Scott McTominay vs Declan Rice

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That isnt McTominay's specialist role and no he hasn't been very good sitting in front of the defense. Ole has said they believe he is best in a more offensive role like against Wolves.

Rice is a better ball winner, senses danger around him better and is a good passer with both feet. Better than we've seen from McTominay.

McTominay has done well for a young player coming in with difficult circumstances, but he has lots of room for improvement in a holding role especially defensively. He has shown that he has something and can compete for a place in the team but he absolutely hasnt shown that he's a good shield in front of the defense
MCTominay played the lone holding role against Liverpool, Crystal palace, Southampton and did quite well. He was terrific against Liverpool and Crystal palace most especially. So yes, he can play the holding midfield role quite well. One thing I would give him is his intelligence and positioning discipline. And I disagreed with the opinion that Declan Rice is a better passer than MCTominay. Both don't seem to have the range of passing nor offers creativity in the middle. They're no different from each other in this department eventhough I saw MCTominay making some vertical passes in between the lines, albeit short passes against Crystal palace. I would prefer we stick with MCTominay and continue to groom him. I bet if MCTominay was a regular for a small EPL club like Declan, we would all be swarming around him like bees as well.

McTominay isn't a DM at all right now so not really comparable.

Honestly Though idI like to see Scott continue to do well we must sign players to keep him out of the first xi if we are to be a top squad.

Not saying that is Rice as I've only watched him maybe 5 times but he does seem a lot better than both Scott and Matic at CDM.
Declan isn't better than Matic. He doesn't even have Matic's range of passing and spatial awareness to begin with. Matic at his best is no different from a withdrawn playmaking no 6 such as De Rossi. But unfortunately, his legs are not what it used to be. As for MCTominay, we don't know his ceiling yet. From what he's shown, Declan isn't better than him. MCTominay has gone up against world-class Verratti and has done well compared to Declan who's still a local champion. I learnt he even had a poor performance in his last match.
 

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I think McTominay has a class about him. He's got athleticism, a nice touch, and a quick mind by the looks of things... He needs to play games and be given responsibility if he's to improve though - I don't think there's any point in keeping a developing player on the bench.

Tough to know what's best for him and the club really..
 

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Ok so for one he is a DM. He is a combative ball winner. So that's two things you can already look at. Then you look at his height and then consider he has a simple game on the ball. You can see the comparisons between him and Scott. You can say Scott isn't a DM but he has similar qualities. That's why I said he could be a player in the same mould as Rice.
I don't know that he is a "combative ball winner" really. Granted he's not weak in the tackle and I haven't seen loads of him but he looks more like a guy who positions himself well to me. And I think he is very simple with how he uses it but, much like McTominay, that's not how I'd hope either of them end up. Yong and lernin, no mould just yet.
 

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The feck is going on here?

Rice is average, Verratti is worth £50m and Mctominay is the English Busquets?

You're all on crack.
 

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I don't know that he is a "combative ball winner" really. Granted he's not weak in the tackle and I haven't seen loads of him but he looks more like a guy who positions himself well to me. And I think he is very simple with how he uses it but, much like McTominay, that's not how I'd hope either of them end up. Yong and lernin, no mould just yet.
Rice is joint 6th in terms of tackles made in the premier league...
 

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Rice is joint 6th in terms of tackles made in the premier league...
Does tackling people automatically make you combative? Maybe it does, I don't know. Either way, if he's the finished the article I'm unimpressed. Luckily he's not.
 

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Does tackling people automatically make you combative? Maybe it does, I don't know. Either way, if he's the finished the article I'm unimpressed. Luckily he's not.
You don't have to be a finished article to be a type of player...
 

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McTominay has done alright but I dont think he'll ever be more than a squad player at best. Rice looks like a very promising young player, though how far he gets remains to be seen. We do have a good history of buying players who go through at West Ham though.
 

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You don't have to be a finished article to be a type of player...
But your type of player can change so what's the point in remarking on it. McTominay for example was a midget no.10 at one point, now he's a physical DM apparently. We'll see, it's up to him how he develops.
 

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I think we definitely have to sign him. We need to try and sure up the midfield a bit and most west ham games I've watched he's probably been their best player.
 

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But your type of player can change so what's the point in remarking on it. McTominay for example was a midget no.10 at one point, now he's a physical DM apparently. We'll see, it's up to him how he develops.
You can change in height but relatively you stop at a certain age and you can see what type of player Rice is... I don't know how this is even a debate.
 

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Other question as many stated that Rice is better: would McT be a better player if he could have played in a weaker team and therefore having more gametime in PL?

As the OP said, I don't know much about Rice but McT gets plenty of gametime at United. Wouldn't he also start more games when playing for WHU or another midtable team?
 

