though, who cares?! There's so much insecurity about all of this. We may be (justifiably) perceived as having less of a connection to the club than local fans but why should that matter? I could not give less of a shit how I'm perceived by other fans of the club. Why would I?
Aye, it just seems childish tbh. As I said a while back, there's insecurity on both sides. A grown man who tries to act superior to a subset of fans that don't tick his criteria for being "real fans" along with the furious response of some of those fans, who feel the need to kick off a twitter witch-hunt in response (and or rant and rave about how they're just as big a fan as anyone else and nobody can tell them any different). Playground antics all round.Exactly. When there's so little in it I can't really understand why some fans would try to portray themselves as superior fans or such. I've never had that attitude towards other fans when I was the one supporting a local team, either.
Yea well there's a reason you liked Beckham and Keane and not Sun Jihai or Sean Goater.Speak for yourself instead of trying to become a mouth piece for millions of fans world over.
When it comes to me for instance, I fell in love with the club because of Beckham and Keane. Being a young kid at a time when Internet was in a very nascent stage and not being an avid reader at that age anyways, it wasn't till a good couple of years later that I found out about the success the club had had. Till then, I'd just watch matches when I could, root for the team and that'd be it.
The reason has everything to do with them as individuals and nothing to do with United's success. No matter how obvious you believe your point is, it's still wrong. It's not a question of insecurity either, not sure why you'd think that. You made a point which I completely disagree with and I pointed it out.Yea well there's a reason you liked Beckham and Keane and not Sun Jihai or Sean Goater.
People need to stop being so insecure about this. I'm not questioning anyone's loyalty here or who is superior - just pointing out the obvious.
In many ways, OOTers have to make way more sacrifices to follow United than locals (travel more, stay up at ungodly hours etc.)
you're having a mare palMy point was that a twitter post or comment can be rude, offensive, crass, distasteful and a great many other things, it can have racial undertones, overtones, insinuations or anything else, however the hypocrisy in branding the author an ironclad racist is so painfully obvious.
I have not made any excuse, I think the tweets are extremely poor and I think the journo is a dick, It doesn't make him a racist and I wouldn't take to Redcafe, twitter or wherever else to furiously label him as such knowing next to nothing.
I don't have any such impression, I'm merely capable of acknowledging that we all say stupid things occasionally, sometimes because it's unabashed racism granted, sometimes it's because we're just an idiot, other times because we think it sounds funny or cool, sometimes to impress a certain person, sometimes because we're in a bad mood, other times for very little reason at all. It's human nature and your inability to accept that simple fact of life tells the story about the worth of this conversation.
You're honestly a disaster, you've called me a racist in your post, not directly, even now not directly. It's funny that you can slate Luckhurst on here and declare him a racist but not actually say what you mean to me, because it's so easy to point out the fact that what you've said is literally, total bullshit.
Luckhursts tweets aren't nice, maybe he is a racist, more likely (to most of us here) just a dickhead, but none of us really know. You've seen fit to infer that myself and others are racist because we don't agree with your opinion that the comments are racist and make the author an immediate and eternal racist.
Total nonsense and I wouldn't normally waste my time, except that calling, or inferring that someone is a racist is actually a deeply deeply offensive thing, besides being completely untrue.
You should think on that whilst you make your way to my ignore list.
Also, you've been online numerous times and posting elsewhere, the reason isn't because you didn't have time, more likely you knew what you'd said was out of order and illeducated.
And people who use italics are bellends.
Yeah, that I totally understand although it's not just tourists but also a changing demographic among local matchgoers. I fully support initiatives like ticket price freezes or safe standing, even though these measures would have little direct impact on me as someone who has never been to OT. Beyond that it doesn't seem like anyone has an idea how to fix the problem.Having said all that, I have a little sympathy with people who have been going to the game for years and think that the recent influx of tourists (like me!) who pay top dollar to sit in silence at games is having a negative affect on the atmosphere. Local fans are getting priced out and the people taking their seats aren't being as vocal in their support of the team. Hence the atmosphere at OT has gone to shit. That's definitely happening and it's a pity. I have no idea how to fix it though.
It's a tricky one. I'm all in favour of safe standing, if it will improve the atmosphere at games. Although I am also a lazy twat who hates standing for long periods. So, on a purely selfish level, if they made the whole stadium safe standing then that would be a disaster!Yeah, that I totally understand although it's not just tourists but also a changing demographic among local matchgoers. I fully support initiatives like ticket price freezes or safe standing, even though these measures would have little direct impact on me as someone who has never been to OT. Beyond that it doesn't seem like anyone has an idea how to fix the problem.