Saudis taking over Newcastle | Maybe not

[RUCK4444]

This. I'd be happy with being a perennial mid table slogger if the alternative was to get into bed with the Saudis.

Chelsea and Abramovich was one thing and we knew back then it would spark something like this, but now we're at the point of allowing the most repugnant regimes on the planet into the league. The government and the media need to step up because it's clear the league doesn't care how much blood is on your banknotes.

W.T.F?? Why on Earth. Just why.

You would happily let everything this great club has achieved be resigned to the history books because of some pathetic notion that by our club being owned by bad people makes you somehow guilty by association??

The whole notion, as I say, is pathetic and not grounded in anything that justifies this stance on the topic.

You cannot influence who owns this club, you are not appointing them yourself
You have no say in it,
It doesn’t reflect on you,
You don’t share their beliefs or traditions,
You are not a member of a regime

Is that sinking in? That’s the same for every fan of every club in the land.
Do we look at City fans and think of them as being complicit in whatever their shady owners have done? Do. we. feck.

Sorry for ranting and it’s obviously not just you I’m aiming this at but the whole feckin moral stance nonsense is just that, a feckin nonsense.

 

[redshaw]

The top six and this rotation of CL spots wil be even tougher once Newcastle join in.

 

[devilish]

W.T.F?? Why on Earth. Just why.

You would happily let everything this great club has achieved be resigned to the history books because of some pathetic notion that by our club being owned by bad people makes you somehow guilty by association??

The whole notion, as I say, is pathetic and not grounded in anything that justifies this stance on the topic.

You cannot influence who owns this club, you are not appointing them yourself
You have no say in it,
It doesn’t reflect on you,
You don’t share their beliefs or traditions,
You are not a member of a regime

Is that sinking in? That’s the same for every fan of every club in the land.
Do we look at City fans and think of them as being complicit in whatever their shady owners have done? Do. we. feck.

Sorry for ranting and it’s obviously not just you I’m aiming this at but the whole feckin moral stance nonsense is just that, a feckin nonsense.

We rather have owners blood sucking our club then having owners who contribute to it

 

[Brightonian]

That's the whole point of why the Saudi's were the ONLY viable option for United, an owner not seeking financial return. They pretty much don't exist. That's why we are stuck with the Yankee vampires.

I hope each and every one of the morally sound bunch on here enjoy every moment of the money sucking stewardship of the Glazers over the next 10 years or so.

What Newcastle can do with Saudi owners is frightening. They have a much stronger following and match going fanbase in a single club major city. That is an excellent starting point, much stronger than what City had as a comparison.

A few seasons to get into Europe, money rolls in for TV rights, few more seasons and the sky is the limit. Especially if the FFP rules are relaxed for clubs in the aftermath of COVID_19.

Feck me that's the perfect time to buy them.

Honestly who gives a shit? I would rather be relegated than support a club that has anything to do with the Saudis.

I'm a gay man. If I'd been born in that country, the state would kill me. Apologies if that objection is too 'morally sound' for you.

The 'money-sucking stewardship of the Glazers'. Have a word with yourself.

 

[Strelok]

Frankly as a new nega club they need the big signings, the statements of intent.

Sanchez is a world renowned international star, but they should also target established England international, and premier league winner Phil Jones as well as up and coming star, the young Jesse Lingard.

As a club we have to know our place now. Newcastle will be taking our best and brightest.

You forgot the best brazillian footballer ever

 

[pratyush_utd]

I think Saudi's investment is bit different than Mancity. Most of the companies that they have invested in, they have looked for making profit out of it. I feel it's more of investment in different portfolios than whitewashing their image. Saudi Arabia is also extremely different politically than Qatar or UAE.

 

[reddevilchennai]

You forgot the best brazillian footballer ever

Anderson the best brazilian footballer ever has retired mate!

If you mean the current best brazilian footballer, I don't mind selling him for a bid of 50m

 

[crossy1686]

Honestly who gives a shit? I would rather be relegated than support a club that has anything to do with the Saudis.

I'm a gay man. If I'd been born in that country, the state would kill me. Apologies if that objection is too 'morally sound' for you.

The 'money-sucking stewardship of the Glazers'. Have a word with yourself.

This is what people just don’t get. Selling your soul so someone stops taking roughly £20m a year out of the club just isn’t fecking worth it. Anyone with any form of moral compass can see why the Saudis owning United is a travesty, and would cause a lot of fans, such as myself to seriously consider my support of the club past that point.

As unpopular as it is, the Glazers haven’t done that fecking bad at all. They’ve overseen one of our most successful periods ever, and currently our most unsuccessful period in modern times. They continue to spend money on the club and allow funds for signings and everyone at the club wants to get the club back to where it belongs.