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Hard to compare as they are different types of player really.

Funnily enough, they'd probably do very well together with a Kante/Matic sort of relationship.

I think United need to decide on what type of midfield 3 they want to play going forward before deciding on who to buy (i.e. will it be a City style 3 with an Anchor and 2 more attacking minded players, a more blended approach of all-round midfielders similar to Liverpool, or a deep-lying play-maker, ball-winner, attacking midfielder option like Chelsea). Rice would fit one some systems better than McTominay and vice-versa.
 

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Mctominay played ok against wolves and PSG and showed some character, but he has been pretty useless up until that. We cannot kid ourselves he would only be a squad player and is not going to take us to the next level. We need 2 new midfielders, Ndombele from Lyon would be a good start.
 

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McTom isn't particularly good. Rice is. they're also very different players. bit of a pointless thread really.
 

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MCTominay played the lone holding role against Liverpool, Crystal palace, Southampton and did quite well. He was terrific against Liverpool and Crystal palace most especially. So yes, he can play the holding midfield role quite well. One thing I would give him is his intelligence and positioning discipline. And I disagreed with the opinion that Declan Rice is a better passer than MCTominay. Both don't seem to have the range of passing nor offers creativity in the middle. They're no different from each other in this department eventhough I saw MCTominay making some vertical passes in between the lines, albeit short passes against Crystal palace. I would prefer we stick with MCTominay and continue to groom him. I bet if MCTominay was a regular for a small EPL club like Declan, we would all be swarming around him like bees as well.



Declan isn't better than Matic. He doesn't even have Matic's range of passing and spatial awareness to begin with. Matic at his best is no different from a withdrawn playmaking no 6 such as De Rossi. But unfortunately, his legs are not what it used to be. As for MCTominay, we don't know his ceiling yet. From what he's shown, Declan isn't better than him. MCTominay has gone up against world-class Verratti and has done well compared to Declan who's still a local champion. I learnt he even had a poor performance in his last match.
He ran around, in fact never stopped running. Up and down across small 5-10 yard spots. He didnt know where he was positioning himself he just had a basic general idea and was keeping himself moving so he could fix his position.

Rice has a good idea of where to be already.
 

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Rice is a much better player at this point and is playing week in week out. Mctominay still hasn’t really established a role/position and his lack of ability on the ball is a problem in terms of playing regularly.

We are already short of players who can pass and /or carry the ball to a high level and he is lacking in both areas so that gives him a problem. Maybe there is more to come with confidence but not convinced. However as a squad player to do a job in few roles he maybe has more of a future than previously thought, think he has already justified offloading Fellaini.
 

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I think Longstaff at Newcastle is going to be better than both of them
 

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Mctomminay is the ideal replacement for Herrera. Plays for the badge, great attitude with next to no talent on the ball.

He's a great squad option
 

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You can change in height but relatively you stop at a certain age and you can see what type of player Rice is... I don't know how this is even a debate.
If you really think this is all Rice will ever be then I have no idea why you want to sign him. He will be a much better player in the future.
 

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This thread reminds me of the thread where everyone said Januzaj was better than Sterling...
 

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If you really think this is all Rice will ever be then I have no idea why you want to sign him. He will be a much better player in the future.
When did I say that’s all he’d ever be...
 

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In the few games I saw Rice playing I‘ve been fairly impressed with with him.
He might be worth a punt...

But both are young and capable too improve...
In the meantime wouldn‘t it be nice if fans support the young players and accept the fact that they will have bad games from time to time?
 

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If the idea of signing Rice is for the midfield then your fecking up already. Declan Rice is obviously a centerback.
 

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This has jack rodwell written all over it. I fear for this club....if scott mctominay and declan rice is seen as a future part of our midfield i dont think we will ever become a top 5 team in the world for a very long time. We need to be signing top class players like city/barca/real madrid does every year
 

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:lol: See, it's obvious what type of player he is.
I haven’t read through the thread so not sure if you were being sarcastic:lol:

My apologizes if you were actually agreeing.

But I mean ya he even stated his role model and idol was John terry so and his game is based off of his tactical awareness on the pitch and the interceptions he makes he does not wow you with any sort of technical ability. He wins the ball back and passes it to the side and he turns as slow as a semi truck. As a CDM he won’t make it at the top level but as a centerback I think their is a potential world class player there.
 

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Mctomminay is the ideal replacement for Herrera. Plays for the badge, great attitude with next to no talent on the ball.

He's a great squad option
He is nothing like Herrera as of now except for their workrate and giving 100% always
 

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To be fair I seen the picture of McTomminay after his bootcamp, he's certainly working hard.