Just because the current model doesn’t match some people’s Football Manager save’s we apparently need blood money and £1b invested yesterday. Patience is a fecking virtue people.

 

[Strelok]

Anderson the best brazilian footballer ever has retired mate!

If you mean the current best brazilian footballer, I don't mind selling him for a bid of 50m

50m?

No way, you gotta be kidding. 100m and we may start talking okay?

 

[reddevilchennai]

I think Saudi's investment is bit different than Mancity. Most of the companies that they have invested in, they have looked for making profit out of it. I feel it's more of investment in different portfolios than whitewashing their image. Saudi Arabia is also extremely different politically than Qatar or UAE.

They are worse than Qatar or UAE. I have worked in UAE, Qatar and Kuwait.

UAE > Qatar > Kuwait.
I have felt UAE to be quite liberal when compared to other countries in the middle East. I got few opportunities to go to Saudi but I was not interested because of their state policy.

I have heard that if you had porno on your mobile, the moral police of Saudi's can take your mobile and break it and arrest you. Even non muslim women needs to wear burqa. Saudi is the most strict country in the middle East. No alcohol, no freedom for women, no human rights. I don't want these states to come and spoil EPL.

City did the worst to EPL, PSG had turned french league to a monopoly. Saudi's are much worse than the UAE and Qataris and they can bribe anyone to get things done. FFP will go into gutters. Soon EPL will be doomed. Genuine clubs like United can't compete with these sugar daddy clubs.
Hope FA take some action and prevent these kind of states buying EPL clubs.

 

[11101]

W.T.F?? Why on Earth. Just why.

You would happily let everything this great club has achieved be resigned to the history books because of some pathetic notion that by our club being owned by bad people makes you somehow guilty by association??

The whole notion, as I say, is pathetic and not grounded in anything that justifies this stance on the topic.

You cannot influence who owns this club, you are not appointing them yourself
You have no say in it,
It doesn’t reflect on you,
You don’t share their beliefs or traditions,
You are not a member of a regime

Is that sinking in? That’s the same for every fan of every club in the land.
Do we look at City fans and think of them as being complicit in whatever their shady owners have done? Do. we. feck.

Sorry for ranting and it’s obviously not just you I’m aiming this at but the whole feckin moral stance nonsense is just that, a feckin nonsense.

I personally wouldn't have anything to do with the Saudis or any of their businesses, and I don't want to support a club that does either.

Football is a game. There are bigger things in life. I have no interest in contributing to the profile or revenue of a vehicle that exists to whitewash an atrocious regime's image.

 

[Brightonian]

This is what people just don’t get. Selling your soul so someone stops taking roughly £20m a year out of the club just isn’t fecking worth it. Anyone with any form of moral compass can see why the Saudis owning United is a travesty, and would cause a lot of fans, such as myself to seriously consider my support of the club past that point.

As unpopular as it is, the Glazers haven’t done that fecking bad at all. They’ve overseen one of our most successful periods ever, and currently our most unsuccessful period in modern times. They continue to spend money on the club and allow funds for signings and everyone at the club wants to get the club back to where it belongs.

Just because the current model doesn’t match some people’s Football Manager save’s we apparently need blood money and £1b invested yesterday. Patience is a fecking virtue people.

Thank you! I wouldn't endorse but could maybe somewhat understand the attitude if we had genuinely bad owner. But don't we have the second highest net spend in the league over the last five years or so, behind only City? If we've spent that money badly (or, in my opinion, we've just spent too much of it and neglected to ever try and actually build on the talent we already have), that falls at Woodward's door, not the owners.

 

[pratyush_utd]

They are worse than Qatar or UAE. I have worked in UAE, Qatar and Kuwait.

UAE > Qatar > Kuwait.
I have felt UAE to be quite liberal when compared to other countries in the middle East. I got few opportunities to go to Saudi but I was not interested because of their state policy.

I have heard that if you had porno on your mobile, the moral police of Saudi's can take your mobile and break it and arrest you. Even non muslim women needs to wear burqa. Saudi is the most strict country in the middle East. No alcohol, no freedom for women, no human rights. I don't want these states to come and spoil EPL.

City did the worst to EPL, PSG had turned french league to a monopoly. Saudi's are much worse than the UAE and Qataris and they can bribe anyone to get things done. FFP will go into gutters. Soon EPL will be doomed. Genuine clubs like United can't compete with these sugar daddy clubs.
Hope FA take some action and prevent these kind of states buying EPL clubs.

I wasn't commenting on who is worse.

It's more of an investment than plaything which is Mancity or PSG. Saudi fund has huge disinvestment target and this seems more in line with that. Not sure MBS is even involved, it's all guess work right now.

 

[Logit]

It's won't be surprising if the Saudis go for the cheaper option of purchasing Newcastle than the $3-4bn required to purchase United. They've been burned by a few investments lately, see the performance of Softbank's Vision Fund 1. Investing in Newcastle gives more credibility to this as a rejuvenation project than a marketing exercise had they bought United and the ROI is much higher for a sleeping giant like Newcastle than a club that has consistency generated enormous amounts of cash.

All of this could prove irrelevant anyway as the social contract between the citizens of Saudi Arabia and the royal family is on shaky ground. Neither the medium-term or long-term outlook for oil prices is favourable, demand in the global economy has collapsed and countries are wanting to reduce their dependence on fossil fuels.

No matter what may otherwise be claimed, states buying football clubs is for all purposes a vanity project that will ultimately destroy what makes the sport so appealing in the first place.

 

[Garry Buck]

Be interesting to see what players they go for. The ‘star’ names what come to mind are Coutinho, Bale, Aubameyang, Kane, Mbappé etc.

 

[PoTMS]

Wonder if they would take Sanchez off our hands?

 

[DomesticTadpole]

Be interesting to see what players they go for. The ‘star’ names what come to mind are Coutinho, Bale, Aubameyang, Kane, Mbappé etc.

Just because they can afford them does not mean they want to go there, the first big decision they will have is the manager.

 

[lukepowell1988]

Wonder if they would take Sanchez off our hands?

Wishful thinking that.

 

[Classical Mechanic]

There’s no guarantee they’ll do a City here. They’re having Amanda Stavley face it up and have the Rueben brothers investing too, might be PR but they might actually want ROI on this investment.

 

[11101]

Investing in Newcastle gives more credibility to this as a rejuvenation project than a marketing exercise had they bought United and the ROI is much higher for a sleeping giant like Newcastle than a club that has consistency generated enormous amounts of cash.

People keep saying this but really? I know they have particularly vociferous fans but they haven't won so much as a raffle in nearly 70 years and they were hardly 1970s Ajax even then. They're more like in a coma than asleep.

 

[GGT]

Liverpool has decent owners who understand football. We don't. With the Glazers asking ridiculous money for our club we're truly stuck with these blood suckers as no one with an ounce of common sense would buy us at that price.

It is not 3 weeks since Liverpool owners announced they were going to ponce off the Government.

 

[Garry Buck]

Just because they can afford them does not mean they want to go there, the first big decision they will have is the manager.

Well the players I mentioned above apart from the obvious would only be for the short term. Will just be interesting to see what happens. I think they will give Euce a chance but with Potch available, I can’t see it lasting long.

 

[RUCK4444]

Thank you! I wouldn't endorse but could maybe somewhat understand the attitude if we had genuinely bad owner. But don't we have the second highest net spend in the league over the last five years or so, behind only City? If we've spent that money badly (or, in my opinion, we've just spent too much of it and neglected to ever try and actually build on the talent we already have), that falls at Woodward's door, not the owners.

We are chained by them and you can't see it. #SilentDomination

Imagine for a second an owner that seeks no financial return, allows United the juggernaut that it is to spend every. single. penny we generate on the squad and facilities.

That in a nutshell is exactly what City, Real Madrid, Barcelona, Bayern all benefit from. If you can't see the benefit in that setup for a club of our standing in the game then it's a pointless discussion.

Whatever moral stance you have on it makes zero difference. You aren't protesting here, your willing your club to edge towards obscurity when in reality the Saudi's owning a club of our size with all the media coverage it attracts would only serve to improve their behaviour and limit atrocities (as I've pointed out previously.)
Integration with western culture is the only way to make them look introspectively at their traditions and atrocities and change them for the better.

Or of course we can all sit in our armchairs on football forums patting each other on the back for sharing a better outlook on life whilst wagging our fingers at nations who don't yet share our outlook, meanwhile our club continues to be shackled unlike other clubs of our size in Europe. The latter brings nothing to the party, it's a backward mindset.

 

[DomesticTadpole]

Well the players I mentioned above apart from the obvious would only be for the short term. Will just be interesting to see what happens. I think they will give Euce a chance but with Potch available, I can’t see it lasting long.

If the season finishes that will be Brucie's audition. They will want a big draw manager to draw big name players.

 

[sun_tzu]

Wonder if they would take Sanchez off our hands?

Or sanchez's hands off ... for stealing a living from us

unless something changes they have to operate under FFP then i dont think they will be able to go straight to splaffing £300k a week on wages for a player
If something changes then they have the money to straight for Mbappe / Neymars / Haland / Sanchos
If they did want to spend crazy wages on a probably past it player then surely Bale would be a better buy than sanchez

in short no - we are going to be stuck with sanchez next season

 

[rotherham_red]

Liverpool has decent owners who understand football. We don't. With the Glazers asking ridiculous money for our club we're truly stuck with these blood suckers as no one with an ounce of common sense would buy us at that price.

FSG have the exact same business plan as the Glazers. Stop talking bollocks.

 

[devilish]

FSG have the exact same business plan as the Glazers. Stop talking bollocks.

Are you really suggesting that they know what as much as their Liverpool counter parts do? Also had Liverpool owners drained a looping 1b out of their club?

 

[devilish]

It is not 3 weeks since Liverpool owners announced they were going to ponce off the Government.

A mistake that they ratified for. Our owners had siphoned 1B out of the club. They turned United from one of the top clubs in the world to well this United ie a club who would be thrilled with a top 4 position

 

[tenpoless]

The Saudis : "Hold my Halal wine"

 

[LVGSdive]

Ashley has played a blinder here. Perfect time for any owner to get out.

 

[kettledrumhamster]

W.T.F?? Why on Earth. Just why.

You would happily let everything this great club has achieved be resigned to the history books because of some pathetic notion that by our club being owned by bad people makes you somehow guilty by association??

The whole notion, as I say, is pathetic and not grounded in anything that justifies this stance on the topic.

You cannot influence who owns this club, you are not appointing them yourself
You have no say in it,
It doesn’t reflect on you,
You don’t share their beliefs or traditions,
You are not a member of a regime

Is that sinking in? That’s the same for every fan of every club in the land.
Do we look at City fans and think of them as being complicit in whatever their shady owners have done? Do. we. feck.

Sorry for ranting and it’s obviously not just you I’m aiming this at but the whole feckin moral stance nonsense is just that, a feckin nonsense.

It's so depressing to share a club with people who think that morals are nonsense.

Kicking a ball about is nonsense pal, turning a blind eye to the sportswashing of a murderous regime is nonsense.

Believing in a principle is anything but.

 

[Inigo Montoya]

The Saudis : "Hold my Halal wine"

You Can Call Me Halal

 

[Ramshock]

It's so depressing to share a club with people who think that morals are nonsense.

Kicking a ball about is nonsense pal, turning a blind eye to the sportswashing of a murderous regime is nonsense.

Believing in a principle is anything but.

It will be okay in 100 years. After all thats how the brits have whitewashed the fact they killed and dispersed millions for their glorious empire. "It doesnt count cos that were a long time ago"

 

[Sandikan]

Be interesting to see what players they go for. The ‘star’ names what come to mind are Coutinho, Bale, Aubameyang, Kane, Mbappé etc.

As Man City found, in the short term, no star names will go there.

 

[RUCK4444]

It's so depressing to share a club with people who think that morals are nonsense.

Kicking a ball about is nonsense pal, turning a blind eye to the sportswashing of a murderous regime is nonsense.

Believing in a principle is anything but.

We all believe in these principles pal. The difference being, as I've pointed out time and again, integration with western society is the only way to effect any sort of change.

They are making slow progress but progress nonetheless, further western ties would only help aid this.

The club you support has no bearing on your moral compass, just the same as your moral compass doesn't have any effect the club you support or the people who own it lad.

 

[RUCK4444]

Ashley has played a blinder here. Perfect time for any owner to get out.

Perfect time for rich owners to get in i'd say. Skint clubs and owners, players contracts running out left right and centre, financial muscle will be more effective than ever.

 

[Adisa]

Interesting that you would buy a club in the current climate.

I don't think the fundamentals of football are going to change much.

 

[passing-wind]

It will be okay in 100 years. After all thats how the brits have whitewashed the fact they killed and dispersed millions for their glorious empire. "It doesnt count cos that were a long time ago"

It's pretty much this sentimentality that holds most fans to be be hypocritical. Giving the Saudis a certain reputation while having no relevant knowledge of our own country's dark history. Fundamentally it won't matter because people's opinions will fade into obscurity with the progression of time. If Newcastle will spend millions per season well done to them.

 

[Garry Buck]

As Man City found, in the short term, no star names will go there.

I think out of that list at least 1 will go.

As Man City found, in the short term, no star names will go there.

I think out of that list at least 1 will go. They certainly need a striker what clean get them a lot of goals.

 

[Murder on Zidane's Floor]

Honestly who gives a shit? I would rather be relegated than support a club that has anything to do with the Saudis.

I'm a gay man. If I'd been born in that country, the state would kill me. Apologies if that objection is too 'morally sound' for you.

The 'money-sucking stewardship of the Glazers'. Have a word with yourself.

Here here, this in a nutshell. Bit different if the owner is a bit of a rich scally but when the owner still stones people like a medieval tribe, kind of hard to promote sportsmanship, LGBTQ rights and women's football.